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Old 11-10-04, 10:45 PM
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Son's 84 GLS-SE won't crank

Greetings everyone. This is the first time I have posted on this site. I could use a little help. My wife took our oldest son's 84 RX7 to the store this afternoon, and when she fininshed shopping and tried to start it, it wouldn't crank at all. The lights on the dash come on, the head lights seem strong, but turning the key nets nothing other than the check lights on the dash. Acts like maybe some fuse blew, or a relay or switch. Can anyone give me an idea on what systems to check. Thanks
Old 11-10-04, 10:57 PM
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Welcome.

I assume you have checked the starter and connections and all is good.
Rotors could be carbon locked. Meaning that the motor is stuck. I'm no expert here but try turning the motor by hand. Spray some MMO(Marvel Mystery oil) or similar into the spark plug holes & into carb.

Actually look at this thread it should help. https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hreadid=281207

I had a similar problem back in 83 with an RX that had been stored over the winter. Seems odd that it would happen right after it was driven.
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Check the connections to the starter. Sometimes these connections can rust causing these problems. Go underneath the car by the driver side, check the starter pos connector.
This happend to me once.

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Fusible links in the engine bay might do it. They're like fuses, but instead of being little plastic thingies with metal inside that melts under stress, they're actual sheathed wires which do the same thing. They're located on the driver's side strut tower. There should be three of them. Feel them to see if they feel strong or burnt. Blowing the "big" one can definitely cause this problem.

Fusible links might be available at the dealership, or off a parts car in a junkyard. I know I had to replace one of mine. I'm thinking of replacing the set of 3 with real fuses at some point, god knows why Mazda chose such an odd way of dealing with that.

So check your fusibles, your fuses in the fuse box, and (though I'm not sure where they are) your ground connections. Make sure the battery has a good charge, maybe replacing it with a known-working one.

Let us know what the results of this comes out as and we'll see what else we can do to help

Oh, and get your local parts store to order you a Heynes manual. I guarantee it's the best $20 you've ever spent on that car.

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Edit: not to be disrespectful to cpa7man, but carbon lock doesn't seem to be the problem here and just throwing MMO at it probably isn't a good idea. If the starter was *trying* to crank and the engine was stuck, that would be different! If it was cranking but not turning over on it's own power, that would be flooding, which would also be different. I don't think his problem stems from carbon lock, low compression, flooding, or anything else MMO would help, sorry . But feel free to check out the "Decarbonizing a Rotary" article in the Archive if you're interested.

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If it clicks when you turn the key but won't crank then it's the starter soilenoid, the click could be very faint or subtle sounding. Whack the starter a few times then see if it cranks, mine is starting to do that now but all i have to do is hit the steering wheel inside the car. Also my friend blew the fuse in his 86' RX-7 because he connected the battery reversed polarity the first time, I think the lights still came on but the main 80 amp fuse had to be replaced. I'm not sure how that's set up on an SE, good luck.
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Do the headlights dim when you try to crank it? This would be an indication that the connection to the starter is good, but the starter itself may be bad. Otherwise it could be a bad ground connection. Good luck....
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Talking Wow! Thanks for your replys

I checked to see if the lights dimmed when I turned the key, nothing. Also checked the fuses under the dash, but couldn't find any blown. Didn't see an 80 amp fuse, where would that be? We have a cold rain tonight and the car is out in a parking lot, so I will try checking some of the other things mentioned tomorrow in the day light. You guys are great! Thanks for the responces.
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The fusible links previously mentioned are mounted under the hood on the drivers side wheel well. Small black box with wire loops sticking out of it. It sounds however, l ike your starter is bad. Best bet is just to take it off and bring it to a pepboys/advanced auto/somewhere to have it tested.
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If it's a manual transmission, you can push start it and get it home.. Once there, replace all three fusible links (3 little wires on the shock tower) with the type shown below (advance or autozone will have them) top and bottom are 30 amps, middle one is 80 amp.. If that doesn't do the trick, the starter is probably bad.. Pull it off and take it to the parts store for testing. If it checks out, you may have a bad ignition switch.. that's a bit more involved.. good luck..
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i'm surprised nobody caught this... but the gsl-se actually has a total of 5 fusable links, two of which are directly above the other three. they will all say on the side of the box what they control. I constantly have electirical problems on my -se so one trick I use whenever a fusable link blows is to press the "headlights up" button on the left side of the dash in the car to get the headlights up, then i open up my hood, and i'll take the headlight motor link and use that temporarily in whichever space the other link has gone bad (this way my headlights are up so i can use them at night). also, do you hear a loud "click" when you turn the key? if so, does the clock go off? if so, definitely check those links. another good thing to check is the actual battery connections. you can buy a tool that will "clean" the terminal and the part that goes onto the terminal. (basically just a glorified wire brush). anyway, i didn't want you to be confused if you didn't see "three" fusable links, on a gsl-se there is a total of 5. Good luck and let us know how everything works out!
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here also is a picture of what specifically we are talking about.
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A well charged battery and good starter are key. Battery cables and terminals however are a commonly overlooked item. Nothing works well with inadequate power. Examine the terminals for severe corrosion. Scrape them clean. Check where the wire enters the terminal.

