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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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the transbrake has nothing to do with the converter, LOL
oh forgot to mention , I am still working my way to your title Mechanical Engineer know it all !

When are you planning on hitting the 9's ? oh and a quick question weren't you that crook from long time ago with rotaryperformance selling those blowthru webber set up that rip off alot of ppl on the internet .

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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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Thats your answer to your high oil temp , the custom blend .
what the hell are you talking about?
you stated the cheapo auto brand oil is why the trannys were blowing up and i stated even with the best oil the trannys still burn up
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 04:53 PM
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Get it while it's hot.

Hey Thanks 13B-RX3 I was waiting for some one to come thru with the popcorn This soap opra is getting good
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 13BT_Starlet
oh forgot to mention , I am still working my way to your title Mechanical Engineer know it all !

When are you planning on hitting the 9's ? oh and a quick question weren't you that crook from long time ago with rotaryperformance selling those blowthru webber set up that rip off alot of ppl on the internet .
no?!
but i know who your talking about
it does seem like your working to the title of "i know nothing dumb ****". if you think your transbrake is going to solve your converter issues

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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A
no?!
but i know who your talking about
it does seem like your working to the title of i know nothing dumb ****. if you think your transbrake is going to solve your converter issues
I did not say that you did , you said you wasn't a internet mec so you must have a title . so I am going to work on my title so I can meet your expectations !

Are you sure you are not the same guy ? you don't sound convinceing at all !
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 06:09 PM
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this thread has a few perfect examples of how a good education is priceless.. SCHOOL IS IMPORTANT!!

try learning a little

links

http://www.kennedysdynotune.com/Torq...ter%20Tech.htm
some very accurate info

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...rter-info.html
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A
this thread has a few perfect examples of how a good education is priceless.. SCHOOL IS IMPORTANT!!

try learning a little

links

http://www.kennedysdynotune.com/Torq...ter%20Tech.htm
some very accurate info

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...rter-info.html
I really don't care about the info you just posted you just wasted your time looking up things I already know just because I post stupid post letting you hear what you want doesn't mean I dont know anything I am actually alot smarter than you if you come to think about it , with all the spooling prob I am going to have I am till going to knock A WHOLE in that pentie you ware . like I told you when its done you will be the fisrt one to know .
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 13BT_Starlet
I really don't care about the info you just posted you just wasted your time looking up things I already know just because I post stupid post letting you hear what you want doesn't mean I dont know anything I am actually alot smarter than you if you come to think about it , with all the spooling prob I am going to have I am till going to knock A WHOLE in that pentie you ware . like I told you when its done you will be the fisrt one to know .

a perfect reply proving your ignorance, thank you
i did not waste my time looking up info as i am trying to learn as mush as i can. i want to learn, to try to help others as well as myself.. again EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT
p.s. i tried using the google lauange tools and im still having a problem translating what your trying to say.. sorry
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A
this thread has a few perfect examples of how a good education is priceless.. SCHOOL IS IMPORTANT!!

try learning a little

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http://www.kennedysdynotune.com/Torq...ter%20Tech.htm
some very accurate info

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...rter-info.html
Wow, internet links. Try a little learning? How about you try a little real world experience with your "unstreetable autos".
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 06:46 PM
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Wow, internet links. Try a little learning? How about you try a little real world experience with your "unstreetable autos".

i definatly dont have any personal racing expierience with an automatic transmission, but i have lots of friends that do and again im learning alot too..
if your ever on the west coast you should come to a PSCA event.. lots of fun
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Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A
a perfect reply proving your ignorance, thank you
i did not waste my time looking up info as i am trying to learn as mush as i can. i want to learn, to try to help others as well as myself.. again EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT
p.s. i tried using the google lauange tools and im still having a problem translating what your trying to say.. sorry
well after all , are you the old rotaryperformance scamist that's still trying to break into the 9's with everyone else's money because its the only way he could build a car by ripping ppl off and still couldn't . OH for your info english is my second language !
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A
i definatly dont have any personal racing expierience with an automatic transmission, but i have lots of friends that do and again im learning alot too..
if your ever on the west coast you should come to a PSCA event.. lots of fun
maybe that's why you are discouraged with the AT Tranny due to the lack of expierience you should learn of it and perfect whatever wrong you find on it and make it perform the way you want it too .
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A
a perfect reply proving your ignorance, thank you
i did not waste my time looking up info as i am trying to learn as mush as i can. i want to learn, to try to help others as well as myself.. again EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT
p.s. i tried using the google lauange tools and im still having a problem translating what your trying to say.. sorry
abviously you understood every word , you replied !
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A
i definatly dont have any personal racing expierience with an automatic transmission, but i have lots of friends that do and again im learning alot too..
if your ever on the west coast you should come to a PSCA event.. lots of fun
I ride in "streetcars" with 5500 stalls on a monthly basis. When setup right, they can be very fun on the street as long as it's not wet.

http://www.pscaracing.com/

The Wildstreet and Outlaw 10.5 is where it's at.

