apreludem

usmcjsy:
dont worry man..you didnt offend me, i was just trying to make a point, Its all up to taste. I do agree that when you remove the rotary from the rx7 it no longer has the same rx7 spirit like it did. Also it is true that motor swaping has been around for a long time, and damn its fun trying out new things. I, personaly, want to make my rx7 go real fast with the rotary motor.

PS. anyone interested in the pics of my cars?

usmcjsy

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Ok I guess we can set a race up with you and the RX7.Com street car with a 13B rotary, since RX7s with V8s are faster...according to you anyway. You never said faster than a lot of RX7s you flat out said faster so I guess you can beat every 13B RX7 out there huh BogusFile? The only thing bogus is the crap spewing out your mouth. Also if anyone is interested there is a V8 RX7 on Auto Trader. Its only been on there for about 6 months now. Go into Auto Trader Search under RX7 86-91 and $0-7K and any distance you will find it. It has been on there forever I guess that does not say much for there retail value either. Also BOGUS not seeing a dramatic diffrence in N/A motors why does Hondas 2.0 in the S2000 put out 240H.P its N/A. What does Chevys ECOTEC $ cyl put out? THe RX8 has 1.3 liter putting out 250 HP what American built N/A motor in a production car is putting out that type of power to C.I. Ratio? Lets do a little math and see if GM could put that kinda power out N/A with there 350 where we would be sitting. Well that means your N/A Chevy 350 should be putting out right around 1,064 H.P. Is that what you have BOGUS? Since there is not gonna be much difffrence in N/A motors thats where you should be sitting. Even if you go buy what the S2000 is putting out per C.I. You should have right around 700 H.P. N/A bone stock. Even for example a 91 N/A RX7 BONE STOCK put out 2 H.P. per C.I. Your 350 even against that measure should put out 700H.P. Face it buddy you would have to dump more $$ than you have into your 350 to get that kinda output N/A no NOS no Supercharger no Turbo. Ya you could probably get close to 500H.P. with a supercharger or a blower and or a shot of NOS. THen you will also lower your reliability. Which when push comes to shove meaning sustained High RPMS I think most V8s will fold. your argument is WEAK BOGUS! Just like your BOGUS X7.

usmcjsy

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Apreludem:
Thanks for understanding what I said, and what I meant by it. Ya I would like to see some pics of your cars. usmcjsy@msn.com, so you have a S2000? Those cars are amazing. A 9000 RPM redline on a piston engine only Honda could do that with a production car. Honda is gonna be a company to keep an eye on in the performance world. Rumor has it that the Acura NSX could possibly be having a 500 H.P. 4.2 Liter V8? DO you know anyhting about this? I read it in Super Street last spring I belive it was maybe a May issue? I dont know but I do remeber reading a article about the Acura NSX and the Toyota Supra with a V8. Small V8 at that about the size of domestic 6's. People that say such stupid things like there is not much difference in N/A cars are just stupid I see tons of difference. I see some engines almost identical size but 1 car company squeezing about an extra 100HP out of the same displacment. I like the RX personally because its probably one of the cheaper performance cars plus I love almost everything about the rotary. If I had cash though I would look at a S2000 or a Supra or somthing. Iam sure you know but there is also a Turbo kit that is now available for the S2000. I bet that makes one hell of a ride Anyway this thread is funny. I still cannot believe some people said the V8 makes no difference in handling when the engineers at Mazda said even the V6 would throw off the balmce of the car. I mean the guys who make these cars are smart and have wind tunnels and test grounds and everything they are good at physics and math and all that and we have people who plop a V8 in the engine bay and say its just as good as ever. Why then not make the RX8 a MX8 and put a piston motor in it? Why has Mazda alway chosen the Rotary for there Flagship cars? I guess if these V8 people were right why does Mazda just not do it from the factory? Thats all I wanna know. Why do I constantly download street racing clips form Kazaa and see about a 50/50 win ratio with the RX VS V8 cars to include new Vettes. IO even seen a RX beat a Viper on Kazaa. I would just love to see one of these guys with a V8 seven up against the RX7.COM car which is street legal with all factory glass, seats stereo and so on. No it is not a stock RX but neither is there V8 sevens. Also why don't these RX7 places put V8 in there cars? Why do they stick with the 13B? I just wanna know why? Well to each there own. I agree with that statment and thank God Mazda still believes in creating true lightweight sports cars and does not have these guys designing their cars LOL!

