1point3liter

pfft... that's autocrossable.. what you talk talkin bout willis?

I can't believe he completely screwed up the "best handling car in the world."
Hinson sold the FD RX7's soul to the devil. damn him.

wingsfan

Feeling punchy today Bryan?

I guess a 'glide is autocrossable, you only need the one gear anyways.

academytim

Here's a vid of the single turbo LS1 FD at a local track. This is the same day he ran the 10.6 @ 132. He was running consistent mid 10s all day on drag radials.

http://homepage.mac.com/timrogers3/iMovieTheater4.html

I talked to the guy that day and he was essentially running a stock block LS1 with 7psi on that turbo. He was only figuring that he was making mid 400whp...500 at the absolute most. Maybe since then he's done some other stuff to make some more power...but that day, he was estimating ~450. I've seen Hinson's car run a 10.1 @ 14x spraying his original setup. The "calculated" 1/4 mile taken from his 6.0 @ 112 1/8 mile run might seem a little slow for 691 rwhp...however, I'm sure the MPH would be higher if he wouldn't have cut a 1.2-1.3 60ft. His setup with just the juice is easily into the 9s...we'll see what he can do with the turbos and the powerglide. If he doesn't at least hit high 8s...I will be very surprised. But who knows, like you said...last minute projects never seem to work out as expected. Just look at the Ultimate Street Car Shootout results with the Gotham Racing prepped FD.

1point3liter

I'm optimistic. I bet it makes 1500 "estimated hp", runs 7's, and takes home autocross trophies.

There are some things I like about the setup, and others that i don't. I like seeing all cars run the way they should and make their owners happy, but a peeve of mine is when people make claims before there are results. Especially on something like that video. Hinson has a knack for doing it. I've met him and lane in person on a couple different accounts. They seem like good guys and I understand the claims are for marketing reasons, but I guess where I come from and race you don't say it'll do it until it happened.

So in a sense i'd like to see it fail to meet the claims and in other respects I'd like to see it prove the rotards wrong and run like hinson and lane hope.

1point3liter

I was refering to the 1.38 60' with a 132mph trap speed and only ET'ing 10.6. I almost agree with you on the power, but i think he was making something more in the 500rwhp range to trap 132mph.

Anyway, one thing stands.
Hinson will never having anything for Eric Cheetham's car. That thing is a 2300lb beast.

gnx7

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Kevin-

Your "estimations" of what the car will run are pretty off. He has run 9's with an LS1 and NOS with the powerglide... only in the 1/8th but a calculated mid 9 et. This is with the 3:90 gears/Kazz/300M axles and 1.4x 60' times.

A 3400lb Firebird with stock LS1 block/crank, good rods/pistons, ported production heads, twin turbos, powerglide, has run 8.0's@170mph+.

I really don't see Hinson having a hard time running 8's. I'm sure he'll do well in the event if not win it. He has an iron block 378ci stroker motor with forged guts, good heads, air/liquid intercooler setup that is built for high RPM (3:90 gears, 28" tall tire, 1:1 final gear in the 'glide). I realize his car is far from perfect... but I think he just wanted to show it runs... and watch out when it is tuned/completed.

BTW- my friend weighed his Touring '93 FD in stock form... 2800lbs. Then weighed his LS1/T56 conversion with a/c and p/s with no weight reduction.. 2840lbs.

HR Mag Pump Gas drags will be the drag test.

-Mark

jimlab

He probably won't have to key his own car (I'm just guessing, but based on Eric's history I wouldn't be a bit surprised) to get insurance money to repaint it and add a new body kit to keep himself in the limelight a little longer either...

Herblenny

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I think Hinson will get into 8s..

I'm definitely going to the Hot Rod event in Memphis (May 13th). I'll make sure to take good videos and such.

jimlab

Keep in mind that there's a big difference between running a "9-second equivalent" pass in the first 1/8th mile and shutting down and running a 9-second pass over the entire quarter.

