is there ANY other ECU that can run a 3rotor with split timing besides the alleged E11?

I don't want to support this company any more. Their customer service is so sub-par that it makes me sick. their "handling of incidents" is something to laugh histerically about.... but, that's for another thread, some other time... WAY down the line when I get this all sorted out.

I just want to know of any other ECUs that will run split on a 20b.

THANKS!

 

Electromotive TEC3 will, its my choice of ECUs anyway. If I ever build a 3rotor FC it will be the ECU that will I use.

 

I know the TEC3 will run the 20b... but only as a V6 (like the haltech E6k). I want a trailing split.... electromotivve can't.

 

I thought the m800 would do it? Or did you find out differently?


-Zach

 

i was looking at the autronic, no split but it has a self tuning mode. i'm half heartedly working on power fc, but that would have to split either.
stock ecu anyone?

mike

 

Unfortunately, the M800 won't do it either... I may have to go with the m800 anyhow and just not worry about split. I'm sick of Haltech...

My E6K will be up for sale soon, so if anyone wants one that has a harness already cut for a 20B with all of the connections, let me know.

 

how about the stock ecu with a home brew afm delete box?

mike

 

Well for starters, I don't have the stock ECU. I don't want the stock ECU... I like to be able to datalog, tune on the fly... stuff of that nature. Plus, there are no guarantees that once messing with the stock ecu for months that it could even handle the kind of power I'm going to be making... I'd MUCH rather purchase a standalone.

 

Right now, 'm thinking of going with the m800 and 3 MSD intion retard devices. They have a box that is sinlge channel and can retard timing based on RPM and manifold presure up to 9 degrees. Sounds good to me. they also have a static box that is cheaper that you can set the ignition retard to anywhere from 1-15 degrees of retard across the board, which may not be a bad idea either.

 

http://www.motec.com.au/drawings/m16.pdf

that would work just fine

mike

 

This is one reason that I recommend people buy their Haltech from the Hitman in Australia - fair price, and he can actually support the product. Haltech US is a joke. I helped a buddy of mine install a Haltech some time ago that he bought from RP - RP's tech support was quite lacking (and that's back when Trey was still there!) and Haltech US was worthless. Hitman was the one who actually got the car running.

Dale

 

It can control spilt, it has its own split table. The TEC II couldn't control split it was locked at 15 degs IIRC.

Tec3 uses 6 coils for 3 rotor engines.

 

I'd like to see some more info on this. This question has been floating around for over a year.... it pops up every few months. It was determined 2 months or so ago that NOTHING on the market could do it. I called electromotive and they told me that it would only run it like a V6... maybe they were wrong.

 

Yeah, but that's like running an E6K and an AG5 at the same time... too much hassle...

 

Its not a beef with Haltech US... Its a beef with Haltech... period. I got my E6K working fine, no problems there at all... Its just that their equpiment is always inferior or vaporware. We'll see how this E11 makes things turn around for the company... I'm sure as hell not going to be buying one. I'm switching to Motec, or maybe AEM if it will do the split timing.

 

i dont disagree with you by the way i want something better than the e6k

mike

 

Have read the manual yet? Its a lots of good infomation in there on tuning general. By the way you use the 12cyl version of the TEC3 to run a 20B, which is called the TEC 6/12 it is designed for 3 rotor, 12 cyl, 6 cyl odd-fire motor.

Here is a link to the manual.

http://www.electromotive-inc.com/pdf_files/tec3.pdf

You adjust the split using the dual plug timing split setup. It has a complete table just to tune your split. It also has individual igntion trims. If for some reason you wanted to run more timing in the number 2 rotor you could do it.

The TEC3 can be configured to run just about everything. 1-12 cyl 4 stroke engine, 1-3 rotor engines, 2 stroke, odd fire, dual plug, and more. It is great improvement over the TECII system.

 

The Microtech runs the 20b as well with Split. Not sure you want it, but it does it.

Mike

 

Yes the Microtech MTX-12 runs split.

 

I have no exp. with Microtech, but from what I "hear" it has a lot of spark scatter issue. I don't if this is true or not though. I would need to play with one though.

 

What about Wolf 3D version 4.0? I've heard it runs split-timing.


www.wolfems.com.au/wolf_3d_page.html

 

I still don't know about the tec III, when the electromotive technician told me that the 6/12 wouldn't do it, I kind of believe him.

Not interested in a Microtech... no first hand experience, but from what I understand, that's exactly what you get.... micro-tech... as in not much. Plus, the spark scatter is something I want to get away from ... the E6K is NOT a very good ignition ECU.

I ventured over to the AEM forum and asked the question about split timing on the 3rotor... it CAN do it. They can assign extra ignition drivers to be coil drivers. I think I'm gonna go with an AEM.

AEM Link:
http://www.aempower.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=1391

 

Well, technically, if it was setup correctly, couldn't you just run rotor 1 & 3 of the same injector/ignition driver? and then run 2 as the odd one..


Hell, i think the e6k could do it with a software change and have enough to do split timming on a 20B..


You would only need 4 ignition drivers and 4 injector drivers.. the problem is it needs to have a 20B mode. Like rotary, so it has split, but fires like a v6...


Does that make any sense to anyone else? haha..


-Zach

 

Oh, one more crack monkey question from me


Cant you run the 20B with 180* of ignition timming?

 

Yes, makes sense, but it's wrong. I brought this up on the Haltech mailing list a week or so ago and was quickly put in place by several people. True, the injectors are shared on rotor 1 and 3, but that does not mean that the spark is the same. Injector phasing is completely different than spark... there was a big long explanation, but I can't get to the archived threads from here (stupid work firewall), so I can't get any more specific than that... but, in short. No, it won't work.