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rotary8 01-22-08 12:43 PM

gas motorsports 2041 hp supra engine
 
time work on the 3 rotor and turn up the boost the video is on youtube .

Viking War Hammer 01-22-08 12:55 PM

whatever you do, don't post a video

rotary8 01-22-08 01:36 PM

gas motorsports 2041 hp supra engine
 
the video is on youtube so you can see it there . I always watch the piston guys to see what they are doing and apply some things to the rotary engine these guys are running 75+ lbs of boost while the rotary guys are 45+ lbs of boost not to mention that you dont need as much horsepower in a rotary to run faster . but it is good to know the enemy.

razorback 01-22-08 01:58 PM

the rotary guys arent making 2k hp on rotaries either.

your confusing the "not needing as much hp on rotaries" because generally the rx7 is much lighter. put that motor in an rx7 and a rotary will never be able match it.

rotary8 01-22-08 02:32 PM

gas motorsports 2041 hp supra engine
 
okay razorback pro rwd nhra import weight for 6 cylinder runs 2350 for the rotary engine weight is 2250 so we are not that much lighter the fastest car which is titan motor sports ran a 6.44 the rotary has ran a 6.7 on 75% less boost . if you gave both car the same weight and ran the same boost the piston guys wouldnt even pull their car of the trailer.

calculon 01-22-08 02:34 PM

and if we ran the same boost as them, we'd just have blown motors. . .what the hell are you talking about?

rotary8 01-22-08 02:45 PM

gas motorsports 2041 hp supra engine
 
what calculon is that what you are doing blowing motors.

crispeed 01-22-08 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by razorback (Post 7770231)
your confusing the "not needing as much hp on rotaries"

Since I tune both sides I know for a fact that you're not entirely correct. Everyone in the buisness know that with everything being equal meaning weight and horsepower etc. the rotary powered vechicle always out peform the piston powered one. I have people often say that rotary power should be measured differently! :rlaugh:
Now it's a fact that the piston motor have made a lot more power than rotary motor mainly due to development but those days are coming to an end. With the latest breakthrough in performance parts for the rotary motor it's only a matter of time before they equal the total power numbers.

Gorilla RE 01-22-08 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by crispeed (Post 7770425)
Since I tune both sides I know for a fact that you're not entirely correct. Everyone in the buisness know that with everything being equal meaning weight and horsepower etc. the rotary powered vechicle always out peform the piston powered one. I have people often say that rotary power should be measured differently! :rlaugh:
Now it's a fact that the piston motor have made a lot more power than rotary motor mainly due to development but those days are coming to an end. With the latest breakthrough in performance parts for the rotary motor it's only a matter of time before they equal the total power numbers.

Amen. :bigthumb:

calculon 01-22-08 03:02 PM

no, not at all. I guess that's because I know better than to try and push "75+ pounds of boost" through my motor. Sorry, my answer was based on an assumed meaning of your unintelligible post. Try punctuation. . . it works.

13B-RX3 01-22-08 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by crispeed (Post 7770425)
Now it's a fact that the piston motor have made a lot more power than rotary motor mainly due to development but those days are coming to an end. With the latest breakthrough in performance parts for the rotary motor it's only a matter of time before they equal the total power numbers.



And let me guess, your not going to tell us what that breakthrough is.:Wconfused

T04Eneedy 01-22-08 03:08 PM

whatever that breakthough is it will probably be banned from all sanctioning bodies soon after its introduced... :(

Viking War Hammer 01-22-08 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by 13B-RX3 (Post 7770493)
And let me guess, your not going to tell us what that breakthrough is.:Wconfused

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6-NOS...em320208239208

Gorilla RE 01-22-08 03:15 PM

I don't think it's just "one" thing...but a correlation of them. Though I can think of one really big "breakthrough" thats already changed a lot :)

razorback 01-22-08 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by 13B-RX3 (Post 7770493)
And let me guess, your not going to tell us what that breakthrough is.:Wconfused

engines that dont blow up?


show me one rotary that can compete with brian hinson and his turbo fd on pump gas, and i will then start believeing that rotary and v8s/pistons are equal. i still do not believe a rotary can compete with a v8 in hp.