It's best to charge the battery overnight. Batteries typically take a few amps to charge when you first hook the charger up. Look at the Ammeter on the front of your charger. (Most include one.) They taper off as they charge up, by the time they're done they may take around half an amp or so. If the battery takes no current what so ever, then it is defective. Defective batteries should be disposed of, as I will not be going into the process of adding water to maintainable batteries. Battery voltage should be no less than 12 volts after charging (No electrical items on.) and around 9 or 10 while attempting to crank. If it doesn't go down while cranking, there is a problem in the starting system. If it goes below 8 or 9, replace the battery. If you can't use a voltmeter, try to crank the car with the headlights on. You may need an assistant to watch. If the headlights do NOT dim while attempting to crank, suspect the starting system. Batteries typically last around 4-6 years. Discharging them (Leaving your lights on overnight, electrical accessories on without the engine on, running with a bad or inadequate alternator, etc.) shortens their life, as car batteries are designed for short, large bursts of power, not deep cycle use. Look into Optima brand batteries for long use, especially if you're an audiophile or have a truck with a winch.

The starter solenoid is sometimes located on the starter, or sometimes on the firewall, close to the battery. Just follow the positive cable to it. It uses the largest branch of the cable. You can try to hotwire the car to test the starter. Most starter solenoids have three terminals on them. One big one in from the battery, one big one out to the starter, and one small one from the ignition switch. To hotwire the car, first put the shift lever in neutral (For a manual, Or Park for a slush box... Very important as this bypasses any neutral safety switches and clutch interlocks, if so equipped. I am not responsible for any damage, injury, or death caused by anything in this text.) Use a test lead to connect the small wire from the ignition switch to the positive terminal of the battery, or that large positive connector on the solenoid. The solenoid should click once loudly. If not, replace it. Check for battery voltage at both large terminals. If one does not have power, replace the solenoid.

If everything up till now works, remove the starter. You may elect to test it at home or bring it to an auto parts store for testing. To test it at home first inspect the pinion gear and the ring gear on the engine where the starter was attached. Look for severely damaged teeth. If there is damage, replace the starter or flywheel. Use your battery charger or jumper cables and a car battery. Hold the starter on the floor with your foot. Connect the negative cable to the body of the starter. The flange where it bolts to the engine of transmission works well, now touch positive to where the wire enters the motor body. (NOTE: Be careful to NOT touch the starter body. Doing so may cause a fire. As usual, I am not responsible for anything.) The starter pinion gear should sprig forward and spin. (If you have a cheap, low current charger, it may overload. Starters consume LOTS of power.) If the starter works, several consecutive times, it is good. Sometimes, however the problem is intermittent.

If all else fails, the car could be carbon locked or hydro locked. Cranking with the spark plugs removed solves hydro lock, however hydro lock indicates other severe problems such as water seal or head gasket failure. Either that or you should stop driving through rivers. Carbon lock occurs mainly in rotary engines. A chunk of carbon that has built up on an internal component breaks off and jambs the rotor against one of the intake or exhaust ports. Try using a socket wrench to crank the engine in the opposite direction. (It may help to remove the spark plugs. Cranking an engine with compression is hard work.) Alternatively, the ATF/MMO treatment helps soften these carbon deposits. Spirited driving, and occasional high RPMs help prevent carbon buildup. (But don't go above redline.)
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hreadid=162062

Read, commit to memory, use.

That being said, I'm shocked nodoby's suggested roll starting it... First post jumps straight to carbon lock?

Troubleshoot maaannn. Don't just go spraying oil into plug holes or down the intake...

I'm gonna go with a shot starter right now. I don't think the lights would light up with a bad fusible link.
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