can i swap a 13b-t in my 84
05-08-06, 06:53 PM
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you can, and should. also, the first gen section will be more helpful than the 2nd gen section. lots of guys down there have done it and know how to do it. good luck 
05-10-06, 05:36 PM
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i just need to know what all is needed? i have done some fabrication work be for to put an 95 b18c5 in to my 86 honda crx so i not how to do swaps but ive never had an rx-7 befor!!!!!
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Welcome to the forum.
Do a little search (it's been covered many many times before) and then come back and ask specific questions. Most of the info you need is already out there. Good luck.
Do a little search (it's been covered many many times before) and then come back and ask specific questions. Most of the info you need is already out there. Good luck.
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05-10-06, 10:17 PM
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Sorry about the unhelpfulness. This question gets asked weekly, and thus has been covered time and time again.
There's info about it in the Archives, and search of just this section for "TII swap" will find a lot, but here's a bit of info from memory.
Best car to start with is a GSL-SE because it already has something fuel injected so it makes the wiring easier. You can do it in the 12a equipped 1st gens, but it'll take a little more time/effort. I hope you've got your soldering iron handy.
For the engine itself, you'll have to swap over the front cover from a GSL-SE 13b and oil pan (IIRC) for it to mount properly, and if you don't already have the -SE, you'll need a mounting plate from either racingbeat.com or mazdatrix.com
Your fuel pump and lines need to be changed out (Carbs typically run around 3psi, FI typically runs ten times that).
The TII has a top-mounted intercooler which won't get much air in your car, so you either need to go with a front mount intercooler and plumb it in, or get a scoop for your hood and have it fiberglassed in place.
Don't ask me about mating to the transmission, I don't know.
That's all I can remember off the top of my head. Wiring, mounting the motor in place, fuel pump and intercooler being the big hurdles.
The job is made easier (though much more expensive) if you go standalone. Info on that is in the 2nd section because adding a standalone computer to a 2nd gen engine is something usually done by second gen guys in their second gen cars. But It clears up some complicaitons with wiring it for stock.
Don't expect to ever pass emissions again. Which reminds me, you'll need to have exhaust work done.
You'll need to fiddle with the rad hoses etc... to get it all to fit the way it should but since they have the same basic shape for the water pump housing, it shouldn't be anything big.
The search function IS your friend, as are the archives and the FAQ. If you can't find what you're looking for, the act of searching will have at least given you more specific questions to ask, or at the very least the question "What keywords exactly should I search for?" should appear in your post *after* you've tried and come up with nothing.
Sorry if people seem rude about it, but we get tired of typing out large replies for the same thing every week. If you have specific questions as you get into the process don't hesitate to do a quick search and post a thread with a question, we'll help you out. Answering small, specific questions is much quicker and easier than answering broad questions like "outline for me everything that is involved with this huge and complex operation of swapping a fuel injected turbocharged 13b engine into a car which starts with a carbed N/A 12a engine"
Jon
There's info about it in the Archives, and search of just this section for "TII swap" will find a lot, but here's a bit of info from memory.
Best car to start with is a GSL-SE because it already has something fuel injected so it makes the wiring easier. You can do it in the 12a equipped 1st gens, but it'll take a little more time/effort. I hope you've got your soldering iron handy.
For the engine itself, you'll have to swap over the front cover from a GSL-SE 13b and oil pan (IIRC) for it to mount properly, and if you don't already have the -SE, you'll need a mounting plate from either racingbeat.com or mazdatrix.com
Your fuel pump and lines need to be changed out (Carbs typically run around 3psi, FI typically runs ten times that).
The TII has a top-mounted intercooler which won't get much air in your car, so you either need to go with a front mount intercooler and plumb it in, or get a scoop for your hood and have it fiberglassed in place.
Don't ask me about mating to the transmission, I don't know.
That's all I can remember off the top of my head. Wiring, mounting the motor in place, fuel pump and intercooler being the big hurdles.
The job is made easier (though much more expensive) if you go standalone. Info on that is in the 2nd section because adding a standalone computer to a 2nd gen engine is something usually done by second gen guys in their second gen cars. But It clears up some complicaitons with wiring it for stock.
Don't expect to ever pass emissions again. Which reminds me, you'll need to have exhaust work done.
You'll need to fiddle with the rad hoses etc... to get it all to fit the way it should but since they have the same basic shape for the water pump housing, it shouldn't be anything big.
The search function IS your friend, as are the archives and the FAQ. If you can't find what you're looking for, the act of searching will have at least given you more specific questions to ask, or at the very least the question "What keywords exactly should I search for?" should appear in your post *after* you've tried and come up with nothing.
