2jz in a S2k. (hates on rotary)
while I'm in this thread I thought I'd post this pic I found a while back. I think you guys will be very interested..... Ptretty crazy huh? a "2JZ FD".... Gotta love how they did the hood....
Originally Posted by asiandude15
while I'm in this thread I thought I'd post this pic I found a while back. I think you guys will be very interested..... Ptretty crazy huh? a "2JZ FD".... Gotta love how they did the hood....
The shop i go to already has a 2JZ in an FD, then they have another FD with an RB26 engine.
Originally Posted by ulost2my7
A properly "built" engine will run about 60k on average with normal driving (some spirited driving, regular maint. etc). Thats 60k IF you're lucky.
User error? So basically a shitty radiator, the stock bullshit precat that holds heat and is likely to clog, shitty FPD's, not to mention POS vacuum lines that COME from factory is part of user error? Jeez, i didnt know its now our job to make a list of everything to replace before we buy these cars, i thought they shouldnt be classified under "unreliable"?? Well thats alot of stuff to do to a car before you can have fun with it.
User error? So basically a shitty radiator, the stock bullshit precat that holds heat and is likely to clog, shitty FPD's, not to mention POS vacuum lines that COME from factory is part of user error? Jeez, i didnt know its now our job to make a list of everything to replace before we buy these cars, i thought they shouldnt be classified under "unreliable"?? Well thats alot of stuff to do to a car before you can have fun with it.
Of course a 40k Mile LS1 is a great option to swap in. You can throw it in, and never have to open the hood other then oil changes etc because it's relatively new. It's a great swap and a great engine. I'm not saying the rotary is better then an LS1 or any engine for that matter. My point is that if you take care of it, and properly maintain/upgrade the car you're not going to have the amount of problems that people have with these cars. That's really true for ANY car with over 100k miles on it.
Originally Posted by ulost2my7
Just because you didnt blow any doesnt mean anything. I am not saying every single rx7 out there is a POS. They are bad luck ones and good luck ones. I had my car for 3 years with ZERO engine problems, it was only the little **** that kept my car down from time to time. But generally speaking, the cars itself are problematic, i dont understand why other people cant grasp this fact.
Only people who keep the rotary in their car are people who always loved the rotary, people who can work on them and people who just wont suck it up and admit something else is better by putting something else better.
Only people who keep the rotary in their car are people who always loved the rotary, people who can work on them and people who just wont suck it up and admit something else is better by putting something else better.
You seem to be stuck on this crusade that the Rx-7 owners are stuck on the "7 Can't lose" bullshit. I, on the other hand, believe that people on this forum have a SERIOUS problem with accepting fault and placing blame on everything but themselves for their own failures.
Except the Mandeville 20b guy who cracked his rear iron without the car even running once. That guy at least owns up to his mistakes instead of blaming mazda for a weak iron casting. /sarcasm
Originally Posted by f1blueRx7
Take a look at 90% of stock radiators. They all have plastic end tanks and they all break after 16 years. Our cars are just old. Look at Mk3 supras etc are they louded as unreliable because of their headgasket problems or spun bearings? No because that's a user maintenance issue.
Of course a 40k Mile LS1 is a great option to swap in. You can throw it in, and never have to open the hood other then oil changes etc because it's relatively new. It's a great swap and a great engine. I'm not saying the rotary is better then an LS1 or any engine for that matter. My point is that if you take care of it, and properly maintain/upgrade the car you're not going to have the amount of problems that people have with these cars. That's really true for ANY car with over 100k miles on it.
Of course a 40k Mile LS1 is a great option to swap in. You can throw it in, and never have to open the hood other then oil changes etc because it's relatively new. It's a great swap and a great engine. I'm not saying the rotary is better then an LS1 or any engine for that matter. My point is that if you take care of it, and properly maintain/upgrade the car you're not going to have the amount of problems that people have with these cars. That's really true for ANY car with over 100k miles on it.
Theres no such thing as luck, it boils down to Prior owners and current maintenance.
You seem to be stuck on this crusade that the Rx-7 owners are stuck on the "7 Can't lose" bullshit. I, on the other hand, believe that people on this forum have a SERIOUS problem with accepting fault and placing blame on everything but themselves for their own failures.
