RotorMotor

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They are all d2s bulbs We only use OEM or OEM quality parts in this kit. The philips bulbs are actual OEM bulbs used on mercedes, lexus, jag, etc. This setup can't be beat, and I happily stand behind that.

KidA

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hustlin to try and get this money guys

Marshessn

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http://www.norcalmr2.com/pegasus/


Just sayin....

RotorMotor

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cheapest projectors, cheap HID bulbs, proprietary bulb base, cheap HID ballasts, weird light bleed above cutoff, narrow beam width, odd bright/dark spots... oh yeah and there is no high beam. You get what you pay for. If people wanted cheap crap we could happily make it, and turn a really nice profit on it and sell em by the truck load. Problem is, we don't sell junk. If you want a quality HID kit it's going to cost, if you want cheap crap please look elsewhere.

... just sayin

theorie

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Those are the $69 ebay "angel eye" projectors. They're made by HID Lighting Co. Ltd. of Hong Kong, and they're absolute pieces of crap.

I've seen those installed on a couple of cars and they look like garbage and the light output is garbage. They show you pictures of the cutoff up against a flat wall, but it's a long exposure photo that's been retouched to make it look nicer/brighter than in real life.

Also they don't use OEM quality bulbs or ballasts - just cheapo made in china parts. The wiring is crap, and the connectors are worse. I've seen numerous complains posted online about bulbs/ballasts going dead within only a few weeks after installing these.

Honestly, don't bother with those cheapo kits. You'll be kicking yourself in the end.

The SakeBomb kit is 1000% better quality and better light output. I'm making this statement after seeing both setups in person.

Marshessn

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While this all may be very true, I was just trying to figure out where the additional 500 dollars you're charging, over this kit, is going.

I think we have all seen threads about retrofits with the cheap ebay housings along with nicer projectors from The Retrofit Source. That route is fairly cheaper at about 350, half the cost you are asking.

I'm not trying to compare what you are making to what someone is making in their garage with jb weld and a dremel, but just trying to figure out why the cost is so high.

I would, as well as a few people I'm sure, consider these projectors a WHOLE lot more if the cost was about 500. I would only pay the cost you are asking if they were DOT certified and legal in 50 states. I feel like this kit is being offered to those who have a ton of money to throw at their car, but lack basic fundamental skills like ingenuity and the ability to try to create something that HASN'T been documented the same way on a forum 498573985 times.

I am impressed with your product, do not get me wrong. I think it's pretty sexy and I really like the light output. What made you chose to keep the chrome in the headlight? NO light is reflecting off of the chrome, and it's really pointless...

theorie

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^ try making a set yourself and you'll understand.

there is a ****-ton of labor involved in producing these. i've seen the step-by-step process and honestly, i would never want to do it myself.

once again you're still forgetting about the difference in quality. look at those other kits: they use china projectors, china bulbs, china ballasts, china wires, china connectors. now look at the parts that come with the sakebomb kit: there is no comparison. of course the nicer parts are going to cost more!

materials aside....come on, do you think sakebomb is going to put in all this time and effort to produce a kit and NOT MAKE ANY MONEY OFF IT? of course they are going to charge something - it's a lot of work to produce those kits and run the business. furthermore, these guys re-invest a lot of the profits into new product development. they're not greedy bastards trying to make a quick buck.

dude, wake up. call RE-Amemiya and ask them how much they spend on materials to make a part, and then ask them how much they sell the part for. obviously you can't, but really, think about it.

people pay more when they don't DIY for a reason: they are getting a plug & play ready to go kit, with support, warranty, etc.

if you want to DIY, go for it. but if you want to save yourself time and energy, and not have to worry about the quality of your work or the seal on the headlights or the wiring connections, etc. then feel free to buy their kit.

it's silly to act like they're somehow ripping people off. like i said, i've seen the kit, i've seen the build process, i've seen the materials, and i've seen the final product in action: people are getting an awesome setup for an awesome price. you can complain all day that the price is too much, but in reality you have three options if you want this setup: buy it from sakebomb, attempt to DIY, or don't get the kit.

---edit---

obviously there is no point arguing with this guy, check out his "-1" iTrader feedback:
https://www.rx7club.com/itrader.php?u=125855

yeah, he sure knows about business/selling stuff.

Scrub

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Why do people put carbon fiber accents on their cars? Why does the new Camaro SS come with a non functional hood vent? Why does 350z headlights have chrome in them when they use projectors? Everything I listed above are pointless, but yet automotive manufactures still include them on their cars.

If you paint the housing a different color then you have to deal with the paint potentially scratching off, and the chrome gives the headlight a factory appearance. You're just nit picking now.

BTW, the headlights in the link you posted also has a chrome housing.

