I've not seen any Honda four bangers ever reach the 600 horsepower mark. I know I'm definitely not one to be talking to about horsepower potential, and I most certainly don't care to spend my time researching how much power can come out of a Honda engine, but seriously who gives a **** how much power one can make out of it? I thought the entire notion of being a car guy was to have fun with it, not be the greatest competitor out there?

You're arguing with yourself right now. I've agreed about our engines being fragile. Sure there are better engines out there, but who really gives two *****? If we wanted the engine that could produce the most about of raw power, wouldn't we all be driving Supras?

And so what if there is so much to do to them? The only reason there is so much more to do to them is because look at how much more development has went into the piston engine in comparison to the rotary engine.

This is all debate for nothing more than to raise my post count anyway.

 

hehe still you dont understand.

You obviously never been to the track, or know people who work at shops or have other cars if you think there arent many hondas hitting 600 or more like its nothing.

Arguing with myself? I guess you can say that because you guys are stuck in your own world of denial and hate towards any other engine besides the rotary. Its either rotary for life or nothing. Everything else you will find any flaw just to use that in defense for yourself which makes it funny as our cars are like top named in being unreliable, both as a car and engine wise.

THAT is what i was arguing at the entire thread.

I didnt all of a sudden bring a supra into this thread, you guys brought it upon yourself by playing with fire. Saying its no impressive, its nothing, o the car is heavy. Um hello? We are driving problematic cars with fragile engines. You guys are fighting a losing battle here. This isnt even an opinionated discussion anymore, now its about your ego i believe. You guys just dont wanna admit. I already knew and i still love rx7s, why cant you guys think the same?

Now you see what im getting at?

Or are you still seeing triangles?

 

When did I ever argue with you about any of this? That is the point I am trying to get across. I've never once said that the rotary is all mighty. I never once said there wasn't better engines out there. THAT is why I am saying you are arguing with yourself. I'm not in argument with you at all. I drive a rotary because of the engineering behind it, not because of the performance. I said that in the first reply to you.

I also said that if I were going to build a car, I wouldn't be shooting for extremely high horsepower goals either. You're sitting there telling me I don't understand, but you're still trying to argue with someone who is agreeing with you! haha

And as far as a track goes, sure I've been to plenty, but every track I go to involves Honda's that can't break into even the 13's, and muscle cars and other rear drive cars doing 10's and 11's. I've also been to race tracks as well, but never to watch Hondas go racing. So you're right, I've never seen high powered Honda's. I don't care to either. I'm sure all I'd have to do to see them is go to youtube and type in "high powered Honda" and come up with a **** ton of entries. I don't care to, though.

This is where you are getting lost in the arguement. You are taking my lack of caring to see something as me denying its existence. I don't really care to see high powered numbers of any sort, and as exciting it is to watch a car do an 8 second quarter mile, I would rather be driving my stock (basically) FB for reason that I didn't buy this car to have a huge performance car, but rather something that just had a rotary in it because I like the engineering behind it.

 

Who said this was about you???

LOL who are you in this thread??

You basically took what you feel and placed it in this thread when it means nothing.

Im not talking what you guys FEEL, im talking whats REAL.

Jesus christ whats wrong with the youth today?

 

Yeah... a whopping two years younger than you. I'm definitely that far young. And last I recalled I entered this thread before you, following this entire argument through the replies sent to my e-mail.

Anyway, I'm the one you've been responding to for the past several posts you've made, and thus I am the one you turned your argument around on. Telling me that I didn't understand and all that ****. It really makes no difference. You are the one who started attacking me after I spoke my two cents on the matter, and now you're going about your merry business telling me that its not about me. I think you're the one showing everyone who is "the youth of today."

 

No, i was done with the thread already, you came in repeating what someone else already said so i had to bring the whole story back around and place it on you. Im sorry i had to do that.

And everything you mentioned, how small the rotary is, what peak hp hondas you saw, i already replied to.

But the fact still remained not only towards you but to the finale of this thread.

 

lol Whatever you say, man.

You just make it seem more like the only thing you are caring about is to just "be right", and even when someone isn't even arguing with you you tried turning it into an argument.

Its all said and done now. I found a large bit of amusement in it all, and that is all that matters.

 

Yeah it might seem that way but i dont mean it like that.

I just get soo annoyed cause like how dare can we criticize another engine, especially one of that caliber when we have rotarys.

Thats what im getting at.

But now im done with this thread, its like having no sex for months, we finally let it all out in this thread LOL.

If i smoke ciggarettes, ill smoke one right now lol

 

haha I haven't had sex in a month, so you know, I have been kind of high strung lately. hahaha

 

Pff you're lucky.

Last time i had some was last december and im currently in a relationship of 3 weeks now and this girl is CUTE, dresses and talks sexy which drives me crazy.

I know any day now ill be in there, i feel sorry when she lets me in, its gonna be a years worth of load right inside, or maybe on her face, whichever i choose

 

Man a year. That's crazy. I spent eight months without it by choice, and was about to blow my brains out.

Good luck with her though.

 

man..this thread is about the 2jz in the s2gay!!!
wtf happpened>!!?!?!

 

lol sorry everyone i love rotaries but a 2jz ?!?!?! come on, i was reading through the posts someone said that the honda f22c eats the 2jz ???? r u kidding me 2jz is a ridiculous motor u clearly must not know what you are talking about if u think any honda engine can produce the same amount of torque and power off of stock internals come on guys lets be real the 2jz is a monster and very few engines out there are capable of doing wut the 2jz can do on stock internals

 

My buddy just blew his B18C1 on only 12psi. 3.5 years and 30,000 miles of boosting does that. It was profesionally tuned by a highly respected honda tuner as well. If you push the limits on any motor, it will fail.

 

that guy is in Navarre huh?? That is right down the road.

Looks like I have a new goal

 

I've known way too many people blowing their motors. Including WRX's, Lightnings, 350z's, g35's, rx7's, trans am's, and mustangs. I think what a reliable motor comes down to is how much money you got. If you got the money you can make any motor a high horsepower and reliable motor. The 2jz is a crazy motor the can make 800+ hp on the stock block, but I wouldn't put that in my FD. I'll keep that in the supra. I fully understand rotory's are more fragile to detonation, but out of all the rotory's i've seen blow, all of them were because of high boost and no tune or poor tune. There for it is some what the users fault for not modding the car correctly. I believe I put my money in the right places so I hope mine last long. But if it doesn't , its just a price I pay for driving these cars.

 

that was well put

 

Awesome car by the way spoolin, my style.

 

yeah not cool on the rotary bit. I do like that s2k tho thats nice

 

they act like they would be the first to put a 2jz in a fd. sp enginering did it arleady.

 

that guy don't know **** about the wankel and it's potenal.

 

The bashing on the Honda is really not necessary, they make fantastic grocery getters and some of them are quick. I personally have video of a k2x laying down 700whp on a dyno, i'll link to it if you'd like. i've also *heard about* an eg hatch throwing down 800whp in DD trim. recently in one of the mags they featured a gold honda hatch with rediculous hp that was still 100% street legal.

1.3 > 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, 2.4

it may not have the pedigree you have, but it's just as capable and often more durable.

450hp "race built" FTL!

 

At least we know who's getting some action. LoL

 

I always hear of this talk about rotaries being unreliable. Then why was the 787b banned? And I don't care what kind of engine you have, if you are pushing the limits of the engine with high horsepower and boost, it's not going to be a long lived reliable engine that goes 100kmiles.

 

Well said, +1