You seem to be stuck on this crusade that the Rx-7 owners are stuck on the "7 Can't lose" bullshit. I, on the other hand, believe that people on this forum have a SERIOUS problem with accepting fault and placing blame on everything but themselves for their own failures.
Why do you think so? You think its ONLY the FD that inherited ALL the dumbass owners? I dont think so. But its only our cars that show all the flaws when the owner does something wrong. Its like the hymen on the girls' *****. One slight touch and its ******* broke.
Originally Posted by ulost2my7
Yeah, you obviously dont understand what im trying to say.
I was using the S2k because thats the topic of this thread. But what i really meant was ANY car that poses a threat on what could be a "better" than our praised cars makes people just put their heads down and let them think out of their ***. Like they see, a 2JZ makes 811rwhp on stock bottom end, people will say, o umm yeah, its still a heavy engine. WTF? I mean seriously, you guys give no credit to a good engine at all, only thing i can think of of what makes people comment to something like that is jealousey, that or pure hate on any other engine besides the rotary.
Sure the 787B won lemans, thats great. Congrats to them. Thats not a production engine. I wanna see a 13B do that. Better yet, i wanna see the 787B compete now if they could against some of the cars/engines being produced today. They wont win.
I was using the S2k because thats the topic of this thread. But what i really meant was ANY car that poses a threat on what could be a "better" than our praised cars makes people just put their heads down and let them think out of their ***. Like they see, a 2JZ makes 811rwhp on stock bottom end, people will say, o umm yeah, its still a heavy engine. WTF? I mean seriously, you guys give no credit to a good engine at all, only thing i can think of of what makes people comment to something like that is jealousey, that or pure hate on any other engine besides the rotary.
Sure the 787B won lemans, thats great. Congrats to them. Thats not a production engine. I wanna see a 13B do that. Better yet, i wanna see the 787B compete now if they could against some of the cars/engines being produced today. They wont win.
Originally Posted by ulost2my7
No, even with excellent maintenance, you're not gonna suck up as much life as you can with any other good piston engine. Our engines peak at 30k while some piston engines, a 70k engine would be low mileage. Hell 90% of engine stores offer warranty on their SR motors or their honda motors with 50k miles while some of their rotarys have 30k and they offer NO warranty. AND thats with lower miles. They know the history, they know what happens. The rotary is basically playing the lotto. You either luck out or you dont.
Why do you think so? You think its ONLY the FD that inherited ALL the dumbass owners? I dont think so. But its only our cars that show all the flaws when the owner does something wrong. Its like the hymen on the girls' *****. One slight touch and its ******* broke.
Why do you think so? You think its ONLY the FD that inherited ALL the dumbass owners? I dont think so. But its only our cars that show all the flaws when the owner does something wrong. Its like the hymen on the girls' *****. One slight touch and its ******* broke.
Well I'm not going to try to change your mind anymore in this thread. I know the stereotype that everyone gives the Rotary engine, however I think it's really over generalized, and often over-stated.
At least we could have a good debate without bringing each others mom into it.
Originally Posted by asiandude15
uLost2My7 could you maybe post pics of the RB26 FD. I just want to see it. Never even thought about it. LOL
Just go to acostamotorsports.com
You might have to sign up to view the pics though.
Originally Posted by ulost2my7
User error? So basically a shitty radiator, the stock bullshit precat that holds heat and is likely to clog, shitty FPD's, not to mention POS vacuum lines that COME from factory is part of user error? Jeez, i didnt know its now our job to make a list of everything to replace before we buy these cars, i thought they shouldnt be classified under "unreliable"?? Well thats alot of stuff to do to a car before you can have fun with it.
, also, stock parts are meant to handle stock power levels and normal driving. for example the sportier model FD's came w/ dual oil coolers, to handle the extra load on the engine that mazda expects the car to recieve. I own 2 1st gens(i like to keep the motor simple w/ carb and dizzy, less **** to go wrong )one has 104k and the other has 146k both motors are original, never been rebuilt and both run great, there are even guys in the 1st gen forums w/ 200k plus on their original motors and still running strong, perhaps the 12a doesn't fit into the whole blowin up thing 
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Originally Posted by ulost2my7
Sure the 787B won lemans, thats great. Congrats to them. Thats not a production engine. I wanna see a 13B do that. Better yet, i wanna see the 787B compete now if they could against some of the cars/engines being produced today. They wont win.
we wont be seeing a 787B runing Le Mans sadly or a new reencarnation of is as comparing a 787B against a new Toyota GT-One would be unfair as the age difference the GT-One has the uperhand of being newer with newer tech.
as a side note from what i hear the rotory engine was banned for being "to reliable in a extended period of extreme abuse." thats just what i hear.