This is our local guy, that runs a 5500 stall C4 stall on the street. He competes in the Wild Street Classes and has gone 8.80's in his 4 cyl. He also went on the 1600 mile drag week cruise.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...urbo_46283.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/J...urbo_73831.htm
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 07:21 PM
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Please don't close this, there is good information in this thread.
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 10:35 PM
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Another cool video of a local C4 street car, 5500 stall and C4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnW4W6ot5kY
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 11:31 PM
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I admire you guys for trying to make an automatic with a 5500-6000 stall converter streetable but it's not. You may be able to drive it down the block or a couple of miles etc' but there's no way in hell that it is streetable. You're kidding yourself if you believe this. Also, v8's have alot more low end torque so it would be a little easier driving a v8 on the street with a high stall-but by no means streetable. But a rotary that has crappy low end torque and then you are going to spool the turbo up to 6000rpm and then the torque converter is going to grab and you're going to snap your neck back or hit the person in front of you. It's just not going to work. Maybe drive down the street and back or a couple of blocks. I would like to see you drive that car over here in Cali on the 91 freeway between 5pm and 7pm in stop and go traffic. I am not baggin on auto's. Most of the v8 guys use them and they are very reliable. Just for rotaries it seems to take alot more work to get them to work right. There's are reason 99.9 % of all rotary drag racers are using manual type trans. Like I said before if this is what you like and want to do more power to you. Let us know how it turns out.

Also, Viking, I have been meaning to ask you. On your first gen that you are building for a street car. How do you plan on driving for any length of time with a tiny radiator and alcohol? I am no alky engine expert but I do know they go thru several gallons on a single 1/4mile run.

13bT_Starlet. I by no means have a fancy trans right now. Never said I did. I am currently installing a 9" in my rx2 with a TII trans. as this is all I can afford right now. When I can scrape some money up I will eventually get a Gerrico, liberty, etc.
But as requested, here is a vid of me and my duece with a first gen trans. and stock rearend with a 12abp. I built and setup everything on this car myself. My next project is going to be the fastest 12a N/A .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wazGzisCObM

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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 12:11 AM
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I admire you guys for trying to make an automatic with a 5500-6000 stall converter streetable but it's not. You may be able to drive it down the block or a couple of miles etc' but there's no way in hell that it is streetable. You're kidding yourself if you believe this. Also, v8's have alot more low end torque so it would be a little easier driving a v8 on the street with a high stall-but by no means streetable. But a rotary that has crappy low end torque and then you are going to spool the turbo up to 6000rpm and then the torque converter is going to grab and you're going to snap your neck back or hit the person in front of you. It's just not going to work. Maybe drive down the street and back or a couple of blocks. I would like to see you drive that car over here in Cali on the 91 freeway between 5pm and 7pm in stop and go traffic. I am not baggin on auto's. Most of the v8 guys use them and they are very reliable. Just for rotaries it seems to take alot more work to get them to work right. There's are reason 99.9 % of all rotary drag racers are using manual type trans. Like I said before if this is what you like and want to do more power to you. Let us know how it turns out.

Also, Viking, I have been meaning to ask you. On your first gen that you are building for a street car. How do you plan on driving for any length of time with a tiny radiator and alcohol? I am no alky engine expert but I do know they go thru several gallons on a single 1/4mile run.

13bT_Starlet. I by no means have a fancy trans right now. Never said I did. I am currently installing a 9" in my rx2 with a TII trans. as this is all I can afford right now. When I can scrape some money up I will eventually get a Gerrico, liberty, etc.
But as requested, here is a vid of me and my duece with a first gen trans. and stock rearend with a 12abp. I built and setup everything on this car myself. My next project is going to be the fastest 12a N/A .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wazGzisCObM

That's some fast shifting you're doing there ......... now try that with some power


I'm not running alcohol, who told you that?


Some of the AUSSIE guys are coming over to tell you guys what's up.
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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Viking War Hammer
That's some fast shifting you're doing there ......... now try that with some power


I'm not running alcohol, who told you that?


