gas motorsports 2041 hp supra engine
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the video is on youtube so you can see it there . I always watch the piston guys to see what they are doing and apply some things to the rotary engine these guys are running 75+ lbs of boost while the rotary guys are 45+ lbs of boost not to mention that you dont need as much horsepower in a rotary to run faster . but it is good to know the enemy.
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the rotary guys arent making 2k hp on rotaries either.
your confusing the "not needing as much hp on rotaries" because generally the rx7 is much lighter. put that motor in an rx7 and a rotary will never be able match it.
your confusing the "not needing as much hp on rotaries" because generally the rx7 is much lighter. put that motor in an rx7 and a rotary will never be able match it.
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okay razorback pro rwd nhra import weight for 6 cylinder runs 2350 for the rotary engine weight is 2250 so we are not that much lighter the fastest car which is titan motor sports ran a 6.44 the rotary has ran a 6.7 on 75% less boost . if you gave both car the same weight and ran the same boost the piston guys wouldnt even pull their car of the trailer.
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01-22-08, 02:47 PM
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Since I tune both sides I know for a fact that you're not entirely correct. Everyone in the buisness know that with everything being equal meaning weight and horsepower etc. the rotary powered vechicle always out peform the piston powered one. I have people often say that rotary power should be measured differently! 
Now it's a fact that the piston motor have made a lot more power than rotary motor mainly due to development but those days are coming to an end. With the latest breakthrough in performance parts for the rotary motor it's only a matter of time before they equal the total power numbers.
Now it's a fact that the piston motor have made a lot more power than rotary motor mainly due to development but those days are coming to an end. With the latest breakthrough in performance parts for the rotary motor it's only a matter of time before they equal the total power numbers.
01-22-08, 02:55 PM
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Since I tune both sides I know for a fact that you're not entirely correct. Everyone in the buisness know that with everything being equal meaning weight and horsepower etc. the rotary powered vechicle always out peform the piston powered one. I have people often say that rotary power should be measured differently!
Now it's a fact that the piston motor have made a lot more power than rotary motor mainly due to development but those days are coming to an end. With the latest breakthrough in performance parts for the rotary motor it's only a matter of time before they equal the total power numbers.
Now it's a fact that the piston motor have made a lot more power than rotary motor mainly due to development but those days are coming to an end. With the latest breakthrough in performance parts for the rotary motor it's only a matter of time before they equal the total power numbers.
01-22-08, 03:02 PM
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no, not at all. I guess that's because I know better than to try and push "75+ pounds of boost" through my motor. Sorry, my answer was based on an assumed meaning of your unintelligible post. Try punctuation. . . it works.
01-22-08, 03:03 PM
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Now it's a fact that the piston motor have made a lot more power than rotary motor mainly due to development but those days are coming to an end. With the latest breakthrough in performance parts for the rotary motor it's only a matter of time before they equal the total power numbers.
And let me guess, your not going to tell us what that breakthrough is.
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engines that dont blow up?
show me one rotary that can compete with brian hinson and his turbo fd on pump gas, and i will then start believeing that rotary and v8s/pistons are equal. i still do not believe a rotary can compete with a v8 in hp.
show me one rotary that can compete with brian hinson and his turbo fd on pump gas, and i will then start believeing that rotary and v8s/pistons are equal. i still do not believe a rotary can compete with a v8 in hp.
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okay razorback pro rwd nhra import weight for 6 cylinder runs 2350 for the rotary engine weight is 2250 so we are not that much lighter the fastest car which is titan motor sports ran a 6.44 the rotary has ran a 6.7 on 75% less boost . if you gave both car the same weight and ran the same boost the piston guys wouldnt even pull their car of the trailer.
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Bryan hinsons car has what 1300 HP on pump.
Its possible but I wouldn't want to foot the bill, over 500 HP for a 13B on pump has been done, that means a 4 ROTOR with over 1000 HP on pump is possible, maybe even more with a PP turbo, with the right fuel control.
At that point car setup and driver skill could make up for the extra 300 HP.
Thats at least a 50K dollar setup with parts alone.
And even then Bryan Hinsons setup might be the absolute maxed out LSX, but its not the absolute maxed out piston engine.
Its possible but I wouldn't want to foot the bill, over 500 HP for a 13B on pump has been done, that means a 4 ROTOR with over 1000 HP on pump is possible, maybe even more with a PP turbo, with the right fuel control.
At that point car setup and driver skill could make up for the extra 300 HP.
Thats at least a 50K dollar setup with parts alone.
And even then Bryan Hinsons setup might be the absolute maxed out LSX, but its not the absolute maxed out piston engine.
01-22-08, 03:53 PM
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I just really enjoy pestering Chris. He is one of the top contributors to this site and i have personally learned quite a bit from him. I am sure when the time comes and we are ready for it he will fill us all in.
I would be willing to bet it is going to be the aftermarket stepping up to the plate and starting to make some really beefy parts. As it is right now we are mostly using stock components and pushing the limits of them. They already make aftermarket side housings, seals, e-shafts, and studs. I would think the next step would be perfecting the prototype aluminum rotors and maybe aftermarket rotor housings. At that point it would just be a matter of upping the boost, picking up the pieces, figuring out what failed, and making it stronger. Oh course that is what they have been doing all along
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I would be willing to bet it is going to be the aftermarket stepping up to the plate and starting to make some really beefy parts. As it is right now we are mostly using stock components and pushing the limits of them. They already make aftermarket side housings, seals, e-shafts, and studs. I would think the next step would be perfecting the prototype aluminum rotors and maybe aftermarket rotor housings. At that point it would just be a matter of upping the boost, picking up the pieces, figuring out what failed, and making it stronger. Oh course that is what they have been doing all along
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Okay razorback, Pro RWD NHRA import weight for 6 cylinders is 2350lbs. For the Rotary the weight is 2250lbs. So we are not that much lighter. The fastest car which is titan motor sports ran a 6.44. The rotary has ran a 6.7 on 75% less boost . if you gave both cars the same weight and ran the same boost the piston guys wouldnt even pull their car of the trailer.
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Bryan hinsons car has what 1300 HP on pump.
Its possible but I wouldn't want to foot the bill, over 500 HP for a 13B on pump has been done, that means a 4 ROTOR with over 1000 HP on pump is possible, maybe even more with a PP turbo, with the right fuel control.
At that point car setup and driver skill could make up for the extra 300 HP.
Thats at least a 50K dollar setup with parts alone.
And even then Bryan Hinsons setup might be the absolute maxed out LSX, but its not the absolute maxed out piston engine.
Its possible but I wouldn't want to foot the bill, over 500 HP for a 13B on pump has been done, that means a 4 ROTOR with over 1000 HP on pump is possible, maybe even more with a PP turbo, with the right fuel control.
At that point car setup and driver skill could make up for the extra 300 HP.
Thats at least a 50K dollar setup with parts alone.
And even then Bryan Hinsons setup might be the absolute maxed out LSX, but its not the absolute maxed out piston engine.
ive heard its close to that hp. not 100% certain, point is you can not make that hp on a non turbo rotary on pump gas. then add in weight of a 4 rotor, turbo, and transmission and finding a clutch that could support that.
i dont think his motor is maxed out, it is an aftermarket war hawk block or something of the sort. but its ls based.