razorback 01-22-08 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by rotary8 (Post 7770364)
okay razorback pro rwd nhra import weight for 6 cylinder runs 2350 for the rotary engine weight is 2250 so we are not that much lighter the fastest car which is titan motor sports ran a 6.44 the rotary has ran a 6.7 on 75% less boost . if you gave both car the same weight and ran the same boost the piston guys wouldnt even pull their car of the trailer.

what the hell did you say there? come back when you know how to use periods and not use run on sentences. after reading some of that..what i could understand anyway, you know nothing about engines.

dradon03 01-22-08 03:44 PM

Maybe DI or something.

slo 01-22-08 03:50 PM

Bryan hinsons car has what 1300 HP on pump.

Its possible but I wouldn't want to foot the bill, over 500 HP for a 13B on pump has been done, that means a 4 ROTOR with over 1000 HP on pump is possible, maybe even more with a PP turbo, with the right fuel control.

At that point car setup and driver skill could make up for the extra 300 HP.

Thats at least a 50K dollar setup with parts alone.

And even then Bryan Hinsons setup might be the absolute maxed out LSX, but its not the absolute maxed out piston engine.


Originally Posted by razorback (Post 7770648)
engines that dont blow up?


show me one rotary that can compete with brian hinson and his turbo fd on pump gas, and i will then start believeing that rotary and v8s/pistons are equal. i still do not believe a rotary can compete with a v8 in hp.


rotary8 01-22-08 03:51 PM

gas motorsports 2041 hp supra engine
 
dear razorback could you please teach me then.

13B-RX3 01-22-08 03:53 PM

I just really enjoy pestering Chris. He is one of the top contributors to this site and i have personally learned quite a bit from him. I am sure when the time comes and we are ready for it he will fill us all in.


I would be willing to bet it is going to be the aftermarket stepping up to the plate and starting to make some really beefy parts. As it is right now we are mostly using stock components and pushing the limits of them. They already make aftermarket side housings, seals, e-shafts, and studs. I would think the next step would be perfecting the prototype aluminum rotors and maybe aftermarket rotor housings. At that point it would just be a matter of upping the boost, picking up the pieces, figuring out what failed, and making it stronger. Oh course that is what they have been doing all along :).

Latin270 01-22-08 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by rotary8 (Post 7770364)
Okay razorback, Pro RWD NHRA import weight for 6 cylinders is 2350lbs. For the Rotary the weight is 2250lbs. So we are not that much lighter. The fastest car which is titan motor sports ran a 6.44. The rotary has ran a 6.7 on 75% less boost . if you gave both cars the same weight and ran the same boost the piston guys wouldnt even pull their car of the trailer.

Heres a edited version. Yes I understand Spanglish. :icon_tup: ^^^^

13B-RX3 01-22-08 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Viking War Hammer (Post 7769996)
whatever you do, don't post a video




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GRjJBImeQM&NR=1

:fawk:

Viking War Hammer 01-22-08 03:58 PM

Ridiculous

That's the same as Tim Lynch calling out Hinson.

razorback 01-22-08 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by rotary8 (Post 7770699)
dear razorback could you please teach me then.


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...QL._AA280_.jpg

razorback 01-22-08 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by slo (Post 7770697)
Bryan hinsons car has what 1300 HP on pump.

Its possible but I wouldn't want to foot the bill, over 500 HP for a 13B on pump has been done, that means a 4 ROTOR with over 1000 HP on pump is possible, maybe even more with a PP turbo, with the right fuel control.

At that point car setup and driver skill could make up for the extra 300 HP.

Thats at least a 50K dollar setup with parts alone.

And even then Bryan Hinsons setup might be the absolute maxed out LSX, but its not the absolute maxed out piston engine.


ive heard its close to that hp. not 100% certain, point is you can not make that hp on a non turbo rotary on pump gas. then add in weight of a 4 rotor, turbo, and transmission and finding a clutch that could support that.

i dont think his motor is maxed out, it is an aftermarket war hawk block or something of the sort. but its ls based.


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