C4 auto to 13b rew quick question
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Firstly - Im no big hitter in Rotary Racing in Oz
Here is my experiences with auto's behind rotors - albeit Jatco variety
My Rx4 street car - unopened FC 13b - Jatco 3 speed (built), no transbrakes were available at this time (mid 90's) small to4 - 58mm front wheel,1.32rear housing,
6000 stall speed - 7inch convertor,DEEP PAN & always used AMSOIL in the trans, top mount FC intercooler..
This car would happily run 11.4 @ 124 all day, could drive it to & from the track ,
& bwould happily cruise around at 60kph in top gear in traffic without killing the transmission - nail it & it would flash to 6000 & destroy rear tyres
60ft's apprx 1.5 & was ok to get on stall
My RX4 race car - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPAXBJvQTS0
Street ported 20b,std inlet manifolds - 3 x std injectors primary,3 x 1600 secondary, GT45 turbo 66mm front wheel,1.15 rear housing.. (small turbo)
once again Jatco 3 speed - 6000 convertor, 4.77 9" rear 31.5x14 tyre.
This combo would consistently run 8.9-9.2 all day ..Any conditions
Best 60ft 1.17 - that was staying on TB after green
Would consistenty 1.20 during racing whilst leaving with good reaction times .45s
At the 2005 4/6 & Rotary Nationals I had 8 passes
3 in qualifying & 5 in eliminations -best pass 9.01 - slowest 9.22... I won this event - even against those inconsistent manual equiped rotors!!
I Built this car to run 9.00's & race in Bracket events against the V8 crowd - it took me 8 passes to reach this goal & the convertor never came out..
My next aim is 8.00 & have changed transmission to powerglide + a larger turbo
one day I wil ahve a track to race at , our home track is closed indefinately & the nearest safe 1/4mile is 900 miles away
Dont forget PAC PERFORMANCE RX3 years ago was powerglide & ran 7.60 @ 180ish
If I were to build a Pro Car - it would be manual
I have also built a street car for a customer with the same specs as my race car
Jatco 20b etc - gets driven to & from work & happily does hundreds of km's cruising when the weather permits
To you guys building auto Rotars, get you convertor size right, use quality fluid ,
perfect your start line procedure & you will be UNTOUCHABLE in bracket events
Then go & have some fun on the street
REgards
jason
Here is my experiences with auto's behind rotors - albeit Jatco variety
My Rx4 street car - unopened FC 13b - Jatco 3 speed (built), no transbrakes were available at this time (mid 90's) small to4 - 58mm front wheel,1.32rear housing,
6000 stall speed - 7inch convertor,DEEP PAN & always used AMSOIL in the trans, top mount FC intercooler..
This car would happily run 11.4 @ 124 all day, could drive it to & from the track ,
& bwould happily cruise around at 60kph in top gear in traffic without killing the transmission - nail it & it would flash to 6000 & destroy rear tyres
60ft's apprx 1.5 & was ok to get on stall
My RX4 race car - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPAXBJvQTS0
Street ported 20b,std inlet manifolds - 3 x std injectors primary,3 x 1600 secondary, GT45 turbo 66mm front wheel,1.15 rear housing.. (small turbo)
once again Jatco 3 speed - 6000 convertor, 4.77 9" rear 31.5x14 tyre.
This combo would consistently run 8.9-9.2 all day ..Any conditions
Best 60ft 1.17 - that was staying on TB after green
Would consistenty 1.20 during racing whilst leaving with good reaction times .45s
At the 2005 4/6 & Rotary Nationals I had 8 passes
3 in qualifying & 5 in eliminations -best pass 9.01 - slowest 9.22... I won this event - even against those inconsistent manual equiped rotors!!
I Built this car to run 9.00's & race in Bracket events against the V8 crowd - it took me 8 passes to reach this goal & the convertor never came out..
My next aim is 8.00 & have changed transmission to powerglide + a larger turbo
one day I wil ahve a track to race at , our home track is closed indefinately & the nearest safe 1/4mile is 900 miles away
Dont forget PAC PERFORMANCE RX3 years ago was powerglide & ran 7.60 @ 180ish
If I were to build a Pro Car - it would be manual
I have also built a street car for a customer with the same specs as my race car
Jatco 20b etc - gets driven to & from work & happily does hundreds of km's cruising when the weather permits
To you guys building auto Rotars, get you convertor size right, use quality fluid ,
perfect your start line procedure & you will be UNTOUCHABLE in bracket events
Then go & have some fun on the street
REgards
jason
going 11 seconds with a small turbo/tight converter is easy in my opinion.. i had a customer car with a jatco, series 5 13B hybrid turbo and stock converter.. it was consistant but it still didnt 60 foot like a stick car. but it was consistant
the bigger the turbo the more lag=less low end= worse 60 foot time and launch waiting for the converter to come up.. bottom line with a 2 rotor
a 20B on the other hand is a different story, more low end torque, wich works in favor with an auto..
one last thing, what tranny is most popular with pac performance now? not an auto.......