Marshessn

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They do, but I figure for the price that is asked, I should at LEAST be able to choose what color my housings are =]

There is no point in stating "Well since someone else charges huge amounts of money over how much they actually buy the parts for, everyone can do that!"

"call RE-Amemiya and ask them how much they spend on materials to make a part, and then ask them how much they sell the part for. obviously you can't, but really, think about it."


I'm not trying to knock and I'm also not looking for what other brands/companies/people do with their pricing. I'm just trying to understand what makes this kit this much, especially for something that isn't DOT. I haven't once said it is a rip off, I just have a few questions...

Its like asking someone who has a car with torque, where they got the torque... I would be glad to break down my ls1 set up for anyone who is interested and list every detail of it. Especially when I am trying to help someone come to a decision. Yes, there are people who half-*** the swap for cheap and it is constantly breaking. However, there are those that do it right.

"if you want to DIY, go for it. but if you want to save yourself time and energy"
Time and energy IS MONEY. So if I get to spend a few days off making something better and cheaper, then where is my loss? =]

RotorMotor

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Well that's part of the reason why we don't make FC parts, and this may very well be our first and last experience w/ the FC community. We are not in the business of marking up cheap/junk parts and reselling them at a profit to unsuspecting kids. We make quality parts, no holds barred, with the best performance available. (just look at our oil cooler kits for example... only top shelf components all the way across, and CHEAPER than the competition which sells you less quality for more). We were weary (and still are) of making FC parts because FC owners (in general) have MUCH less money to spend on their cars than FD owners.

I'm not trying to hate on FC owners, but it is what it is. You gotta pay to play. If you think your car is cheap and dont want to drop decent money on it... DONT. It's that simple. We had 19 people sign up as wanting this setup, but so far have only received 2 full payments. With the FD guys we would have had most everyone fully paid up by now. This was my fear with getting involved with the FC crowd... people saying they want something but when the time comes to pay in they realize they can't. I don't have time for tire kickers and we're not here to "market" "push" or try to "up-sell" parts to anyone... we offer what we make and let people come to us if they want it.


It's called aesthetics

Sorry, this isn't burger king... we make one thing, and we make one thing well. That's it. If you want something different, please look elsewhere.



Based on your question you obviously have not researched any of this . Please do your research like we have. No modified lights can be DOT certified. Our beam pattern IS a DOT approved beam pattern, however in no instance can the lights be stamped DOT as there is a huge procedure and cost involved with that certification. The beam pattern IS however within DOT regulations, as compared to the lights you linked which would FAIL DOT. Again this is not a discussion thread but that's the quick answer. Please research the topic yourself.


First off that's a horrible analogy as most engine building shops wont share their porting templates for public use. This is because they spend a ton of time, research, and experimentation coming up with the final product... kinda like what we do with headlights Maybe the analogy works after all.

Your loss comes in when you do it wrong. Please remember that there are many steps that need to be done to make this work, which took many iterations of experimenting and templates to reproduce repeatedly. I won't go into them as I don't feel I have to defend my position... but it's apparent that you simply don't know what goes into making these lights based on the way you phrase your comments. By all means, go make your own lights... no one here is stopping you. Good luck.

If you want something made for you however, and you want cheap, poor performing, and ugly... please go elsewhere. I'm not sure what your goal is here cause you obviously have no interest in the setup. Please remember this is a group buy thread, and not a discussion thread. This thread is meant for people who are interested in buying the parts we produce, please take comments, criticism, links to other lights, etc elsewhere. I'm happy to talk about our stuff or debate pros and cons.... but here is not the place.

Thank you for your cooperation.
-Heath

Marshessn

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Glad to see you could be so hasty at your decision to judge whether the fact was that I was interested in the lights or not. I do have the money to do it right and I was very interested to see how you could handle my criticism; You're belittlement is not very becoming.

You shouldn't assume that someone is not interested due to criticism. I want positive feedback about the things I am talking about, not defensiveness. After all, I was about to shovel over 800 bucks.

You scour this forum for FC owners that want to spend money? Have you taken a look at the 2nd gen forum/subforums? Its just a bunch of mexicans asking why their cars won't start. There are forums for the finer FC bunch. This is not the place and please don't make such assumptions that there are no FC owners who wish to "do it right."

Feel free to have a mod delete all the discussion about these lights if you see fit and carry on with your group buy. I hope, for your sake, it goes well for you. I feel as though you might have a little better luck on other forums pertaining to our cars, even sites that promote No Rotors in the car.

