jays83gsl

My point exactly.

DriveFast7

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I laugh every time I look at this. AGREED! But drifting IS entertaining if anything. And I really liked getting dirt and rubber particles thrown into my eyes @ JGTC last year every time a drifter SlId MaD qUiCk YO and went by.

As far as drifting is faster, let's see drift guys do a 3 hour enduro against GRIP drivers. Drifting guys will be coming in every 30 minutes for a new set of tires and gas; GRIPpers will pit stop once or twice.

mikey D

i hate to be a bumhole...

but alex is kinda funny and makes a few valid points even if he is rude and insulting.


to the dood that started this thread....
Why dont you go learn to auto x. I get the feeling you dont know anything about car control at all.

Drifting is not the place to start. take your car to a local autox.
the suspension setups are similar so you wont be wasting money and you wont be smashing your car into cars, people, building or other things.

if you have driven and really looked at a corolla youll notice its allmost the same chassis an a FB. they handle similar. the corolla is more neutral and the fb more tail happy. FB was a really popular drift car in japan about the same time as the corolla.

the corolla is STILL popular mainly because the "Drift King" likes them and promotes them.

its that simple.

Go auto x.
Learn some car control.
get a suspension and a 5spd manuel and start having some fun.

Rusty Shackleford

i dont know if anyone has said this but in your title you say without an lsd you wont be able to break both tires to slide you rear in drifting...or am i wrong??

nick1

i don't get it. a corolla? you mean a toyota? im lost.

jays83gsl

Yes, Nick. A Toyota Corolla

In Japan and all the media and video games and cartoons they're called Sprinters (folding headlights are Trueno, fixed headlights are Corolla Levin. In US, and I guess Canada as well, we just called them all Corollas)

Thanks to the 'drift king' and Initial D, they're almost as popular amongst the yungn's as the Silvia (Nissan SX series).

Midwest 7's

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hey jay, dont argue with alex, you will NEVER win. by the way, i am pro-drift, just not on the race track. (don't be ridiculus!) oh and by the way again, racing cars is not a sport, but more of a bad ***, testosterone laced hobby. don't get me wrong, i like racing, but who you think is more athletic shaq or michael shumaker?

jays83gsl

Oh, it's gotta be Shumaker. That hot white bod. . .

No, I'm kidding! REALLY!

:P

rx7spadeace

hey im back, and u make me sick, plz never post anything like that ever again on this thread.

rx7spadeace

sorry guy that one was to the jerk who posted the special olypics bit

rx7spadeace

k guys read most of the new replies and have to say we are way off subject, to the ignorant whom insist on downing the speed drift race, race being the one whom comes in first wins, by drift to endurance, what about compairing drag to endurance or soccer to base ball, different players, goals, and tracks, comon, grip on a drift course is insane, grip would lose to a speed drifter, again speed not show, now aply same cars to a conventional endurance race, still the drifter, if he dosent drift, cause the cars setting allow maximum cornering and top speed, these guy arent worried bout off the line just getting in and out of corners fast as posable and hitting the straits with evrey thing they got, now that sounds awfully close to endurance to me, again just a voiced opinion plz no rude of insulting comment just state ur opinions or facts plz.

jays83gsl

I was about to be offended!

I'm kidding ;D

I'm also shocked to have just found out that mine is officially an 84, NOT an 83! But I'm blessed to ave the S2 interior!

rx7spadeace

no insults intended

jays83gsl

I know, ya know? :P

grantmac

Hate to say it, the drifter will lose even if he doesn't drift. A drift car isn't set-up to take the corners at maximum speed, it's set-up to take the corners at maximum angle; totally different. The only time the drifter will be faster is on a surface with greatly reduced traction, period. Lets end this debate because the only people qualified to have an opinion have already voiced it, you just chose to not listen.
Grant

jays83gsl

Yes, but the drifter knows how to control the car in all conditions. Therefore, he has total control over the car at all times

Alex-7

Oh jesus christ, nice try.


Just give it up.



--Alex

DriveFast7

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Bull. I saw several drift guys YO! spin out at JGTC. I can control my car just as good as a guy who burns up and cords tires every time he hits the track.

AXMDR787BOY

I would just like to say that drifting is stupid and a pointless waste of tires. I have an AE86 'rolla and I have not used it to drift once, have not even tried. I see the thread starter thinks drifting was created to go fast. I see also that he thinks going 40 in a parking lot then pulling the parking brake, and subsequently sliding until you stop IS drifting. To you I say turn off the TV. Initial D is not real. Well, the mountains they race on are real, and people used to actually drift on them, but that has long since stopped. Before the show, cops didn't really pay attention to the people doing stupid things in the mountains, then it got popular...