BogusFile

Ok..... you are missing my point by a long shot. I am saying that a V8 RX-7 has more speed potential than one with a rotary. Im not saying that my 4500 dollar investment is faster than Ari yallons car which undoubtedly costed a small fortune. I'd bet a million dollars that he goes through motors faster than I go through a set of rear tires. The guy who built my motor mounts and crossmember has a streetable 9 second V8 RX-7 that could most definetely beat Ari Yallon. He has about 12000 dollars invested into it.
BRB

Mizeru

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usmcjsy

You have no REAL understanding of cars do you? Everything you say comes from Superstreet and Import Tuner right? You talk about the RX7.com FD like it's some kind of god. What does that thing runs like 9's right? Do realize how many V8 cars(Mustangs, Camaros, etc) are running faster than that? Do you realize that if you took HALF the money that's in that car and built a V8 RX-7 it would toast the RX7.com FD?

You have bad experience with a LS1 and all of a sudden rotaries are the most powerful engines on earth. You talk about HP per CI...BIG DEAL! You could have 100 HP per CI, but if you only have 1CI you still only have 100 HP. It about HP per lb NOT HP per CI! HP per lb of car is what makes 1/4 mile times. Don't even get me started on TORQUE! Don't even get me started on HP per DOLLAR! Then you talk about REVS like that's the end all be all of speed...PLEASE! REVS mean nothing if you don't have torque. Either way V8s can REV to 6K...you talk like they are limited to 3K or something. It's sad to see someone so clueless about the basics.

BogusFile

What I meant by saying "You are not going to see that dramatic of a difference when working with Naturally aspirated motors." is that the power level will not be changed as dramatically as a turbo charged car with simple mods like exhaust, intake, and so on.

BogusFile

With a Naturally aspirated motor like that of a S2000, or a Z06 you are going to have to spend some serious cash to get a substantial increase in N/A HP. With a Turbo car you can upgrade the Turbo, intercooler, and of course whatever else you will need to do to compensate for the additional boost. BTW there are many naturally aspirated Small blocks(no nos) that have 700hp and some of them are running around on the streets. Stop making comparisons that are invalid and have no point what so ever.

allenbillings

First, you didn't get it completely right. You are correct in saying that the 'R' in RX7 stands for rotary, but you need to add that the 'X' originally (and as far as I'm concerned, still does) stand for eXperimental!! Yep. My friend was a Mazda service manager for years. That's what he was told.

Like I said in my previous post, the power plant does NOT define the entire car. An RX7 with another power plant is STILL an RX7!! I know that Granny's has gotten a lot of bad press here and I have not done business with them, yet. However, when someone engineers a conversion so well that everything pretty much bolts in and uses the original gauges and interior pieces, I have to give them credit. I have seen many conversions that require extensive welding and modifications to the original design. What would you call a Camaro with a rotary in it?? I'd still call it a Camaro.

Second and last, (no noffense meant here) try to type a little slower when your hormones flare!! I can't believe that anyone could misspell or misuse that many words and leave out that many punctuation marks. REALLY, I'm not trying to be a smart ***. I just think that you could be taken more seriously if you made your posts more readable.