Sorry if people seem rude about it, but we get tired of typing out large replies for the same thing every week. If you have specific questions as you get into the process don't hesitate to do a quick search and post a thread with a question, we'll help you out. Answering small, specific questions is much quicker and easier than answering broad questions like "outline for me everything that is involved with this huge and complex operation of swapping a fuel injected turbocharged 13b engine into a car which starts with a carbed N/A 12a engine"
Jon
05-10-06, 10:19 PM
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Hey, look what I found in the FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS thread stickied at the top of the 1st gen section for the purpose of answering questions that are asked frequently:
Q. Can I install a turbo or TII engine in my 1st Gen?
A. Ummm yeah! Read all about it in the Turbo swap into 1st Gen thread. Also, Rex4Life
has done a superb job of describing his swap in the thread entitled The Chronicles
of a Turbo II Swap
Jon
Q. Can I install a turbo or TII engine in my 1st Gen?
A. Ummm yeah! Read all about it in the Turbo swap into 1st Gen thread. Also, Rex4Life
has done a superb job of describing his swap in the thread entitled The Chronicles
of a Turbo II Swap
Jon
05-10-06, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dopestilerx7
i was needing to know how to swap an 13B-T 1989-1991 TURBO in my 84 rx-z
if any one can help that would be great.
if any one can help that would be great.
you want ez way...if you car has a 12a in it right now swap the FI stuff for a blow thru carb...bolt the motor in and there you go...zoom zoom ahhhhhhhhhh carbs are better errrrrrr
thanks
05-12-06, 10:01 PM
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And if you have a well stocked PickNPull in the area,you can do with with time and less money than you might expect.....provided that you handle the majority of the fabrication and planning.I only paid out labor for the cat back exhaust($200),minor fuel tank welding($175),custom driveline($120) and the aluminum front cover mods($175).
Total cost for a stock running setup was about $1500 in labor and wrecking yard parts.I did all the work and all the planning other than the specialty work mentioned.
Granted,I spent that much in performance stuff while doing the swap,to boost power......but I wanted to convey that a simple,bone stock 180-200HP TII swap (which is plenty fast) can be affordable.I did both a S4,then a S5 TII swap in my 84,and both came out beautifully and passed CA smog inspection easily.The S5 is still running strong after 4+ years of daily driving and making 300 reliable,smoggable HP with a fresh Mazdatrix block and TO4B....
Total cost for a stock running setup was about $1500 in labor and wrecking yard parts.I did all the work and all the planning other than the specialty work mentioned.
Granted,I spent that much in performance stuff while doing the swap,to boost power......but I wanted to convey that a simple,bone stock 180-200HP TII swap (which is plenty fast) can be affordable.I did both a S4,then a S5 TII swap in my 84,and both came out beautifully and passed CA smog inspection easily.The S5 is still running strong after 4+ years of daily driving and making 300 reliable,smoggable HP with a fresh Mazdatrix block and TO4B....
05-13-06, 11:42 PM
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For ease of install I went with a S5 turbo.
I got the S5 engine with turbo and everything for free just for pulling it out.The owner was making a V-8 racecar and had no use for the powertrain.It was VERY blown up and the 5 broken apex seals had taken out the turbo quite nicely.
While the engine was at Mazdatrix being built up,I sent the turbo to Turbonetics for a rebuild and upgrade.Everyone said they didnt do TII hybrids due to complaints,but they had no problems making mine.The cold side is a TO4B and the hotside is a stock S5 with a turbine clip.I imagine the hotside A/R is up there since the stock S5 is a 1.00 and Ive got a decent clip job going.Its got a little lag,but I actually prefer it since it makes easy,N/A city driving possible.Theres a very pronounced punch around 4000RPM and the turbo loafs along up to 7000+ RPMs with no problems at 14psi.The stock turbo was absolutely screaming at those levels with my old S4 system.Intake temps were horrendous and Im sure turbo bearing life would have been short.The hybrid S5 has been running happily since late 01' with no problems.There were no specs included with the turbo,but it was tagged with a slip saying "1 BAR @ 50,000 RPMS"......50K RPMs is not very fast for a turbo,so I imagine its capable of lot more than what Im pushing.However, my stock S5 EFI is about at its limit and Im happy with my current reliable,more than reasonable power.
Im contemplating an upgrade,since my buddy got a GT35 ball bearing turbo on his 2.0L Civic recently.Its a super slick turbo and they make them big enough to flow a ported 13B.Id just have to fab up a manifold and V-band my downpipe.The main thing would be to make it stock looking and keep things tucked down low,as not to attract attention during smog time.
I got the S5 engine with turbo and everything for free just for pulling it out.The owner was making a V-8 racecar and had no use for the powertrain.It was VERY blown up and the 5 broken apex seals had taken out the turbo quite nicely.
While the engine was at Mazdatrix being built up,I sent the turbo to Turbonetics for a rebuild and upgrade.Everyone said they didnt do TII hybrids due to complaints,but they had no problems making mine.The cold side is a TO4B and the hotside is a stock S5 with a turbine clip.I imagine the hotside A/R is up there since the stock S5 is a 1.00 and Ive got a decent clip job going.Its got a little lag,but I actually prefer it since it makes easy,N/A city driving possible.Theres a very pronounced punch around 4000RPM and the turbo loafs along up to 7000+ RPMs with no problems at 14psi.The stock turbo was absolutely screaming at those levels with my old S4 system.Intake temps were horrendous and Im sure turbo bearing life would have been short.The hybrid S5 has been running happily since late 01' with no problems.There were no specs included with the turbo,but it was tagged with a slip saying "1 BAR @ 50,000 RPMS"......50K RPMs is not very fast for a turbo,so I imagine its capable of lot more than what Im pushing.However, my stock S5 EFI is about at its limit and Im happy with my current reliable,more than reasonable power.
Im contemplating an upgrade,since my buddy got a GT35 ball bearing turbo on his 2.0L Civic recently.Its a super slick turbo and they make them big enough to flow a ported 13B.Id just have to fab up a manifold and V-band my downpipe.The main thing would be to make it stock looking and keep things tucked down low,as not to attract attention during smog time.
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