I say learn some real car control and head on over to a real track. AutoX is cool too. To the guys that are afraid to road race, have you ever done it? You know you only have to go as fast as you want to. The throttle isn't pegged at WOT. If you don't know anyone that does it, well take comfort in knowing that I personally only know ONE person who even cares for the road racing or autoX. I don't think it is because people fear the complexity of the sport, but the lack of mainstream popularity.

Alex-7

^^^ It's good to see some people with their head on streight.





Art, not sport,

--Alex

jays83gsl

Anyway, isn't it time to get this locked or something?

It appears that unless something like that happens, people are just going to get their post counts raised (and my email notifications!) in this pissing contest.

rx7spadeace

to the idiot trying to asume how i drift, just shut up, seriously, i hit corners, if i even pull my e brake my car stops sliding after like 1 sec, i practice on real corners on real roads and have listened to those whom have helped on this thread,i now practice by pushing the cars and my own limits little at a time wrather than try big drifts early, i also now know alittle more about my grip competitors, but never have or ever will underestimate them, with that said, yes the drifters car is set up to take the car at a maximum angle, but a good drifter could take his car at the same angle faster, thus alowing him to tune his car to slide at even faster speeds, if he dosent do this then he loses control of the car while atempting to go faster around a corner, now if he knows the limit before he can lose traction and knows his settings so that he can adjust them to allow maximum grip or speed, he dose have a better chance at winning vs the grip driver whom slows down at evry corner not know exactly how far he can push carwithout lossing grip, this isnt saying that this gose hand in hand with all drift and grip racers, just experianced vets. plz don't assume, asumption is the mother of all **** ups.

AXMDR787BOY

I've been on this site two years longer than you jays83gsl, if I were simply here to raise my post count; I would have done so long ago. I suggest you unsubscribe from the thread if you don't like what is going on.

rx7spadeace, drifting is not faster than traditional driving techniques. End of story. The things they say in Initial D ARE NOT REAL, no matter how many ricer kids tell you they are. A 'grip' driver knows exactly how far he can push his car before traction is lost. There is rarely a point where the grip driver isn’t riding on that 'edge'. Just the fact that you think that a grip driver doesn't know the limitations of his vehicle is a testament to your ignorance.

Feds

Since I wasted my time reading this garbage, I might as well weigh in...

Everyone find a heavy object. Place it on the floor. Push on it. Keep pushing. There, see show it started to slide? See how it is easier to keep it sliding than it is to start it sliding? Very good, now we have all learned the difference between static and sliding friction.

Now we have to go visit our friend Issac Newton. He sould be recovered from the apple incedent by now. It was ol' Issac that said "The acceleration of a body is directly proportional to the force applied, and inversely proportional to the mass" OR F(orce)=M(***)A(celeration). Thanks Issac, you've been a big help!

Contrary to popular belief, acceleration is not just 0-60, but it is defined as "The rate of change of velocity with respect to time". Contrary to another popular belief, velocity is not what your speedometer reads. Velocity is a vector quantity, and thus has magnitude (60mph) AND direction (East). So, if you start going 60 mph east, and end up going 60 mph north, you will have undergone an acceleration, even if your speed stayed at 60mph the whole time. The less time you take to change from 60 mph east to 60 mph north, the greater the acceleration.

And like Newton said, whenever there is an acceleration, a force has to be applied. He also said that faster acceleration requires that more force be applied. Here's where it gets interesting:

Remember our first experement? Remember that static friction is greater than sliding friction? Good. Now pretend you are in your car, you are travelling 60mph east, and there is a left hand corner aproaching. The exit of the corner faces north. The fastest way around the corner is the way that takes the least amount of time. The way that takes the least amount of time requires the greatest acceleration. The greatest acceleration requires the most force.

Stay with me, because this is where it all comes together...

Static friction is greater than sliding friction. A rolling tire is static with respect to the pavement. A sliding tire is not. A rolling tire can impart a greater force on a vehicle than a sliding tire. A greater force imparts a greater acceleration. A greater accelleration means a faster change in velocity. Faster change in velocity means less time spent negotiating the corner.

And that, Timmy, is why grip is faster than drift. Now can we quit arguing and help this poor kid wrap his RX around a light pole?

Midwest 7's

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so the moral of the story is: Drifting is slow, ah, but it looks cool and thats why you kids do it. Racing techniques are fast. I am getting sick of this post and Feds just said what was up, you CAN'T argue with physics. So unless there are any Albert Einstien mother ******* out there that can disprove your basic principles, lets just let this post die..................please.