Sorry if I offended you. I'm done with this discussion. You may all applaud now.

usmcjsy

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Man I like all the tuff guys in here. You guys are right you totally persuaeded me to buy that RX7 with a V8 in it off Auto Trader. Only one more ? why are cars that have V8s in them dropping from the market like FLYS? COuld it be because they suck ***! I added up the parts they have in the RX7.COM car and it is under 10k You are talking about a aluminum block that alone is $4K according to the very fist post on this thread, then a decent set of aluminum head will be around $1200 to $1500 then a intake set up and headers motor mounts the pistons and rods and oil pump and so on and so on. Also MR. Allen Billings the one that has a picture of a RX7 Tractor, I would expect nothing less from a hick like you trying to defend the V8. Please go to Kazza and download the race between the RX7 and C5 Vette it is hilarious to watch the Vette LOSE! You V8 guys with 5+ liter engines do you have any excuse when you lose to a 4 banger or a rotary besides you suck? As far as Import tuner and Street and Strip yes I do read them, As far as how I started my interest in the Jap Crap is because I lived in Japan for a year and was impressed with what I was seeing these cars with little motors doing. I USED to be a V8 guy but they are probably the most common engine on the face of the earth. As far as 700 HP N/A V8's I know they exist and I know the price tag to buy or build one. Oh ya the Drag Racing V8s run all season long with out ever being rebuilt thats straight up BULLSHIT if I have ever heard it. Also RX7.COM is not replacing there motor after every run. Do your ****** homework or just call and talk to them they will tell ya how often they re-build there motor.
Bogus you dirty **** Sucker you my points are valid and dont tell me what to do unless you are personally gonna come to Fargo and shut me up in person you little worm. I can't believe how brave some people are behind a keyboard. I would whoop ya like the dot com RX would whoop your Hillbilly Conversion You still wanna call a RX7. Also as far as the Camaro goes ya put a Rotary in it and go ask the Chevy guys if thats still a Camaro and they would probably spit some Beech Nut in your eye and beat you down before they drag you down a gravel road in there F-150. If you guys do not like the rotary or the RX7 then dont visit the site. Most people here seem to talk more about the Rotary just as much as the car if not more. To hear some Greasy Red Neck say the Japanese designers of the RX are wrong when they say what affects the handling of the car is just ludicris. If V8s were gods gift to the car industry every single sports car would have them. They are basically a cheap *** lazy way to provide some 1/2 *** decent HP it take no brains what so ever to get 300 HP out of a V8. You people need to sell your 7s and go buy Camaros or Mustangs.
Ya the V8 may be cheaper than the Rotary if you go out and buy yourself a junkyard jewel but if you buy a real high performance V8 thats all aluminum your gonna be spending some dough. I forgot though you guys are the smartest we got damn Rocket Scientists in here I guess driving 2nd Gen RXs with V8s plopped in em. Give me a break! Once again maybe you guys should get ahold of Mazda and tell them to start dropping 290 HP V8s in the RX8 instead of the 250 HP Rotary. I am sure they will stop everything and get right to it. The Japanese car market has not gotten to where its gotten by being stupid. To get Americans to buy there product after world war II you know that it had be by far superior to our domestics to over come the hatred that still lingers today. By the way yes V8s are fast Toyota currently has a Funny Car with over 6000 HP which is very impressive but Im sure that motor is being rebuilt daily. As far as the local street races are concerned though give me the rotary with a Turbo. Like I said the day a Rotary is built to match C.I. with a V8 will be a day no one here can argue who the Boss is. The Rotary would mop that 8 with no problem. I will admit I do like the V8s they are good competion for the Rotary but not every V8 powered car is mopping up every Rotary and 4cyl out there. If they were nobody would be buying these turbo 4s and Rotarys. There is somthing that is a little more fun about winning a race with a motor thats at displacment disadvantage. I live in ND this here is Farm Country and people here think C.I only and it is fun watching the 8s lose to the smaller Jap motors. Well I dont know if I will waste my time on this thread anymore so you can bash me all ya want now. I feel like I am talking to the Audience of HEE HAW in this thread.

usmcjsy

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One more thing to BOGUS Torque? Its not as important as you think. If torque was the awnswer I would drop a diesel out of a cat in my car. Besides you sound like a little bitch.."Don't get me started" Dont even get me started. Thats how a dumb bitch talks! Maybe you and Farmer billings who wants to turn his RX into a tractor should get together. You could be his bitch then again he might not find you as attractive as his sheep. To all the Rotary lovers that come on here don't waste your time in this thread. I think Cooter from the Dukes of Hazard created this thread and these guys are know it alls. You will never drive your point home and there V8 RX7s are the fastest thing to ever have been driven on the road. Funny though I watch Drag Racing a lot and have yet to see a V8 RX7 out there. Maybe these guys should go out there and show em all up and show em how its really done.