Last edited by SouthSideSlider; Nov 12, 2006 at 09:22 PM.
Originally Posted by ulost2my7
Yeah someone said its impossible.
The shop i go to already has a 2JZ in an FD, then they have another FD with an RB26 engine.
The shop i go to already has a 2JZ in an FD, then they have another FD with an RB26 engine.
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he says 'only 450hp' in his 'race engine' like thats so terrible. thats an 11 second car. i dont get why people feel they need more power than that in an FD. he seems only concerned with being able to go out and street race and ****. why start with a car like an FD if thats all you want?
Last edited by NOPR; Nov 12, 2006 at 10:40 PM.
Originally Posted by NOPR
he says 'only 450hp' in his 'race engine' like thats so terrible. thats an 11 second car. i dont get why people feel they need more power than that in an FD. he seems only concerned with being able to go out and street race and ****. why start with a car like an FD if thats all you want?
Well why not? What can be the excuse for that?
I dont see the point in making HIGH hp in civics and srt'4s but hey guess what, people are doing it and doing it well.
People like to try different things but they cant with our cars cause they are limited. By what? The engine.
No one wants to admit that our engine is very fragile, its a unique design but theres no technology to it, thats why it cant advance.
I mean people praised the V8 KILR FD and that only had what? 650RWHP??
Come on, if people dont wanna see other people talk down rotarys like they cant perform like other engines, then they need to do something better than that. Im not saying more HP isnt possible cause it is of course, im talking about a common thing.
And dont say cause its not necessary, people want HP, they dont look for it in our department cause of the many limitations and flaws. Plain and simple.
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Rob, sell your FD and buy a Supra and be done with it. In my opinion, your car is never going to work out for you, because of the massive negative karma you direct towards it.
All of these crazy high hp civics/srt4s/whatever sure as **** aren't getting oodles of miles out of their motors. There might only be 5% of those cars on the road heavily modified, but with FDs it seems to be more like 50% or higher. Almost every FD i come upon now seems to be pushing 350+ rwhp, that is going to contribute to the failure rate.
All of these crazy high hp civics/srt4s/whatever sure as **** aren't getting oodles of miles out of their motors. There might only be 5% of those cars on the road heavily modified, but with FDs it seems to be more like 50% or higher. Almost every FD i come upon now seems to be pushing 350+ rwhp, that is going to contribute to the failure rate.
Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Rob, sell your FD and buy a Supra and be done with it. In my opinion, your car is never going to work out for you, because of the massive negative karma you direct towards it.
All of these crazy high hp civics/srt4s/whatever sure as **** aren't getting oodles of miles out of their motors. There might only be 5% of those cars on the road heavily modified, but with FDs it seems to be more like 50% or higher. Almost every FD i come upon now seems to be pushing 350+ rwhp, that is going to contribute to the failure rate.
All of these crazy high hp civics/srt4s/whatever sure as **** aren't getting oodles of miles out of their motors. There might only be 5% of those cars on the road heavily modified, but with FDs it seems to be more like 50% or higher. Almost every FD i come upon now seems to be pushing 350+ rwhp, that is going to contribute to the failure rate.
Karma? lol
Yeah, then i guess everyone thinks just like me cause their cars are down too.
But on a serious note, i know the flaws of the car and im ok with it. I wont sell my car cause i love it. Do you have to be blinded by everything i mentioned in order to own the car? Hell no, but i for one, know the reality of this car and am ok with it, and willing to accept it. Its just some people here need to realize this.
O and FYI, i am buying a supra. But im waiting a bit more so i can have both cars
Last edited by ulost2my7; Nov 13, 2006 at 09:34 AM.
Originally Posted by ulost2my7
Well why not? What can be the excuse for that?