Just having the power isn't going to automatically get him into the 8s. I'm not saying he can't do it, just that it isn't as easy as bolting on enough horsepower and heading to the track, and it's not going to happen right out of the box. If it were that easy, there'd be a lot more cars running a lot quicker times.

There's also a big difference between launching off the brake on boost and hitting nitrous after the launch. He's going to break something eventually, as Kevin prophesied, and I suspect he'll eventually have to back-half the car too.

I think you're probably overestimating the chances of someone whose car hasn't been sorted out long before the event and doesn't have much experience driving the combination yet. He's got some teething issues to work out before he's ready to rumble.

GsrSol

Incase you don't know that is not a spectator event. Supposedly they won't let spectators in at the track, you'll have to meet up with everone at Comp Cams and follow the pack to get in.

PBR

I would like to see that happen also. My ls1 will be here soon

gnx7

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Jim-

As you know when going for fast et's in the 1/4 mile the 1/8th mile and 60' are the most important. Beyond that it is simply a power and aerodynamics thing.

My friend has an '87 Buick GN with a twin turbo Stage 2 motor making about 1000hp (flywheel) and 28x10.5" tire. The car weighs 3800lbs and is shaped like a brick. He went 9.10's@149mph.... of course on 116 leaded race fuel and lots of boost (25psi+).

I don't see Hinson having a tough time going 8's with 1000lbs less, better aerodynamics, same tire size....

I do wonder what his boost will be limited to with "pump gas." That will be the bottom line. Hinson's car hooks... He should run a progressive boost controller to not blow the tires off the line. He has a trans brake and can leave at whatever boost he wants.

I expect to run 9's with my car on a stock LS1 shortblock, good heads, healthy cam, T56, and a 150hp nitrous shot on roadrace suspension at around 145mph. I don't see why Hinson won't be able to run 8's with 300-500 more hp and a ton more torque.

Proof is in the pudding and we are all speculating until he puts down some dyno numbers and finally makes some passes. I wish Hinson the best of luck.

Kevin T. Wyum

If the car is a purpose built drag only car it's possible he could hit a high 8 after everything is straightened out. When it was stated he was using a stock diff with Kaaz internals I assumed he'd be using a 5 speed manual, not a 2 speed powerglide heh. I'll stand by the not making 1200hp prediction with that motor and turbo setup as is. I also think you'll be surprised at how he does in PGD. There's no work around for the time it takes to dial the car in, learn to drive it as Jim pointed out and finding out what's going to break after a few weekends at the track.

I don't really care for the LS1 conversions, but I'm a huge fan of a turbo on anything so this car had me interested right up to the point where I found out it's a drag only car. That was a big letdown. It's far less impressive now, just like Adam S was when he went to the Gforce tranny.

1point3liter

Not that it's a huge detail, but i have a hard time seeing the car weighing in at less than 3000lbs.

It weighs 2700-2800ish WITHOUT two turbo's, wastegates, an air-water intercooler, a motor plate, and an iron block that weighs close to 100lbs more than it's aluminum brother. I imagine a powerglide also weighs more than a t56.

Also, to legally run at any NHRA 1/4 mile track (besides a backwoods dirt hole) you are required to have a 5-6 point rollbar to run 11.49 or faster (80-100lbs). 9.99 and faster requires an 8 point roll cage (heavier than 100lbs) among other items (including a license).

http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/ETQuickRef.html

Kevin T. Wyum

Chassis has to be certified as well by an NHRA inspector off track. That's an interesting point actually. The tracks insurance requires everything complies with NHRA rules that I can't imagine they'd ignore that with such a well known event. Maybe Hot Rod is renting the track and assuming all liability or something. That's something I've been a little concerned about with my car. I'm expecting to possibly nudge into the extremely high 9's if I ever have time to finish it but there's no way I'm going to put in a full cage unless they now allow swingout bars, which I don't think they do. Once the car has a full cage it's no longer a street car so it's an obnoxious catch 22.