BogusFile

Don't even get me started.

allenbillings

You don't know me and I don't know you, yet you call me a hick because I pick a humorous avatar!! Just like a jar head!!
Your english is attrocious, your profanity takes away any credibility you might have ever had, and I wonder if you even finished high school.
You don't even know how old I am or what my experience/background is. Ever run an engine dyno for a living? I have!! Ever work on experimental engines? I have!! Ever work as a machinist? I have!!
You attack anyone who doesn't share your ideas. Hot rodders have been doing engine swaps since the beginning. When someone modifies a car (in the case of the RX7 many cars), it should be seen as a compliment to that particular automobile.
Let me know when they make a rotary that will run and pass emissions for 200,000+ miles and I'll put it in my Chevy.
As far as coming to Fargo to kick your ***......Even I'm not that much of a hick!! Besides, based on your writing ability and powers of cognitive reasoning, I would have to show you where it is BEFORE I kicked it!

BogusFile

I couldn't have said it better. I myself have worked on cars for a living, and I have come across alot of know it alls in the shop. You just learn to ignore them, even when they try to make it personal.

usmcjsy

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Ok for one there I have seen rotarys go past 200,000 miles. Once again I am not an english teacher and this website says its the home of ROTARY ENTHUSISTS. It says nothing about V8 Enthusist.
Anyway I may need a little help finding the 700HP N/A 350 I have been looking through all my old Hot Rod and Car Craft mags and managed to turn up none. So please if you find one let me know the issue and what magazine.
Howerver I did find some other stuff. I found a Motor Trend from March 2000 that has the LINGENFELTER 650 HP Twin Turbo Vette.
I also found a Car Craft from Jan 2000 with the grudge match between Jon Moss and his Camaro and John Coletti with his Mustang.
I also found my Turbo Magazine from Sept 2000 which features the RX7.COM car
Now when I said I was impressed with the RX7.COM car I said I was impressed with it as a STREET CAR, meaning interior, glass and so on was not tampered with it it still has the factory stereo for christ sake. I believe bogus said it was slow. Well I beg to differ. I will agree that yes TOP FUEL and FUNNY cars with V8's will blow any import away except for the Toyota Celica Funny Car. I guess since this has become a spelling B and no one can just type on sheer emotion and make few mistakes in there haste to be taken seriously I am gonna post what I have found for HP and 1/4 mile time for these four cars. Anyone who does not believe me I told you what magazine and the date of the magazine you can fin it in. I suppose that you 2 bozo's that are machinists and what not can build a faster car than John Lingenfelter, or Jon Moss from GM, and John Coletti from Ford. Remember I am talking street legal cars not full Dragsters. For this reason this is why I FEEL the Rotary is the best choice for a street racer. Ok let check these times out.
1. RX7.COM
Engine:13B Turbo
HP: 645
Torque: 470 LBS-FT
1/4 mi W/O slicks 10.01 sec@142mph
1/4 mi W/slicks 9.62sec@144mph
Yallon:"this car has always kept to the philosiphy of remaining streetable" "You would think this car would see more strip than street not true" "since the RX7 is a street car it makes most of it passes under the street class banner"
2.Twin Turbo Vette
Engine:350 Twin Turbo
HP:650
Torque:600LBS-FT
1/4 mi W/O slicks 11.8@132.1
1/4 mi W/slicks 10.8@133.5
3.Jon Moss Camaro
Engine:580 C.I.
HP:770
Torque:683LB-FT
1/4 mi: W/slicks 11.01@128.64mph
4.John Coletti Mustang
Engine:598 C.I.
HP:855
Torque:794LB-FT
1/4 mi W/slicks: 10.55sec@135.05
Note: Mustang only made one pass while the Camaro got to make several, due to the fact the Mustangs motor let go after the 1st pass.