I dont see the point in making HIGH hp in civics and srt'4s but hey guess what, people are doing it and doing it well.
People like to try different things but they cant with our cars cause they are limited. By what? The engine.
No one wants to admit that our engine is very fragile, its a unique design but theres no technology to it, thats why it cant advance.
I mean people praised the V8 KILR FD and that only had what? 650RWHP??
Come on, if people dont wanna see other people talk down rotarys like they cant perform like other engines, then they need to do something better than that. Im not saying more HP isnt possible cause it is of course, im talking about a common thing.
And dont say cause its not necessary, people want HP, they dont look for it in our department cause of the many limitations and flaws. Plain and simple.
I dont see the point in making HIGH hp in civics and srt'4s but hey guess what, people are doing it and doing it well.
People like to try different things but they cant with our cars cause they are limited. By what? The engine.
No one wants to admit that our engine is very fragile, its a unique design but theres no technology to it, thats why it cant advance.
I mean people praised the V8 KILR FD and that only had what? 650RWHP??
Come on, if people dont wanna see other people talk down rotarys like they cant perform like other engines, then they need to do something better than that. Im not saying more HP isnt possible cause it is of course, im talking about a common thing.
And dont say cause its not necessary, people want HP, they dont look for it in our department cause of the many limitations and flaws. Plain and simple.
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imo i think that the s2000 motor is a crazy motor...
its the most advanced 4 cyl na in the world... "prove me if im wrong if i am sorry "
the motor comes with 240 hp?
something like that...
i mean.... i love fd's n supras...
but 240 hp from a 4 cyl na compared to an inline 6 twinturbo *skyline supras*
iono why that guy swaped motors
i wud have made that motor all crazy
but if i were to do a swap in that motor i wud have put a rotary
i mean... its light right.. but i would rather do a swap on a vert... like a fc vert or a miata
put some 20b's in those badboys
its the most advanced 4 cyl na in the world... "prove me if im wrong if i am sorry "
the motor comes with 240 hp?
something like that...
i mean.... i love fd's n supras...
but 240 hp from a 4 cyl na compared to an inline 6 twinturbo *skyline supras*
iono why that guy swaped motors
i wud have made that motor all crazy
but if i were to do a swap in that motor i wud have put a rotary
i mean... its light right.. but i would rather do a swap on a vert... like a fc vert or a miata
put some 20b's in those badboys
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What I'll never understand about all you are saying, ulost2my7, is are you forgetting how small your engine is? It is a 1.3 litre. How many 2 litres can you think of that can make 600+ horsepower? How many 2.5's? I can't think of very many at all, and the fact that a 1.3 litre can is what makes the engine amazing.
And honestly, as impressive as that is, Robert of Rotaryshack has created a 720 rwhp 12a now. And even smaller engine making more power than v8 killa's 13B. And then when you think about how fast that actually translates to, there isn't a single person who could use all that power for anything else other than a straight line to begin with. If I could get 350 horsepower in an FD I would be completely set, and start building the car for track use at that point.
The excitement starts in the curves you know.
The engines are limited, but as are all engines. What you have to realize is that the limitations are far higher than necessary though. Sure you can make well over 1,000 horsepower in a Supra and Skyline engine, but you would still be using the car for nothing but straight lines. As fun as that may be, its not half as fun as going around twisties.
That is just my two cents anyway. Sure you can always use more power for something, but I don't see a point in going over a certain point.
And honestly, as impressive as that is, Robert of Rotaryshack has created a 720 rwhp 12a now. And even smaller engine making more power than v8 killa's 13B. And then when you think about how fast that actually translates to, there isn't a single person who could use all that power for anything else other than a straight line to begin with. If I could get 350 horsepower in an FD I would be completely set, and start building the car for track use at that point.
The excitement starts in the curves you know.
The engines are limited, but as are all engines. What you have to realize is that the limitations are far higher than necessary though. Sure you can make well over 1,000 horsepower in a Supra and Skyline engine, but you would still be using the car for nothing but straight lines. As fun as that may be, its not half as fun as going around twisties.
That is just my two cents anyway. Sure you can always use more power for something, but I don't see a point in going over a certain point.
