RotorMotor

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We all know that the stock headlights on the Rx-7 are vastly inadequate for driving at night. We finally decided to fix this problem once and for all. SakeBomb Garage is pleased to offer the first and only true 'pop-up' Bi-Xenon Projector HID kit for the FC.

fonzi581

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If I send my money earlier than everyone else do I still need to wait for everyone else to submit their money before I can recieve my product?

RotorMotor

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As I realize some of you may not be completely familiar with the differences and advantages of projector vs reflector lights, and other important information, I thought I would make a quick post to try to answer some of the basic questions and educate people who may not already know this information, or know the terminology. This is a starting point, but I encourage you to look around for more information if you are curious. And by all means, please feel free to ask questions.


HID Lighting 101:
Other HID “kits” use the stock headlight housing in conjunction with a Xenon bulb. The plus side, they are unbelievably cheap. The negative side? Typically these setups:
-blind other drivers
-have a horrible field of view
-severely scatter the light
-have uneven lighting with no cutoff
-actually WORSEN your night vision (they throw intense light into the foreground (actually making your pupils close) causing your distance night-vision to become worse than with your stock halogen lights)

Projector HID's on the other hand are what is used in every OEM HID lighting setup. Our Projectors:
-Have a very even dispersion of light
-Have a very wide dispersion of light
-Have a very long throw (with high beams)
-Illuminate much larger portions of the road while not ruining your night vision
-Oh yeah, and they don't blind other drivers, or attract attention from people who may or may not drive Crown Victorias


While I don't want this thread to turn into a discussion thread I DO want to remove all of the confusion and misinformation floating around in regards to HIDs. This is a good source to start at http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

And there is a quick video which I also feel is worthwhile to watch for those that do not know much on the subject. Here's a link:
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And to end... a quick slide show I put together. As I said, I don't want this to turn into a discussion thread, however, I feel that it's worthwhile to take a little time to educate people on WHY we bothered to go through all the trouble to create this kit.

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(example of the same projectors on the FD)

RotorMotor

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yes for GB pricing. The reason we can get them down to $799 is because of leveraging the large quantity of orders. Non GB pricing (and I'm not sure if we will bother to stock them) would/will be somewhere around $950+

AmviciousRav

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are these glass housings?

RotorMotor

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The front is, yes. And they are readily available if something ever happens to one of them.
-Heath

Pele

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Can you show pics of the FC beam pattern? Or are they identical to the FD?
Also, estimated time to completion?

The interest thread lists NO FEE as the personal PayPal transaction... Where's that option?

Final question... Early in the interest thread I wanted two sets, one for the FC, one for another vehicle (Truck) that uses 6054 style headlights. I canceled that, as I'm not sure what truck I'll end up with.
You gonna keep the molds for future production or is this a one off production?
Just in case I get a truck that takes these style headlights.

RotorMotor

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Q1 - The FC beam pattern is identical to the FD beam pattern posted above. They use the exact same projectors and a clear housing... the only difference is the housing the projectors sit in (basically just a nice looking box for the projectors ).

Q2 - Estimated time to completion... here is a basic break down. After everyone has paid up for the GB we will order the parts. That should take 2 weeks (possibly slightly longer). Building/assembling them can take anywhere from 2-3 weeks (there is alot of work involved not only with the assembly but wiring, crimping weather pack connectors, etc etc). The sooner we get everyone who is still interested paid up, the sooner we can get the parts ordered. As my schedule is getting ever more busy, the earlier in the summer we get going on this the quicker we can turn them around and get them built and sent out to you guys. So really it's contingent on when the last payments come in. If anyone is out, please remove your name for the list so others are not waiting.

Q3 - We are technically not allowed to offer the "personal payment" option... paypal was sending us ongoing harassing emails, and threatening to cancel our ability to take personal payments on the account if we continued to get personal payments on this account. Reason being, they make no money, and they want your money. I'm not a big fan of paypal but it's a necessary evil as there are no other good options out there. We responded to them explaining that we have no control over what customers select when sending us a payment. So our position now is, we do not ask for personal paypal payments, although we also acknowledge that we have no control over what our customers select when sending us a payment .