Ok now these are the facts not my biased opinion. These articles and time can be found again in the following magazines: Car and Driver Jan 2000, Turbo Sep 2000, and Motor Trend March 2000. All cars listed were street legal, and street registered and so on. Obviously none of these cars were bone stock other than the body, interior and the such. I just wanted to point out that Just H.P. and Torque does not guarntee a faster car. Nor does a V8. The RX7.COM was faster on its street tires in the 1/4 than any of the V8 cars on slicks. It also did have less HP and Torque. It was however very close in HP to the Twin Turbo Vette. The Rotary was however a LOT smaller in size. It is for this reason I am hangin in with the Rotary it has proven it self time and time again as far as Street Racing and Drag Racing in the Street Class. I will never own or drive a top fuel or funny car. If I would ever drive top fuel or a funny car I would agree the V8 is the best choice, but Iam not. So I suppose you guys are gonna go show up Lingenfelter. Then I suppose you will show up Moss who is the manager of GMs special vehicles dept and then next you will show up Coletti who is the head of Fords special vehicle dept.
Please anyone who does not believe these times I posted please look at the Magazines I got this information from. Also sheer HP and torque do not matter alone there is a lot more to consider obviously such as how wide the powerband is and so on.
From the information I just posted we can see how amazing the little wankle is if a little effort and patience is used to research diffrent Turbo options and so on. The Rotary here was pitted against V8 motors as big as 598 C.I. and 855 H.P. and yet with almost 200 less H.P. and 300 less LB-Ft of torque she managed to pull a faster time.
Personally I think the Rotary is better balanced, I think those big V8s with gobs of H.P. and Torque just could not hook up. Now if a Vette, Camaro and Mustang cannot hook up and they were built for a V8 how in the world is the RX gonna hook up? Well once again I am sure I am wrong the designers of the RX7 are wrong and every other Rotor head out there is wrong. I am sure the Magazines are wrong to.
One more thing to Allen Billings ya I am a Jar Head, I never brought that up but you decided it was best to slander the Marine Corps and the other branches of service. Shame on you slimey pig! Why did you have to do that? If you wanted to rip on me fine but you had to go bring up the Marine thing before you started hackin into me. Therefore it looks like your hackin on the Corps. The men and women of the armed forces don't need people like you hackin on em. So what you were saying was Marines are stupid, you must cuz you said I was a jarhead and I was stupid and I probably did not even graduate high school. So you put the Jarheads in the same category as drop outs and dumb asses. I will admit I type a little fast and have run on sentences and so on but come on man. Its not cool to bag on the Marines or any other branch of service. Afterall they provide the very blanket of freedom in which you sleep under. So next time you wanna bag on me, bag on me and leave the rest of my branch of service or anyone elses out of it. Have a little respect for these people tis is a car forum and we are all on here just shootin the **** and giving people ****. Thats all it is, if you cant take a little mud slinging then dont come here. It's all in fun. I am sure you are great guy and know a lot about cars. My friends and I are always givin each other **** about each others cars, if we did'nt it would be a long winter here in Fargo for us car guys as the roads got black ice and snow and so on. We won't have ideal racing conditions again till probably may. So we spend the winter working on our cars trying to out do each other and beat the guy who was fastest last year. Anyway chill out

Icemark

Last I checked Mexico and Canada are in North America, making any car produced there an American car and assembled with American labor.

