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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 09:23 PM
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COIL problem

I have a question.. I have a 85 GSL-SE 13B FI rx7..I replaced one of my coils because i didnt think it was working... No.. Is there a way to test a coil.. I can unhook it and put it near some metal on the car and it sparks very well.. however.. if i unhook the front coil.. the engin runs fine.. if I unhoock the rear coil the car will not run..
I can switch the 2 wires and as long as the rear coil wire is hooked to either coils it runs.. however it will not run with the front coil by itself..

Have a confused ya all yet|?

Let me know what I need to try..

By the way the car misses like hell.. and than sometime.. it run like a well tuned sewing machine.. than dies and runs like hell again!
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 07:50 AM
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Ground the primary spark plug wire
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 12:24 PM
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does the tach kick in the 85 se when tryin 2 start?? i have noticed my car is hard 2 start somtimes and somtimes not and my tach doesnt always bounce but somtimes does? odd thx
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 12:32 PM
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here's a hint. If you start the car without the pig tail in the alternator, what would you see. thats where I would start for bouncy tach on initial start.
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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Is that little blue connector always connected to the front coil itself? The trailing coil blue connector needs to be connected or the SE fuel injection system won't kick in as it is computer controlled. I found this out the hard way when I accidently had the coil wires reversed. Blue connector goes to coil closest to front of car which is trailing. All we did was have the trailing and leading spark wires reversed and it was totally dead till we fixed it because we THINK the computer was cutting the fuel injectors... wiring diagram supports this theory if I read it correctly

FWIW, reason I ask you to check this is the car shouldn't run with the front coil removed as it appears it is since the FI shouldn't be on.

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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 02:40 PM
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The front-most coil runs the trailing plugs and the rear-most coil runs the leading.

Without the trailing plugs running the tach and fuel pump will not run. The work around for this can be found here:

https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generation-specific-1979-1985-18/lost-both-ignitors-once-550045/

You may also want to make sure that the ignitors are working. Are you getting spark off either of the leading and either of the trailing plugs?

If either of the ignitors are dead and you can't get a junkyard replacement go with a GM equivalent. Instructions are here:

https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generation-specific-1979-1985-18/how-gm-igniters-replace-j-109-a-527209/
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dom
The front-most coil runs the trailing plugs and the rear-most coil runs the leading.

Without the trailing plugs running the tach and fuel pump will not run. The work around for this can be found here:

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=550045

You may also want to make sure that the ignitors are working. Are you getting spark off either of the leading and either of the trailing plugs?

If either of the ignitors are dead and you can't get a junkyard replacement go with a GM equivalent. Instructions are here:

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=527209
From my observations in the service manual, the fuel pump doesn't have any connection to the coils at all. The tach does though. The only thing directly connected to the coils is ECU plug positions U (directly to trailing coil and Tach), F (injector 2), H (injector 1), and the igniters. I am guessing from this that if the coils aren't hooked up right, even if you hard wire the fuel pump it still won't run because the injectors are missing their ground.
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 07:33 PM
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Woops, missed out on answering your question on testing the coil.

For that you'll need a meter set to ohms. Place the test leads as shown.

The reading should be around 1.35 ohms for either coils.


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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jarath
From my observations in the service manual, the fuel pump doesn't have any connection to the coils at all.
That's right, no hard connections from the coils to the fuel pump. But the fuel pump is connected to the computer and the trailing coil does send a signal to the same computer.
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 08:20 PM
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1.5 on leading and 2.3 on trailing.....should i be looking at getting some msd blasters???
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dom
That's right, no hard connections from the coils to the fuel pump. But the fuel pump is connected to the computer and the trailing coil does send a signal to the same computer.
Ah gotcha, ok that thread makes more sense now.
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by rolfs_7
1.5 on leading and 2.3 on trailing.....should i be looking at getting some msd blasters???
FSM says 1.35 +/- 10%, so the 2.3 is too high and the 1.5 is at the upper limit.

Are you getting spark off either the leading or off either of the trailing plugs?

But then again, this is not your thread...
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 09:40 AM
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sry for the jack but im not sure if im gettin spark or not i think it works somtimes and somtimes it doesnt...screw it ill get get msd blasters off ebay. thx
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 02:30 PM
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So you don't know if you're getting spark and you don't know how to verify, but you're going to go with an MSD...

You may be getting in over your head.
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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last i knew i was gettin spark i think it comes and goes cuz i can feel it not run right and pick up i dunno im just gonna replace the coils i had plans to a long time ago.

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