Q4 - Personally I wouldnt buy these for a truck until you verify fitment w/ the set you already are getting, cause the projectors are quite deep.

Boosted11

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For now, I hate to say have to back out. Really want, but the funds just aren't there. Forked out alot recently at a local rotary shop.

If this takes a while to kick start, could see me back in but for now just write me off.

Will these be available in the future or is this the only run?

RotorMotor

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Only run for now... at the moment there seems like there is barely enough interest to run this one.

Yodichkas

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Payment Sent

MaczPayne

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Will post a 50% deposit next week, if that will fly with you!

HOZZMANRX7

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I'm still good for the group buy. But I have one request.

Can you show picture/vid of how the light shows against the wall on High Beam as well as the low beam? I'm assuming this kit is a Hi/Lo set up.

If not Hi/Lo, then perhaps supplimental driving lights making essentially a 4 light headlight set up. That is how my set up is right now.

MadScience_7

Gotta wait for the paycheck on Thursday...

Scrub

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That's fine with me, it's understandable if you don't have the full payment to put down that far in advance


back roads (I think this is actually only one

Not the best pictures, I need to find a better place to take comparison pics. This is the same beam pattern the FC projector will have. Also note that the headlights were not completely aimed in these two pics.


low


high


high, back roads

I would NOT want to be driving the car that pisses off someone with these headlights.

RotorMotor

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It's got Hi and low beam... that's what bi-xenon means. There is no need for a 4 light setup, and actually by doing a 4 light setup you have worse light output. Send me a PM if you want to know more, or look through the FD HID GB thread. There is lots of information in that thread. Long story short, I can't think of a single lighting setup that will perform better than this. Typically setups like this sell for over $1K

RotorMotor

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5. Hozzmanrx7
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8. FC3S1991
9. RX710thAE
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$lacker

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I'm out, sorry guys

87TIIFC

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hopefully my paycheck on friday will be enough to put down a 50% downpayment, but i might be late on the second payment, i owe money in too many places but i want these lights soo badly.

RotorMotor

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Update:

We can knock off $40 from the total price if you would like to substitute a less expensive d2s bulb set compared to the philips OEM bulbs. The Morimoto bulbs are quite good, however the philips is the OEM standard.

The same setup with the Morimoto bulbs would bring the total kit (before shipping) to $759, as opposed to $799 with the OEM philips.



We had a good number of people join the interest thread, but so far we have had a very low response. I've PMed everyone a link to the new thread, but so far we only have had a handfull of members respond to the new thread.

Please remember the pricing we have established RELIES on having at LEAST 15 orders.

fonzi581

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I would prefer the OEM phillips bulb myself. There is no need to spend all this money and not get the best bulb possible. I will hopefully have all my money in 2 weeks.

V8kilr

I don't understand what the video has to do with the product your selling. It compares a standard OEM headlamp housing with standard OEM bulbs to an OEM headlamp housing with Xenon bulbs.

The slideshow looks to compare the same but shows a picture of an H.I.D. bulb which has nothing to do with a projector housing or standard housing as the bulbs can be used in both housing and are used in both housing from the manufacturer in OEM applications.

Is this product a full H.I.D conversion kit with a projector headlamp housing, H.I.D. bulbs & Ballast boxes? Or is it just the projector housings?.

What does the video comparing Xenon bulbs to non Xenon bulbs in OEM housing have to do with this product your selling?

I understand beam pattern is related to the headlamp housing but when a manufacturer uses Xenon bulbs they don't always use projector headlamp housings and most H.I.D. equipped cars do not use a projector style headlamp housing and instead use a deflector in front of the bulb which I believe if you did not have sealed headlamps you can buy a kit that comes with the deflector.