Now before you get your panties in a bunch, I know you meant US domestic. Yes the Mazda 626 or Toyota Tacoma has more US manufactured parts than a Chevy Pickup... making them a Domestic car more so than a majority of the GM products out there, and that is a shame, but more the UAW's fault than the manufactures.

allenbillings

I was NOT picking on your branch of the service, but I see I finally got your attention! This IS an open forum for cars on which we share a passion. This time you managed to get your point across without too many direct slams at other races, religions, cultures and even me.
I believe my work here is done. I think that you have finally gotten the point.

usmcjsy

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Yes I believe with my last posting stating times and HP and Torque from other cars we all got the point. The point is each car and each driver is diffrent. Not always will a V8 prevail nor will a Rotary always prevail. The point is just by dropping a V8 into a RX7 is it gonna be faster than RX7 with a Rotary somtimes maybe all the time never. Thats what makes street racing fun. No one really knows whats gonna happen when to perfect strangers pull up to the line for the 1st time. Each has there own mods and set up they think will work best.
Earlier I stated the R stands for Rotary and sombody else said the X stood for Experimental, I don't know if thats right or wrong but as far as I am concerned racing and building any car for racing is experimental. Good Luck to all of you on your projects no matter what you choose to do. Is all I ask is please do not put down the Rotary, and you will not entice this type of debate and the lengths it has went to with my little research project. I would also bet that by people not putting the Rotary down and saying it sux and so on you will find the Rotary crowd a little more friendly towards the V8 crowd. Also I never meant to offend anyone based on race, sex, religion and so on. I know I spoke of some geographical locations and I meant nothing personal by it. All I simply was stating is these locations have never been known for there educational backrounds and technological advances and so on...no fault of there own as the oppertunities just don't exist there.
Well Happy New Year everyone!
My New Year resolution is to not stop back in this thread again! The reason being everyone has there own beliefs which is the better powerplant for there car and there own reasons for believing it. Nothing I say will change the V8 lovers mind. Also there is nothing they can say that will ever change mine. So with that said I am saying Sayanora to this thread.

Felix Wankel

Big deal.

Final Race Results - July, 27-28th, 2002
Pro Street
Driver Car RT ET MPH
W MILT DECKER 63 VETTE 0.521 6.824 203.55
R RANDY ADLER 57CHEVY 0.609 6.738 199.67
Qualifying - Eliminations

Super Street
Driver Car RT ET MPH
W BILLY GLIDDEN 90 FOX-MUSTANG 0.515 7.698 170.58
R MARK ENWIA 92 MUSTANG 0.529 8.046 174.37
Qualifying - Eliminations

Nostalgia Pro Street
Driver Car RT ET MPH
W BOB ALEXANDER 93 MUSTANG 0.503 7.961 173.94
- MIKE FOULK 69 TORINO 0.526 8.174 167.61
Qualifying - Eliminations

Xtreme Street
Driver Car RT ET MPH
W TONY ORTS 68 FIREBIRD 0.444 8.563 160.58
R ERNIE PARISON 90 MUSTANG 0.507 8.679 160.52
Qualifying - Eliminations

Pro Stock
Driver Car RT ET MPH
W DAN PAOLINI 94 CAMARO 0.584 9.382 145.45
R CHRIS URATCKO 69 CAMARO 0.615 9.582 143.11
Qualifying - Eliminations

True Street
Driver Car RD 1 RD 2 RD 3 AVG
W Greg Edwards 1967 Camaro 9.288 9.343 9.444 9.358
R Craig Zoetmulder 1980 CJ-7 Jeep 11.202 11.204 11.23 11.210
Qualifying - Eliminations

Cheap Street
Driver Car RT ET MPH
W JEREMEY TAYLOR 66 NOVA 0.527 9.884 133.96
R JAY CANELLA 62 NOVA 0.557 10.012 133.94
Qualifying - Eliminations

Open Comp
Driver Car RT DI ET MPH
W SHANE FOUGHT 95 MUSTANG 0.516 11.63 11.617 113.08
R SCOTT LAWS 82 MUSTANG 0.511 10.71 10.670 119.73
Qualifying - Eliminations

Nostalgia Super Stock
Driver Car RT DI ET MPH
W JOE EWING 63 DODGE 0.528 10.50 10.535 119.61
R JEFF PUCKETT 67 PONT TEMPEST 0.527 11.00 11.037 120.62
Qualifying - Eliminations

Steel

"the rotary was selected, first for compactness and power potential, but also for heritage. Said Yamamoto: "To forsake the rotary would be losing our identity. The RX-7 could not and would not exist without the rotary." "

take it however you want.

