can a 1st drift better than a ae86 without lsd
03-06-05, 12:31 AM
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alex, my thread was to find faqs not morons, and i do know what im talking about, thus you have said nothing to prove otherwise. now it is unfortanate that u have turned this thread into a battle ground , so here, just leave one a fact or opinion that has any ground, be civil about and this can end but as long as you are agresive and insulting i refuse to stand down, my argument is that the drift technique is infact a technique to gain time on tight corners and as far as i can tell me and a few others have proven our sides and you as far as i can tell have no real argument just a vendeta and if you do have an argument to make make it without being insulting ,prob your best bet of getting your argument across, sorry to have responded to your ignorant replies as vile as you made them. now plz help or help yourself out of this thread
03-06-05, 12:37 AM
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If you both just shut up RIGHT here, the squabbling will stop. Sorry to sound so rude, but this is really childish, and I'm sick of seeing it on every forum I visit. This is www.rx7club.com, guys! NOT gamefaqs! Let's just keep it cool. We'll forget everything that Alex said, and everything that Spadeace said (in regards to each other and each other's comments). If no one makes a comeback, there's no need to make a comeback, catch my drift?
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03-06-05, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rx7spadeace
alex, my thread was to find faqs not morons, and i do know what im talking about, thus you have said nothing to prove otherwise. now it is unfortanate that u have turned this thread into a battle ground , so here, just leave one a fact or opinion that has any ground, be civil about and this can end but as long as you are agresive and insulting i refuse to stand down, my argument is that the drift technique is infact a technique to gain time on tight corners and as far as i can tell me and a few others have proven our sides and you as far as i can tell have no real argument just a vendeta and if you do have an argument to make make it without being insulting ,prob your best bet of getting your argument across, sorry to have responded to your ignorant replies as vile as you made them. now plz help or help yourself out of this thread
You aern't proving anything either. Just that you think drifting is cool (and it is) but unfortunatly there are many other people on this forum prone to the asian persuasion. The fact that you are asking wether your auto FB can compete with anything PROVES that your drifting experiance is limited to doing circles in your high school parking lot. Soo, from that (and many other things) I deduce that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE **** YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT You're just buying into the hype.
Just chill out and accept the fact that drifting is un-judgable and therefore, not a sport.
And btw, I am a horible speller, but I am better than you!
If you wan't to continue this, send me a PM. And carry on with your faggetry......
--Alex
03-06-05, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jays83gsl
Alex. . . . do you need to spend time in the corner?
Now back to tech. RX7spedace,
If you intend to compete in the bad *** world of drifting, you'd better do a five speed swap to have more controle of rear wheel traction. other than that, as long as you can shift mad quick, and have superior kung fu driving skills. An FB should be comperable to an AE86. Stock to stock.
Good luck,
--Alex
03-06-05, 01:22 AM
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sorry guys ur right i did read alex's last report but now will not respond and i will not send him a pm either, plz don't take this as a sign of weakness just that i want to get on with better understanding my cars capabilities from experianced vets. but as you were saying j, even with the loss of horse power my car can hold a 40mph drift for about 4 secs without skidding to a stop i manage to drift it by sterring hard away from the corner and at the apex countersterring hard this alows wheight to transfer off my rear tires and throws the car sideways hard enough that if i just stay on the gass untill the end of the drift i can maintain it
03-06-05, 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by rx7spadeace
thnx alex for making ur last word wrather fruitfull
ARE YOU CALLING ME A FRUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just kidding,
--Alex
03-06-05, 02:03 AM
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Hmmm. THat's a bad idea. A RWD car, even with a slushbox, will lose too much control.
The thing with using the ebrake:
Using the ebrake locks the rear wheels. Since these are our drive wheels, this can cause many problems. Once they have locked, they tend to slide out of control. The reaction of this is that the car will continue moving in the same direction. Basically, you've turned the pavement to ICE.
Bad idea for someone who is admittedly a novice.
The thing with using the ebrake:
Using the ebrake locks the rear wheels. Since these are our drive wheels, this can cause many problems. Once they have locked, they tend to slide out of control. The reaction of this is that the car will continue moving in the same direction. Basically, you've turned the pavement to ICE.
Bad idea for someone who is admittedly a novice.
03-06-05, 02:14 AM
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the pavement sees locked wheels the same as it sees spinning wheels and you can modulate a hand brake just as you can power from the engine only real diff is the inablilty to gain exit speed from power just my thoughts
03-06-05, 02:17 AM
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k so what about this, go into the turn hard, just as you begin to brake lose you hit the brake, clutch , and gass lett off the brake right away but not the clutch, let off the clutch as you exit the drift, i know this is only possable with a manual but supose i did a swap, think this could work
03-06-05, 07:50 AM
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Drifting to drift is slow. Drifting because you don't have enough traction is fast. It's said and commonly accepted that 5-10% tire slippage (depending on tire) is optimal for grip and speed. Enything less and you are not using the full traction available, anything more and you are past the slip angle of the tire and are actually going slower.