Originally Posted by Normality_Glitch
What I'll never understand about all you are saying, ulost2my7, is are you forgetting how small your engine is? It is a 1.3 litre. How many 2 litres can you think of that can make 600+ horsepower? How many 2.5's? I can't think of very many at all, and the fact that a 1.3 litre can is what makes the engine amazing.
And honestly, as impressive as that is, Robert of Rotaryshack has created a 720 rwhp 12a now. And even smaller engine making more power than v8 killa's 13B. And then when you think about how fast that actually translates to, there isn't a single person who could use all that power for anything else other than a straight line to begin with. If I could get 350 horsepower in an FD I would be completely set, and start building the car for track use at that point.
The excitement starts in the curves you know.
The engines are limited, but as are all engines. What you have to realize is that the limitations are far higher than necessary though. Sure you can make well over 1,000 horsepower in a Supra and Skyline engine, but you would still be using the car for nothing but straight lines. As fun as that may be, its not half as fun as going around twisties.
That is just my two cents anyway. Sure you can always use more power for something, but I don't see a point in going over a certain point.
And honestly, as impressive as that is, Robert of Rotaryshack has created a 720 rwhp 12a now. And even smaller engine making more power than v8 killa's 13B. And then when you think about how fast that actually translates to, there isn't a single person who could use all that power for anything else other than a straight line to begin with. If I could get 350 horsepower in an FD I would be completely set, and start building the car for track use at that point.
The excitement starts in the curves you know.
The engines are limited, but as are all engines. What you have to realize is that the limitations are far higher than necessary though. Sure you can make well over 1,000 horsepower in a Supra and Skyline engine, but you would still be using the car for nothing but straight lines. As fun as that may be, its not half as fun as going around twisties.
That is just my two cents anyway. Sure you can always use more power for something, but I don't see a point in going over a certain point.
That wasnt my arguement in this thread.
Im not gonna repeat myself cause i said it in parts throughout this thread but basically i was just stating that people dont acknowledge the extreme potential of other engines that when we try to compare it to a rotary, we (some of you guys) always have an excuse as defense to say why it "cant" or why it "should not" be that way.
I know how small the engine is, how come honda guys can make tremendous power to their 1.6 and 1.8's reliably? Its just a direct comparison since you guys dont want to believe everything else is superior, you have to make that comparison. Why? Cant it do that? Cause people just coincidentally make alot of power in all other cars besides ours? I dont think so, there is a reason for that and we all know why.
People want to, like i said, people like to try different things, but they are limited with our cars/power plants because its fragile, that is a pure fact.
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Well the most I've ever seen out of a Honda engine is a tad bit over 500. A rotary still tops that by far. Granted that is huge power for a four banger, but its still not as big of power as a rotary can make and I've seen high power rotaries last longer than those Honda engines pushing that kind of power anyway.
I won't argue that our engines are fragile, otherwise all the parts we throw into them would be cheap *** parts, but we rotary guys know exactly what happens when we throw in cheap parts. Kaboom.
Our engines are undeniably fragile; however, I think all rotary engine owners should know that before going into the whole rotary engine owning process.
Of course this is all coming from a guy who only bought a rotary because he loved the engineering behind it and didn't necessarily care much for the performance aspect of it.
I won't argue that our engines are fragile, otherwise all the parts we throw into them would be cheap *** parts, but we rotary guys know exactly what happens when we throw in cheap parts. Kaboom.
Our engines are undeniably fragile; however, I think all rotary engine owners should know that before going into the whole rotary engine owning process.
Of course this is all coming from a guy who only bought a rotary because he loved the engineering behind it and didn't necessarily care much for the performance aspect of it.
Tad over 500??
LOL Maybe in 1995 but lets just say 500 is just a pinch of what honda engines can do now. Theres just sooo much to do to them.
But i guess im done with this thread. Its clear you def cant talk about an engine especially when its our spirit for the forum. O well, i guess thats how you guys think which is a funny way of thinking.
LOL Maybe in 1995 but lets just say 500 is just a pinch of what honda engines can do now. Theres just sooo much to do to them.
But i guess im done with this thread. Its clear you def cant talk about an engine especially when its our spirit for the forum. O well, i guess thats how you guys think which is a funny way of thinking.