Bridgeported

I'm not going to get into the whole V8 -vs- Rotary argument, but will refer back to the original post instead.

$4000 for an aluminum block? Ouch. $4000 is a lot of money to save 100 lbs.

How am I supposed to run 25 psi on that aluminum block anyway! :P

usmcjsy

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Felix:
You dipped into the Pro Class with your last round of time quotes. Here is a Rotary powered car in the Dec 2001 issue of Turbo. It is in the Pro Class, it is SIGUEL RACING RX7 it does the 1/4 mi in 7.33sec@179MPH. All with out the need for Pistons or GIGANTIC C.I. There is somthing to be said like I said before for a car that can produce these time with a engine under 150 C.I. So congrats we have sombody in here who could find a few V8s that could do somthing. Let those Camaro guys and Mustang guys take what ever ford or GM has to offer under 150 C.I. and produce a run of 7.33@179MPH or better and then I will be impressed.

Steel: Well all I can say is it's nice to find another true Rotary fan in this RX7 club. Amen
I do recall stating earlier that I do not belive the Rotary is the fastest nor do I belive a V8 is the fastest. I do believe a Rotary with its 1.3 liters however can make a V8 look pretty stupid. I mean where I come from everyone thinks C.I. so if I do lose with my rotary that was expected because to them I have a huge disadvantage with so small a motor. However when I win the V8 guy looks pretty stupid and his car looks like crap for losing to such a small jap motor. It is also for this reason I have had people not want to race my RX with there V8 powered cars because the shame that will fall upon them if they should lose. SO once again I feel that C.I. per C.I the rotary kicks *** and the V8 with its huge amount of C.I. makes it a worthy competitor for the rotary and this will probably be grudge match that will continue for somtime. Also where in a Magazine can I find a V8 RX7 and time that it is running in the1/4? I mean I dont wanna call anyone a liar but I do not like just taking sombodys word for this sort of stuff.
One more thing to Felix Wankel, could you please post the sizes of the engines and the HP and Torque each of those car had on that earlier post of yours? I mean thats what I did just so people could see the engine size and HP and Torque output. I just find it interesting to see what recipie some people are using to get there car they chose to run the times they ran. Either way thanks for your post. I found it very educational. I doubt I will ever pull up to one of these guys or anyone like them as I am guessing most of there cars are trailered in. I know SOME of those where under the original street class but I doubt most of them drove in there raced and then drove away from the track after, I think they are probably trailer queens. Anyway once again you to have failed to persuade me over to the V8s argumenbt as I am still seeing the rotarys running right in stride with them. Thanks Again! Over and Out

usmcjsy

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One more thing about size and #s. China has a lot more people and a lot bigger military than our own. According to the V8 guys does this mean we would lose a war to China? Or would the U.S with its technological advances and strategies payoff if that ever were to come about? My personal opinion I think our smaller smarter and more technologial advanced force would win. I could be wrong thats just my thought.
By the way no need to tell me this is far off the original topic I KNOW. Just thought it would be a good comparison on #s and size VS. Technology and design. I could be wrong maybe China would whoop us. I just have a feeling they would not. I think they would be a bitch to fight but I think when the dust settled our smaller, lighter and more technology advanced force would prevail.

BlackSport0187

A LS1 6spd Fbody would most cetainly smoke a Series 5 NA RX-7 (off the line). Any engine will wear out over time, even piston engines! Do you expect your rotary to run forever?