I drift all the time in autocross, but I never use any of the gay techniques those D1 driver use, like faint, ebrake, or whatever. I Drift because I have skinny tires, and I drive too fast for them in the corners. Now it's not a D1 style drift, but the rear does slip out a bit and slides through the entrance of turns.
I think exhibition drift is a cool thing and your slushbox 12A has no chance of being anything but a poser sportscar. Swap a manual in there, get an LSD and disc brake rear-end and then you have something to work with. The only thing a Hachi-Roku has going for it is Inital-D and that you could possibly drift with (aka scare the **** out of) 3 other people in the car.
If you wanted to go fast, then don't try to drift, just try and be smooth and accurate. Soon you will be pushing the limits and you'll be drifting because you have no more grip, not because it's "cool".
I drift all the time in autocross, but I never use any of the gay techniques those D1 driver use, like faint, ebrake, or whatever. I Drift because I have skinny tires, and I drive too fast for them in the corners. Now it's not a D1 style drift, but the rear does slip out a bit and slides through the entrance of turns.
I think exhibition drift is a cool thing and your slushbox 12A has no chance of being anything but a poser sportscar. Swap a manual in there, get an LSD and disc brake rear-end and then you have something to work with. The only thing a Hachi-Roku has going for it is Inital-D and that you could possibly drift with (aka scare the **** out of) 3 other people in the car.
If you wanted to go fast, then don't try to drift, just try and be smooth and accurate. Soon you will be pushing the limits and you'll be drifting because you have no more grip, not because it's "cool".
03-06-05, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by breesej
Drifting to drift is slow. Drifting because you don't have enough traction is fast. It's said and commonly accepted that 5-10% tire slippage (depending on tire) is optimal for grip and speed. Enything less and you are not using the full traction available, anything more and you are past the slip angle of the tire and are actually going slower.
I drift all the time in autocross, but I never use any of the gay techniques those D1 driver use, like faint, ebrake, or whatever. I Drift because I have skinny tires, and I drive too fast for them in the corners. Now it's not a D1 style drift, but the rear does slip out a bit and slides through the entrance of turns.
I think exhibition drift is a cool thing and your slushbox 12A has no chance of being anything but a poser sportscar. Swap a manual in there, get an LSD and disc brake rear-end and then you have something to work with. The only thing a Hachi-Roku has going for it is Inital-D and that you could possibly drift with (aka scare the **** out of) 3 other people in the car.
If you wanted to go fast, then don't try to drift, just try and be smooth and accurate. Soon you will be pushing the limits and you'll be drifting because you have no more grip, not because it's "cool".
I drift all the time in autocross, but I never use any of the gay techniques those D1 driver use, like faint, ebrake, or whatever. I Drift because I have skinny tires, and I drive too fast for them in the corners. Now it's not a D1 style drift, but the rear does slip out a bit and slides through the entrance of turns.
I think exhibition drift is a cool thing and your slushbox 12A has no chance of being anything but a poser sportscar. Swap a manual in there, get an LSD and disc brake rear-end and then you have something to work with. The only thing a Hachi-Roku has going for it is Inital-D and that you could possibly drift with (aka scare the **** out of) 3 other people in the car.
If you wanted to go fast, then don't try to drift, just try and be smooth and accurate. Soon you will be pushing the limits and you'll be drifting because you have no more grip, not because it's "cool".
You outta listen to this guy, rx7spadeace. Dorifto may be fun and cool to watch, but it's dog slow. Any car will slip during a hard turn, and it's taking advantage of those slip angles that can make up some time during that turn. I'm still a novice at it myself, but if you take that slip angle into account when you plan your turn, you can take a better line and be faster. All-out drifting is only good for scrubbing speed, burning off perfectly good rubber, and pointing your car in the right direction at the turn exit. But it's hardly the fastest way on a tarmac surface.
As far as AE86 VS RX-7 goes, the Corolla has better suspension geometry and steering than the RX-7, stock for stock. Power-wise, the cars are essentially identical, with similar power and torque curves.
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03-06-05, 10:01 PM
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thnxs , i already have the disks in the back and can lockem up prity quick if i have to, i know in typical racing drifting realy isn't necisary, but where i live, we don't get many straits or suddle curvs, and it take money to even qualify your car to be on the track, so drift is the natural soulution for slow weekends. I also notice that at stock height the car dose have abit of body lean. i've tried but couldn't find any sports suspension , i would like to lower my car but am not willing to cut the springs, i think this may help. and btw i know the auto is a slush box, i have one, please keep in mind that i already have the manual and am preping to install it right now, just looking for some hints or techniques to better my skill, thnx for all the info thus far though
03-06-05, 11:35 PM
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Sure. I had lowprows that were a LOT wider than stock. Hell, even some of the tires I have on my car NOW are wider than others (I made the best of things, and put the wides in the rear).