NA vs Turbo
01-05-13, 05:40 PM
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01-05-13, 06:19 PM
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01-05-13, 06:31 PM
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Except that, the high idle, and loudness. Lol
For street driving it's not really practical, for racing yes.
If 20b's were as abundant/cheap as 13b's there'd be a lot more na's around.
No one wants to spend an assload of money to make 200+ whp on an na when they can do it on a turbo for a fraction of the price.
Rotary >Pistons
For street driving it's not really practical, for racing yes.
If 20b's were as abundant/cheap as 13b's there'd be a lot more na's around.
No one wants to spend an assload of money to make 200+ whp on an na when they can do it on a turbo for a fraction of the price.
Rotary >Pistons
01-05-13, 08:14 PM
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A fire breathing 4 rotor PP shortblock can be put together for around 10k. And is capable of producing over 600 rwhp. Most people on this forum spend more then that to convert their FD to a reliable 400+ rwhp single turbo. 25-30k for a proper 20b setup, what are the people thinking!
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01-06-13, 01:00 AM
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You can get the shaft and 2 modified intermediate plates for ~6.5k + shipping from the green brothers. The rest is all 13b parts. Find 2 good condition 13b-REW shortblocks and you have a your 4 rotor shortblock.
Ask any shop for a 20b conversion start to finish and they will quote 25k minimum easy. I'm doing a 20b conversion myself and its about 17-18k in parts ALONE for just the engine.
Take a completely stock FD. Now lets see what we need to do a proper single turbo conversion...
Good turbo kit 4k
Cheap ECU (powerfc) 1k
fuel kit (injectors, rails, regulator, lines) 1k
intercooler kit (this can very a lot) 500-1500
cheap clutch 600
ignition amp or coil change 400-500
spark plugs 70-140
block off plates 50
aluminum rad 300
fuel pump 200
boost controller 300-500
midpipe or high flow cat 100-300
catback 400-1000
blow-off valve (some would say optional) 200
Oh, look we're at $10,000 in parts alone. But lets not forget this (some are optional)...
tune + dyno time 500-600
misc gaskets that need to be replaced
motor mounts
oil pan brace
water injection
gauges, don't forget the gauges!
And LABOR LABOR LABOR if your not doing it yourself
But wait? Don't most people rebuild their engine when they go single too? Boom another ~3-4k
hmm, maybe some rims and rubber to actually put that power to the ground? Another 2-4k
I'm sure there's more but you should get the jist by now
. Most upgrades are done slowly and the hit isn't noticed until you start thinking.
thewird
Ask any shop for a 20b conversion start to finish and they will quote 25k minimum easy. I'm doing a 20b conversion myself and its about 17-18k in parts ALONE for just the engine.
Take a completely stock FD. Now lets see what we need to do a proper single turbo conversion...
Good turbo kit 4k
Cheap ECU (powerfc) 1k
fuel kit (injectors, rails, regulator, lines) 1k
intercooler kit (this can very a lot) 500-1500
cheap clutch 600
ignition amp or coil change 400-500
spark plugs 70-140
block off plates 50
aluminum rad 300
fuel pump 200
boost controller 300-500
midpipe or high flow cat 100-300
catback 400-1000
blow-off valve (some would say optional) 200
Oh, look we're at $10,000 in parts alone. But lets not forget this (some are optional)...
tune + dyno time 500-600
misc gaskets that need to be replaced
motor mounts
oil pan brace
water injection
gauges, don't forget the gauges!
And LABOR LABOR LABOR if your not doing it yourself
But wait? Don't most people rebuild their engine when they go single too? Boom another ~3-4k
hmm, maybe some rims and rubber to actually put that power to the ground? Another 2-4k
I'm sure there's more but you should get the jist by now
. Most upgrades are done slowly and the hit isn't noticed until you start thinking.thewird
01-06-13, 11:54 AM
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Except that, the high idle, and loudness. Lol
For street driving it's not really practical, for racing yes.
If 20b's were as abundant/cheap as 13b's there'd be a lot more na's around.
No one wants to spend an assload of money to make 200+ whp on an na when they can do it on a turbo for a fraction of the price.
Rotary >Pistons
For street driving it's not really practical, for racing yes.
If 20b's were as abundant/cheap as 13b's there'd be a lot more na's around.
No one wants to spend an assload of money to make 200+ whp on an na when they can do it on a turbo for a fraction of the price.
Rotary >Pistons
as far as noise, its a problem, but its actually the same DB as my friends 6 port FC, we both get flagged for sound when its cloudy at the track.
its not practical for street driving, yes, but that's just because i'm stuck behind a prius, other than that its better.
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N/A: person sits in your passenger seat,and when you punch it he says: "WTF is in your car is crap"!
Turbo: Sits in the Passenger seat and you punch it and he Says:"WTF!, Is in your car?I just Crapped! "
Turbo: Sits in the Passenger seat and you punch it and he Says:"WTF!, Is in your car?I just Crapped! "
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