Isaac

BlackSport0187

How to fix the wiper switch problem is well documented and inexpensive. I figure most people are too lazy to fix it though, I know I have been.

Isaac

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Ok I did mention he did have a full racing beat exhaust including header, cold air intake and so on. Also there is a vicious rumour going around that the RX7 may be making a come back. I saw it on rotarynews.com If the Camaro was such a good deal why did it disapprear from the market? Why does the Camaros resale plummet? When I look at resale value I see a 93 RX holding up better than 93 Camaro.
As far as 88 SE is concerned with his electrical problem of the wiper switch, he brings it up as if Mazda had some serious problems with their electronics. Ok your car is 15 yrs old not 3 yrs old your gonna have some problems SE. Buy a new harness and switch as thats what Mazda Trix recommends doing and they sell both the switch and harness.
Also Blacksport have you ever driven a LS1 Camaro? If so you would know they hook up like ****. They are not as well balanced as the RX7. True I may not be the best driver either. Has anyone in here priced out a new LS1? Or how about a used one? For the HP it delivers I do not find that whole swap worth it.
It is still funny watching people pit the latest in V8 Technology against 8-17 yr old rotarys. Does anyone know how much the new rotary weighs? I don't and would be interested in knowing. I think people in here should look at the new renisis motor for a swap before a 8cyl. They are already working on turbo setups for them right now.
I kindly ask to the V8 lovers to please sell your RX7s before you start butchering them to a Rotary lover. Go buy yourselves your Camaro or Mustang you defend so highly on this RX7Club. You people come into the RX7 website and talk about your V8s.
There is nothing special about a V8 RX7, they will join the ranks of such other cars I have seen with a V8 plopped in them. I have seen the following with V8s: Chevette, S-10s, Fiero and so on. It is no longer that original to put a V8 in anything.
Also one more time for the RECORD, YES THE LS1 did WIN over the 91 N/A is all I said is it was really nothing to brag about considering how much newer my Camaro was and how much bigger the LS1 is than the Rotary. Please Black Sport read the whole post. I am impressed with the Rotary. I don't see why in a RX7 website that says somthing on the homepage of being the largest gathering of rotary enthusiasts why I feel like I have to constantly keep comming back to this thread to defend this motor. I will say it once again yes V8s are powerfull and fast but they do it in such a Neandrathal way through sheer size alone. While the Rotary along with a few 4 bangers can get damn close to the same in HP somtimes even higher in HP, when I see that I know the person or car company who designed and built that motor have some real smart people working for them.
Lets flip this coin and pit a new 4 banger up against a 87 vette the 87 Vette had 240 HP. The 84 only had 205 HP these are 350 V8s. Now lets look at the 2.0 4 banger in the S2000 N/A 240 HP. Now the V8 guys can see what I mean about pitting a 97 or newer LS1 VS a 91 Rotary. THe new Mustang still with 4.6 liter only has 260 HP, 20 more HP than the S2000 and yet it is not as fast as the 2000. Granted people will mod the 4.6 and get probably around 300+ some even more. On the other hand there is turbo kit now available for the S2000 so puts thingsright back to square one. So keep on arguing I don't care but the fact is for all practical purposes of building a sweet handling car and good street racer it is tough to beat new 4 cyl and any turbo rotary. With the renisis comming out some V8s in stock form are gonna have a hell of a time beating the new N/A renisis in stock form.
Why does everyone in here think they can out do the original designers of the RX7? I mean if Mazda thought a V8 would be best in their car they would put it in there. For all streetable purposes I feel you can get the same realisitic HP form the rotary as you can the V8. Unless your a pro drag racer and your daily job consists of doing nothing more than building your car the rotary will remain very competive against the V8 crowd. The usual joe on the street who did all the easy mods such as swap heads, intake manifold, cam, headers and so on. With a turbo you just buy a bigger turbo upgrade the fuel and so on and crank up the boost and let her rip. Well I am sure I will have to come back in here now to keep defending "the little engine that can" whoop up on some V8 ***.