Kurgan in regard to info on the Microtech there is no forum but im sure if you pm Jon from RX Engineering he will be able to answer any questions you have in regard to Microtech ECU's as well offer you full tech support if you decide to go with Microtech

 

You really do have trouble reading don't you? I just wrote i will be keeping my e6k, it works.. And hopfully i will never need support from haltech. But with that said, i would not send any MORE of my money their way.


And who ever said the E11 is a better product? Hell we haven't even seen it in the US...


-Zach

 

I can't help but draw similarities to that statement about the Microsoft Vs. the world dispute. Microsoft has a product, their support is horrendous, I don't like the company, but yet, I'm stuck running their OS on my computer (even to run the Haltech software) to run 99% of the applications out there that I need to use.

So, you're saying it's ok if the company has a bad additude, doesn't appreciate it's customers, and offer's an inferior product for years and years and years? At that point, I think any smart consumer would start to look around for an alternative...

 

probably not, but they do have 2 options.
the fd has 3 ignition outputs, same as you need to run a 20b with no split, the only difference is the firing order,
it would even plug into the stock 20b engine harness

the supra has i think coil on plug, so it also has 3 outputs (maybe 6 i dunno), and we all know the 20b is a v6...

the power fc's would work but you need to use menus that arent in the commander or the datlogit

mike

 

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...I/534-120.html

how about that one?

mike

 

I doubt holley has incorporated a trailing ignition feature... but I may be wrong. I went through almost every link on the page and did not see anything listed about this, or how many ignition channels it has...

Where do you come a cross these oddball ecus?

 

I have trouble reading? That post was directed at Kurgan, you had previously said you were keeping your K, hence the comment was not directed at you.

And no one has said the E11 is a better product, besides me, hence the IMHO bit which means "in my honest opinion". I think its a better product, thats my opinion. Geddit?

 

Funny you should say that - the EMS guys were heavily involved in the rx-7 SP ECU that's actually how they got started in the business. What I don't know is - is the EMS based on the FD ecu or is the SP ECU just an EMS in a different box? Either way they have a number of cars that have passed emissions testing. They did some OEM work for another company but I can't remember who.

oops way off topic

But how much would you pay for an ECU that actually works

-pete

-pete

 

How did they get a 3-rotor engine to pass emissions without split timing?

BTW, it looks like a GEMS product to me.

About $1,500 USD. Haltech, Microtech, and Wolf EMS products have been running 20B engines for years. Electromotive and Motec have also, but they are not in the same price range.

 

none of the regular ecus look much better than each other os its time to look it strange places. i didnt see anywhere where they list the specs (i guess the name holley is supposed to be enough), but depensing on how the car is wired it either has 4 or 8 (those ls1/lt1 coils come from a car that this works on).

hey what do people use on v12's? you need 6 outputs minimum for that, theres gotta be something.

mike

 

Hehehe, yeah, it's called dual distributors or 12-cylinder twin-height distributors.

Distributor #1: Odd Cylinders
Distributor #2: Even Cylinders

Total EMS ignition outputs required = 0

Here's one with Delco DFI and twin Motecs:
http://www.thundermustang.com/falconer.htm

 

The TEC3 6/12 will run a V12 engine. Of course I have already stated it will run a 3 rotor.

 

yah, we covered that
my problem with the tec is how do you hide those ugly *** coils? my current setup looks stock, that the drawback to the tec, you have to look at the damn thing

mike

 

So how many 3-rotors has the TEC3 actually run? Also, do you have any pics or links?

BTW, I know that the TEC 1 & 2 can run a 20B, but I was interested in the split timing issue with the TEC3.

Who cares? If blowing someone away on the track doesn't impress them, then a shiny clean engine bay certainly will not.

See Law #2:
http://www.nightstalkers.com/mythology/murphy.html

I guess the big question is "how well does it work?", LOL.

 

haha, i was looking at #3
"1. You are not a superman.
2. If it's stupid but works, it's not stupid.
3. Don't look conspicuous, it draws fire.
4. When in doubt, empty your magazine.
5. Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you are...."

mike

 

who needs haltech surport when you have BDC

anyways one thing to add... my friends e6k got fried once (body shop didn't disconnect the battery while welding on his car....)

he sent it to haltech USA and they didn't even have the means to test it!! all they could do was stick it in some guys car down there that already had one to see if it worked. which it didn't. it was then shiped to AUS so they could actully do something... they found the problem and replaced the needed parts (for a charge). the whole thing took awhile though...

 

Microtech does have a mailing list - Yahoo Groups?
It generates very little list traffic...
(Yes, I'm on it.)


-Ted

 

Im the owner of the microtech list on the yahoo groups, i just started it to help out any people that have problems, it isnt very big but if you ask a question on there ill do my best to answer it.

Dale

 

Hi all,

I thought I'd shed a little light on the M800

The Motec M800 will run a 3-D load vs. RPM ignition split table in software versions 1.64 and later. It can run the split from -9 ( yes, if you wanted to make the trailing lead for some reason you could ) to plus 30 degrees after the leading spark fires.

Along with the split timing it can also control individual rotor ignition trims vs. load & RPM. This means if you wanted to take 3 degrees of timing our of the rear rotor durning the peak torque RPM band you most certainly could.

It also means that if you found that the e-shaft was not exactly symmetric (they're not in many of our cars!) you could account for this with individual rotor timing adjustment.

The M800 has six ignition outputs and can directly drive either rising or falling edge ignition transistors / CDI devices.

The M800 also has eight individual injector drives of which six would be used to run a 20B with Hi/Lo injection (it's also permissable to connect more than one injector per output).

Like the ignition outputs, these can be trimmed individually with respect to load and RPM for both the Hi and the Lo injectors.

Rotor-specific fuel injection timing is also user definable in a 2-D (vs. RPM only) or 3-D (efficiency vs. RPM) table for both the hi and low injectors.

All this is applicable to 2-rotor motors as well!


From the release notes:

Version 1.64B Release
Including
M800 hex 1.64B 5 August 2002
EMP 1.64 26 July 2002
E6Unload 1.6.4.1 31 July 2002

New 20B rotary ignition modes:

Added rotary split ignition modes to allow individual spark control for the 20B triple rotor

 

Ah, I figured that they were up to something last year when I was told that the M800 did not have 3-rotor split timing capabilities "at this time". Now it would be nice if the ECU sold for less than my engine, LOL.

 

Ok, I am just guessing here, but it an M800 works, that is probably what kurgan will go with


-Zach

 

I just try and think of it this way:

The M800 will be the last engine management computer you will ever have to buy. It will work with anything you might want to control with it.

Considering the fact that we don't think twice at throwing the kind of money an M800 goes for at turbos, manifolds, intercoolers, and the like, it's not obscenely priced. When the time comes to retire the current race car, all those shiney bits that are car specific will be sold at a great loss. The M800 will live on to run the next project, rotary or piston, requiring only a harness change.

Still I won't disagree with anyone as it is expensive. You don't see one on my 89 T2 (but it's bone stock)!

 

Mmmmmmmm, Motec.

Now, to rob a bank...

 

Linux

(sorry, you just finally hit a topic where I could add to the discussion... )

 

Hitman in Australia is probably same joke like Haltech US ..... damn.... why is soo much ppl trying to make biz without giving any attention to customer support and promptness with orders.....wired money to Hitman like month or more ago and he still haven`t shipped it.....