I am asking this because the video speaks of a Xenon conversion in which I assume they are talking about these
http://www.productwiki.com/upload/im...enon_bulbs.jpg
and not a true H.I.D. conversion

RotorMotor

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Sorry, I thought it would be self explanatory, but I'm happy to answer any and all questions.

VIDEO: The video (which basically explains the downsides of the $75 HID "conversion kits") is there to justify why we bothered to make this setup. We all realize that any projector-HID setup is expensive, but unfortunately (as the video shows) the projector setups are the only viable, safe, and quality lighting option available. There is nothing available which actually makes your headlights better, aside from a projector setup. Just because the h4 conversion kits "say" HID, doesn't tell the whole story, and that video is there to explain why. The other so called HID conversion "kits" are dangerous and offer S*@$% lighting. So thats the video... just there for background knowledge as I encourage people to shop around and educate themselves about the various other options, or lack there of.




SLIDESHOW: The bulb in the slideshow is what you get in a $75 HID "coversion kit". The slideshow compares projector (our setup with d2s bulbs) vs reflector (the setup you saw in the video) both using HID technology bulbs. Again, this is here to educate people on the differences between the two types of HID lighting, and explain the benefits/disadvantages.


Yes, it is all of that and more . If you read the big orange text it explains everything included in the kit. This is the entire plug-and-play setup.
-The projectors (built by us) as a unit sealed inside the housings which will fit in your car (these projectors are HI/LO)
-OEM philips bulbs used in everything from mercedes to jaguar (or for $40 off for cheaper bulbs)
-OEM power consumption 35w (high end) morimoto ballasts
-Wiring harness which has special relays and power leads that allow this setup to be adapted to your car.

educational purposes only, explaining why going with a route other than projectors for an "upgrade" is a mistake.


You are talking about D2R HID's. Yes, cheap OEM HID's (such as that found on the prius for example) use special HID's with a shield on them and reflect the light off of the back of the housing. Why is this done? It's cheap. The light output is quite poor, but the manufacturer in this case can offer "HID Lights" with their new car for a fraction of the cost. It's a cost saving measure, and the light output is not great. Now, it's kinda a moot point anyway, because the reflector housing must be designed SPECIFICALLY for the d2r bulb, so it's not something you can then retroactively install in a housing that was not built to focus the d2r beam. Either way, it's a crappy lighting system.... if you notice the prius (just using them as an example) the light is a solid blue/white instead of the color flicker which results from the optics in a projector setup, has a poor cutoff because there is no internal shield to define the cutoff as compared to a projector, and has uneven and narrow beam dispersion compared to the projector. Projectors are hands down the best, and that is why we are offering them.

No, that's a halogen bulb. The video is talking about the differences between those (which are what is used stock), and a "retrofit HID bulb" which *IS* an HID bulb... however it is fitted on the halogen bulb base. This is why the beam pattern is all screwed up. This crazy scheme was invented by companies who wanted to turn a buck by offering you "real HID lights, that fit your car as is, with no modifications" . Sound too good to be true? It is. The re-based HID bulbs can not be properly focused in the halogen-housing, which creates horrible light output, blinds other drivers, and is generally just crap. The components they use in these kits are also absolute GARBAGE... but hey for $75 dollars what do you expect



Long story short, if you want modern day lighting you MUST use HID projectors (and high quality ones). Unfortunately they are not cheap, but in this case you get what you pay for. I'll post up some quotes from other members currently running these lights in their FD. The general consensus has been "once you use these you can never go back to anything else", "they are worth every penny" , and "they make driving at night enjoyable and confidence inspiring" .

fspos

Mark me down as interested w/ D2S bulb. Hope people come through, these look nice.
I should have the PayPal next week but I may do 50% to see where this goes.

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2. Fonzi581
3. Pele
4. Akagis_White_Comet
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6. MaczPayne
7. lemursama
8. FC3S1991
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10. therealmogwai
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14. KidA
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MadScience_7

Sent.

Come on guys, lets make this happen.