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jason, welcome to the rx7 club.. and congrats on your accomplishments.
going 11 seconds with a small turbo/tight converter is easy in my opinion.. i had a customer car with a jatco, series 5 13B hybrid turbo and stock converter.. it was consistant but it still didnt 60 foot like a stick car. but it was consistant
the bigger the turbo the more lag=less low end= worse 60 foot time and launch waiting for the converter to come up.. bottom line with a 2 rotor
a 20B on the other hand is a different story, more low end torque, wich works in favor with an auto..
one last thing, what tranny is most popular with pac performance now? not an auto.......
going 11 seconds with a small turbo/tight converter is easy in my opinion.. i had a customer car with a jatco, series 5 13B hybrid turbo and stock converter.. it was consistant but it still didnt 60 foot like a stick car. but it was consistant
the bigger the turbo the more lag=less low end= worse 60 foot time and launch waiting for the converter to come up.. bottom line with a 2 rotor
a 20B on the other hand is a different story, more low end torque, wich works in favor with an auto..
one last thing, what tranny is most popular with pac performance now? not an auto.......
re Pac's cars ,are we talking street or race?? if street 9 sec & slower Pac have been using jatco & c4 for 13b power cars, a few still sneak through with supra 5 speeds.. Their 20b power (street) usually are Jatco or Powerglide.
Anything half chassis the generally go clutchless manual
I you get a chance have a look on Ausrotary.com & look in the cars for sale section especially under the username offgutz - he seems to have owned a lot
of Pac built cars that run mid to low 9's using 13b's - most are auto
One thing re watching vid's of aussie auto rotors - a lot of racers here dont care about reaction times - they generally are going for glory trying to pb...
most dont even race at competition type meetings
Get that c4 sorted & enjoy
PS - 20b's do everything easily, even taking your cash
Last edited by chookrx; Aug 9, 2008 at 06:27 AM. Reason: spelling error
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Grasshopper you're a nut, lay off the popcorn 
Eric did you try emailing Keas or Al's race glides to see if they'll see you parts to build your own Jatco??? Or are you going with a domestic type tranny insted??
Eric did you try emailing Keas or Al's race glides to see if they'll see you parts to build your own Jatco??? Or are you going with a domestic type tranny insted??
I emailed KEAS for a list a long time ago and have decided to use a C4 instead. I already have a built C4 sitting in the garage and all the parts, I just need to have a converter build which I'm in the process of doing.
The original thread starter (tinmann55) is ordering his parts through KEAS to build his Jatco.
I sometimes wonder if I'm on a car forum or a Gay Pride Forum.........
I know you're type. I've beaten people like you before. You're the type of person who throws up the "RACE CAR" flag after you've gotten your *** handed to you on the street.
You probably thought my old FD wasn't streetable either, since it had a 4 link
I know you're type. I've beaten people like you before. You're the type of person who throws up the "RACE CAR" flag after you've gotten your *** handed to you on the street.
You probably thought my old FD wasn't streetable either, since it had a 4 link
You know I'm just yanking your chain. I just want to see you at least finish a project sometime in the near future. So far after your FD you have jumped from like 3 or 4 different cars. You can talk all the **** you want and claim you know what your talking about when it comes to auto's and rotaries, but fact is all your knowledge is coming from a few people and watching some youtube vids. Get your **** running down the track with your auto and then you can talk.
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
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Oh, c'mon. At least be a good sport.. That was some funny **** I posted earlier. If you can't laugh at that then there is something wrong with you.
You know I'm just yanking your chain. I just want to see you at least finish a project sometime in the near future. So far after your FD you have jumped from like 3 or 4 different cars. You can talk all the **** you want and claim you know what your talking about when it comes to auto's and rotaries, but fact is all your knowledge is coming from a few people and watching some youtube vids. Get your **** running down the track with your auto and then you can talk.
You know I'm just yanking your chain. I just want to see you at least finish a project sometime in the near future. So far after your FD you have jumped from like 3 or 4 different cars. You can talk all the **** you want and claim you know what your talking about when it comes to auto's and rotaries, but fact is all your knowledge is coming from a few people and watching some youtube vids. Get your **** running down the track with your auto and then you can talk.
With the rotaries and auto's. I'm going by conversations with people from the Aus forum. Since, they actually know what they're talking about. The whole thing with you guys saying you can't run high stall auto's on the streets is just nonsense. I "ride" in them all the time
. Someones gotta set the races up Maybe the laws of physics are different in AUS, maybe that's how they can succesfully run auto's on the streets.
My car might not be done yet, but atleast it runs
I know, I know..........
With the rotaries and auto's. I'm going by conversations with people from the Aus forum. Since, they actually know what they're talking about. The whole thing with you guys saying you can't run high stall auto's on the streets is just nonsense. I "ride" in them all the time . Someones gotta set the races up
Maybe the laws of physics are different in AUS, maybe that's how they can succesfully run auto's on the streets.