RotorMotor

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i dont delete posts... im a very open and honest person and encourage discussion (just not this much directly in a GB thread). When have never scoured the forum for FC owners! I've never posted a single thread in the FC section, and the only reason the interest thread was even started was because of tons of emails from FC owners begging us to to a FC setup like the FD. Honestly, we are extremely active in the FD community but we are not out trying to market these lights (hence the lack of any sort of advertising or publicity on our part). Dan and I are too busy with FD stuff to try to find buyers on other sites for these lights... we're building these as a favor to the FC owners who requested them.

BTW I'm not mexican so I'm not personally offended but please leave any racial comments at the door...

Scrub

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We were asked to create this headlight kit by the FC community and we stated the pricing in the interest thread and received no complaints. Since the majority of our products are designed for the 3rd gen Rx-7 we do not frequent the other 2nd gen forums (yes I know no rotors is a v8 rx7 forum ) Your first post was not criticism, it was posted to get a response.

You're right time and energy is money and we've spent quite a bit of time just responding to your posts There is no loss doing it yourself, we've stated a bunch of times that we support DIYers; but we have also come under the scrutiny of DIY people for our prices. A lot of time the R&D aspect of our products does not come into consideration. Retrofitting headlights takes a lot of time when done right so that's where the extra cost comes in; trust me we are not making anywhere near $500 on each kit we sell.

edit: i see heath has responded too.

Roen

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Alright guys, points have been made on both sides.

Please keep discussion outside of the group buy thread.

If you feel like continuing this discussion, please make a thread elsewhere in the appropriate section.

MaczPayne

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Just posted my 50% Deposit, or close to it! Let me know if you require anything else. Let's get this train rolling!

RotorMotor

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wooo wooo! I'll get the payment list updated shortly.


To everyone on the list who has not yet responded in this thread or PMed me:

I'll also be sending another PM out to the other half of people on the list who have not yet responded either way. Out of the 18 people that were interested, only 8 have posted or contacted me back with a payment, intentions to pay, or deciding to drop out. We just need to know which category the other HALF of the people on the list are in. We usually have a 5% or so drop out rate with the FD guys between interest and GB with good communication from most if not all of the members... but as of now we already have 10% that have dropped out with over 50% simply not responding... I feel like I'm teaching community college (no offense)

MaczPayne

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None taken!

Archangels

i'm going to have to drop out, i dont have that kind of coin to throw around....

MadScience_7

Boo.

Otaku

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Makes me wish I had flip ups again.... bah

Scrub

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Ok guys here is what we have so far. If you are on this list and DO NOT want a set of headlights please remove your name. We would like to get an accurate count of who is really interested.

GB List:
1. BurntOrangeT2 /
2. Fonzi581 /
3. Pele /
4. Akagis_White_Comet /
5. Hozzmanrx7 /
6. MaczPayne / (aftermarket bulbs) $380 deposit
7. lemursama /
8. FC3S1991 /
9. RX710thAE /
10. therealmogwai /
11. Yodichkas / PAID
12. cone_crushr /
13. KidA /
14. 87TIIFC /
15._crazy_crazy_ /
16. MadScience_7 / PAID
17. fspos /

Thanks,
Dan

Tanj!

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GB List:
1. BurntOrangeT2 /
2. Fonzi581 /
3. Pele /
4. Akagis_White_Comet /
5. Hozzmanrx7 /
6. MaczPayne / (aftermarket bulbs) $380 deposit
7. lemursama /
8. FC3S1991 /
9. RX710thAE /
10. therealmogwai /
11. Yodichkas / PAID
12. cone_crushr /
13. KidA /
14. 87TIIFC /
15._crazy_crazy_ /
16. MadScience_7 / PAID
17. fspos /
18. Tanj!/

Also interested in the Miata light for the FB even with the fitting issue. Have some questions about that though in the interest thread.

RotorMotor

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Hopefully I answered the questions you had in the other thread. I'm taking your name off of the current list as this GB is for FC lights only. The miata project is currently on hold as we have too many things going on at the moment to do them all at the same time.

1. BurntOrangeT2 /
2. Fonzi581 /
3. Pele /
4. Akagis_White_Comet /
5. Hozzmanrx7 /
6. MaczPayne / (aftermarket bulbs) $380 deposit
7. lemursama /
8. FC3S1991 /
9. RX710thAE /
10. therealmogwai /
11. Yodichkas / PAID
12. cone_crushr /
13. KidA /
14. 87TIIFC /
15._crazy_crazy_ /
16. MadScience_7 / PAID
17. fspos /
18.

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MaczPayne

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Keep pestering them, Heath!

yeti

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I really try not to make excuses. But if at the moment I wasn't between jobs I would get these, I'm about 80% sure of that. Anyway do not break the mold. I'll pay the full price later (can't say when but hopefully within the year) since I'm going to miss this GB.