Some of the AUSSIE guys are coming over to tell you guys what's up.
I was not trying to power shift or shift fast in that vid. That actually was just a test run down a street by my house to do some tunning/checking. So yeah, I was granny shifting.

For some reason I thought you were using alky. Ok, tiny radiator and E85, 5500stall and if you really want it streetable throw in a rearend with a full spool too? LOL
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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 12:27 AM
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I was not trying to power shift or shift fast in that vid. That actually was just a test run down a street by my house to do some tunning/checking. So yeah, I was granny shifting.

For some reason I thought you were using alky. Ok, tiny radiator and E85, 5500stall and if you really want it streetable throw in a rearend with a full spool too. LOL
Actually, I do have a Moser Spool. Are you going to tell me that can't be street driven as well?
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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Viking War Hammer
Actually, I do have a Moser Spool. Are you going to tell me that can't be street driven as well?
Anything can be driven on the street. There's vids of outlaw class mustangs that are doing 4 seconds in the 8th that go thru the drivethru at Burgerking. I guess it all depends on what you call "streetable". I call streetable a car that can be daily driven in wet/dry weather conditions for any desirable distances, etc. I guess you have a totally different perspective than me. It's called fantasy land or is that Fantasy island. This must be you in your "streetable car".
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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 01:00 AM
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I sometimes wonder if I'm on a car forum or a Gay Pride Forum.........

I know you're type. I've beaten people like you before. You're the type of person who throws up the "RACE CAR" flag after you've gotten your *** handed to you on the street.

You probably thought my old FD wasn't streetable either, since it had a 4 link
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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 01:38 AM
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the auto debate

Firstly - Im no big hitter in Rotary Racing in Oz

Here is my experiences with auto's behind rotors - albeit Jatco variety

My Rx4 street car - unopened FC 13b - Jatco 3 speed (built), no transbrakes were available at this time (mid 90's) small to4 - 58mm front wheel,1.32rear housing,
6000 stall speed - 7inch convertor,DEEP PAN & always used AMSOIL in the trans, top mount FC intercooler..

This car would happily run 11.4 @ 124 all day, could drive it to & from the track ,
& bwould happily cruise around at 60kph in top gear in traffic without killing the transmission - nail it & it would flash to 6000 & destroy rear tyres
60ft's apprx 1.5 & was ok to get on stall

My RX4 race car - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPAXBJvQTS0

Street ported 20b,std inlet manifolds - 3 x std injectors primary,3 x 1600 secondary, GT45 turbo 66mm front wheel,1.15 rear housing.. (small turbo)
once again Jatco 3 speed - 6000 convertor, 4.77 9" rear 31.5x14 tyre.
This combo would consistently run 8.9-9.2 all day ..Any conditions
Best 60ft 1.17 - that was staying on TB after green
Would consistenty 1.20 during racing whilst leaving with good reaction times .45s

At the 2005 4/6 & Rotary Nationals I had 8 passes
3 in qualifying & 5 in eliminations -best pass 9.01 - slowest 9.22... I won this event - even against those inconsistent manual equiped rotors!!

I Built this car to run 9.00's & race in Bracket events against the V8 crowd - it took me 8 passes to reach this goal & the convertor never came out..
My next aim is 8.00 & have changed transmission to powerglide + a larger turbo
one day I wil ahve a track to race at , our home track is closed indefinately & the nearest safe 1/4mile is 900 miles away

Dont forget PAC PERFORMANCE RX3 years ago was powerglide & ran 7.60 @ 180ish

If I were to build a Pro Car - it would be manual

I have also built a street car for a customer with the same specs as my race car
Jatco 20b etc - gets driven to & from work & happily does hundreds of km's cruising when the weather permits

To you guys building auto Rotars, get you convertor size right, use quality fluid ,
perfect your start line procedure & you will be UNTOUCHABLE in bracket events

Then go & have some fun on the street

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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ultimatejay
Anything can be driven on the street. There's vids of outlaw class mustangs that are doing 4 seconds in the 8th that go thru the drivethru at Burgerking. I guess it all depends on what you call "streetable". I call streetable a car that can be daily driven in wet/dry weather conditions for any desirable distances, etc. I guess you have a totally different perspective than me. It's called fantasy land or is that Fantasy island. This must be you in your "streetable car".
yup, thats pretty much sums it up for viking war hammer have fun in la-la land queer
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