My car might not be done yet, but atleast it runs
With the rotaries and auto's. I'm going by conversations with people from the Aus forum. Since, they actually know what they're talking about. The whole thing with you guys saying you can't run high stall auto's on the streets is just nonsense. I "ride" in them all the time
. Someones gotta set the races up Maybe the laws of physics are different in AUS, maybe that's how they can succesfully run auto's on the streets.
My car might not be done yet, but atleast it runs
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Of course the Aussies make it work!!
The tranny fluid flows in a reverse direction just like the toilets & the fact they're using 100% all natural synthetic marsupio oil is a added bonus...
line out..
The tranny fluid flows in a reverse direction just like the toilets & the fact they're using 100% all natural synthetic marsupio oil is a added bonus...
line out..
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
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now i know how they do it, im all set then
ill cal pac performance this week to order up some fresh marcupio oil nice
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Thats top secret info I wasn't supposed to give out, so consider yourselves lucky!!!
As Busted just said, the oil is shipped in a convient pouch and not a regular plastic container to avaid plastic "bleed" contamination.. PM me of you are interested on purchasing a case of this award winning technology... BTW, this Oil DOES NOT COMPRESS like the other brand name oils we know. On a stock tranny, your shifts well fell like money on your pocket, because they're nice & firm..
It's strange no one got into specific detail about the positive effects of reverse fluid flow.. Those Aussie blokes are so darn lucky!!
#6 circle Gamakatsu, fresh bunker chunks.... cast off
As Busted just said, the oil is shipped in a convient pouch and not a regular plastic container to avaid plastic "bleed" contamination.. PM me of you are interested on purchasing a case of this award winning technology... BTW, this Oil DOES NOT COMPRESS like the other brand name oils we know. On a stock tranny, your shifts well fell like money on your pocket, because they're nice & firm..
It's strange no one got into specific detail about the positive effects of reverse fluid flow.. Those Aussie blokes are so darn lucky!!
#6 circle Gamakatsu, fresh bunker chunks.... cast off
I'm the nut? Your just plain wacky. Cookoo cookoo. How much rum have you drank today?
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Out of all the people I honestly thought you was going to be the fish to bite 
..... I guess I need to change my bait or chase after dumber fish
Just for the record.... I'm sober today
Eric why don't you Email your questions to SpeedFM.com.au, maybe Anthony Rod(Maztech) might answer it on Wednesday's show.... Do i have to think of everything around here!!!!
..... I guess I need to change my bait or chase after dumber fish Just for the record.... I'm sober today
Eric why don't you Email your questions to SpeedFM.com.au, maybe Anthony Rod(Maztech) might answer it on Wednesday's show.... Do i have to think of everything around here!!!!
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Last edited by 13BT_Starlet; Aug 10, 2008 at 05:56 PM. Reason: made a mistake
It seems alot of guys are solving their "Lazy Torque" issues with a 3 step.
Have someone pull you up 6" inches before the first beam. Lock the foot brake, switch the trailing coils off, floor the gas while holding a button for the 3 step. Have the 3 step set just before the back wheels wanna turn). Then, back off of the foot brake a little, let it roll into the beams, hit the transbrake (which overrides the foot brake rev limiter and activates its own), let the foot brake go, wait for the light and let go.
Problem solved. Races Won.
Want to see a example?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4kGxW7D-Bk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68r1ss_06RQ
Have someone pull you up 6" inches before the first beam. Lock the foot brake, switch the trailing coils off, floor the gas while holding a button for the 3 step. Have the 3 step set just before the back wheels wanna turn). Then, back off of the foot brake a little, let it roll into the beams, hit the transbrake (which overrides the foot brake rev limiter and activates its own), let the foot brake go, wait for the light and let go.
Problem solved. Races Won.
Want to see a example?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4kGxW7D-Bk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68r1ss_06RQ
It seems alot of guys are solving their "Lazy Torque" issues with a 3 step.
Have someone pull you up 6" inches before the first beam. Lock the foot brake, switch the trailing coils off, floor the gas while holding a button for the 3 step. Have the 3 step set just before the back wheels wanna turn). Then, back off of the foot brake a little, let it roll into the beams, hit the transbrake (which overrides the foot brake rev limiter and activates its own), let the foot brake go, wait for the light and let go.
Problem solved. Races Won.
Want to see a example?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4kGxW7D-Bk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68r1ss_06RQ
Have someone pull you up 6" inches before the first beam. Lock the foot brake, switch the trailing coils off, floor the gas while holding a button for the 3 step. Have the 3 step set just before the back wheels wanna turn). Then, back off of the foot brake a little, let it roll into the beams, hit the transbrake (which overrides the foot brake rev limiter and activates its own), let the foot brake go, wait for the light and let go.
Problem solved. Races Won.
Want to see a example?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4kGxW7D-Bk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68r1ss_06RQ
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I dont want dig in my personal bank accnt