1point3liter

I agree. I forgot to mention cage certification. technically you have to have a cage if you trap higher than 135mph but i've never seen that rule inforced. A lot depends on the track, but almost all look for roll bars, certified cages, and licenses.

I'm not putting more than a 6 point in mine, they can kick me off if were to hit 9's.

jimlab

Not to mention a keeping out of the wall at the far end of the track and succesfully stopping the car thing...

pianoprodigy

LOL. The car does have a parachute, but I'm not sure if it can be used for the PGD.

1point3liter

easy killer. don't jinx him.

2hotrods

If you had taken a few seconds to check out the pump gas drags web site:

http://hotrod.com/upcomingevents/113_0401_pump/

You would then see that while it is not officially a spectator even, HR is encouraging people to show up at Comp Cams and the caravan out to the track with them to watch. There will be no concessions, etc, but it would appear they are actually encouraging spectating.


Google is your friend.....

1point3liter

Not everyone has time to dick around on google.

On a side note, proof reading takes even less time.

RX-Heven

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With that reasoning, why not do it with a Miata or something of that size and price. I've seen an LS1 Miata with a 6-speed and straight axle and that thing was badass. Flared fenders in the front and rear fit 285's out back and 255's up front iirc. About the baddest v-8 conversion I've seen in a Japanese import by far imho.

I don't think theres anything wrong with these conversions as every one I've seen is a fast car for sure and thats all we really want in the end. I still like to argue with my buddy Mark (gnx7) about his as he is just buttoning his conversion up.

Stay tuned for video of a single turbo 20b and LS1 3rd gen going at it.

pianoprodigy

I'm sure if I had a Miata that idea might sound appealing; however, I've sunk a lot of time and money not only into the engine bay of my FD but also the exterior and interior. To sell my car and go with a different platform would involve me taking a huge loss. To make my car as fast as I want it to be with a 13B is impossible.

Brian Hinson

The car has already made a few pulls on the dyno, and we're happy to say that it is well on the way to making the power that we had predicted. We will post final numbers and possibly a video soon.

We are looking forward to the Pump Gas Drags. The octane will be a limiting factor to the performance of our relatively small motor. However, we do expect to run well, and we hope to see some of you there.

We have built this car to show what someone could do for a radical street build with an emphasis on drag racing. The complete interior (PW, sunroof, ect) and radio were left in the car to keep it comfortable for when it is on street duty. The suspension still has stock springs with upgraded rear Koni Yellow struts and aftermarket sway bars. There is nothing in this vehicle design that will limit it from street driving. People local to us will see it driving around Birmingham and Huntsville many times this upcoming year.

Popular arguments / fallacies:
Fuel economy with the PG? LOL. Buy a Prius if that bothers you.
Weight balance? The car will pick up a few front end pounds (~55-65lbs) with the turbo system, but we suspect the final numbers will surprise many of you. We will weigh the car on our four corner scales upon completion. Note: The engine block is aluminum.
Going to break the rear? Yup, we will probably break it sometime this year. When it goes, we will replace it with something else.
Road Course/Autocross performance? A tire and transmission swap would allow this car to run extremely well at a road course. The balance is still far better than a Camaro/Trans Am or Mustang.
A car with a cage is not a street car? LOL.

We took the car to the Deals Gap to show our latest project. We hope that everyone in attendance had a good time, and I hope to see all of you there again next year.

Thanks for the support in the thread. We will keep you guys up to date with the car's progress. I'll be happy to answer any questions that you guys may have.

Brian

Note: The power number prediction was given to answer the popular question everyone has been asking. It was not a marketing scheme. We did not create or post the videos, so a few of you might want to take a deep breathe to avoid the common keyboard warrior syndrome. We have built engines and turbo systems of this caliber in the past, and the parts are there to make it happen. Our preliminary dyno session last night showed us that we are on the money.

GsrSol

Actually I took a few minutes to read EVERY single rule in Hot Rod magazine a while back. Now why don't you take a few seconds and re-read my post and see that you said the exact same thing that I did, just using different words.