zx10r bashes 600hp vette...see it happen
08-24-05, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ulost2my7
how bout a 700+rwhp supra killing a zx10? 
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....D47&kw=10&p=13
too bad he spun a rod bearing after the race..lol
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....D47&kw=10&p=13
too bad he spun a rod bearing after the race..lol
lol rob i saw that video, umm and i commented on his poor block, longevity
and i am the streetfire king rob u should know..i live there.lol
08-24-05, 07:05 PM
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the new stock 9r does the quarter in 9.6, it'd spank that vette too. That guy racing the supra either can't drive the bike or the supra is a flat 9sec car.
the one in the vid??
i believe it ran low 10s..but dont forget about the supra's amazing top end..700+rwhp on a supra's top end is like whoa..
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Originally Posted by ulost2my7
the one in the vid??
i believe it ran low 10s..but dont forget about the supra's amazing top end..700+rwhp on a supra's top end is like whoa..
i believe it ran low 10s..but dont forget about the supra's amazing top end..700+rwhp on a supra's top end is like whoa..
ANY CAR WITH THAT HP IS LIKE WHOA ON TOP, BUT IN THE REAL WORLD BY THE TIME THAT HP IS USEABLE IN TERMS OF DISTANCE U BETTER BE ON I95 CAUSE I CAN SAY ON THESE NYC STREETS IT REALLY USELESS, I RATHER HAVE A TORQER THEN A HP MONSTER ROUND THESE PARTS...NOW IF I LIVED IN ARIZONA, OR FLORIDA I WOULD DEFINITELY OPT FOR THE TOP END CHOICE
08-24-05, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by angelrx7HEAVEN
ANY CAR WITH THAT HP IS LIKE WHOA ON TOP, BUT IN THE REAL WORLD BY THE TIME THAT HP IS USEABLE IN TERMS OF DISTANCE U BETTER BE ON I95 CAUSE I CAN SAY ON THESE NYC STREETS IT REALLY USELESS, I RATHER HAVE A TORQER THEN A HP MONSTER ROUND THESE PARTS...NOW IF I LIVED IN ARIZONA, OR FLORIDA I WOULD DEFINITELY OPT FOR THE TOP END CHOICE
well if i had a car with that kind of power, i def wont be doing no 1320 race..its def gonna be off a roll..and believe me, with a 700+rwhp car, getting to 140 happens in a matter of seconds..so its not like you're gonna be using a whole lot of pavement..lol
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Originally Posted by ulost2my7
well if i had a car with that kind of power, i def wont be doing no 1320 race..its def gonna be off a roll..and believe me, with a 700+rwhp car, getting to 140 happens in a matter of seconds..so its not like you're gonna be using a whole lot of pavement..lol
yeah well dont forget u have to stop rob.lol..in 1 live piece i hope.lol...trust me...my bike does 160 mph on the bridge near my house, about .5 to 3/4 miles i mite say....and its scary when the cars rears look like a baseball comin at me....
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Originally Posted by Motor City RX-7
the '05 GSXR1000 has one....and it's a little lighter, same peak hp, and more torque....better overall bike, but I agree the 10R in black is gorgeous....on the track, the GSXR dominates, the handling of the stock 10R is way behind
the '04-05 YZF-R1 has them all beat in looks imo...especially that burgundy color with the dual tip high pipes...wow...stunning
another helpful link on the aerodynamics issue
http://www.bobnorwood.com/300%20mph%...nd%20Power.htm
the '04-05 YZF-R1 has them all beat in looks imo...especially that burgundy color with the dual tip high pipes...wow...stunning
another helpful link on the aerodynamics issue
http://www.bobnorwood.com/300%20mph%...nd%20Power.htm
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When are you silly cagers going to realize that no car can compare to a bike. There isn't a car in the world, EVER, for the price of a bike that is also just as fast and effecient.
And don't give me that handling crap, it's been proven that bikes are just as fast if not faster in the bends. Lateral grip on a bike is less, but it doesn't need as much to turn fast. Nor does the bike fight it's weight in a corner like a car.
And don't give me that handling crap, it's been proven that bikes are just as fast if not faster in the bends. Lateral grip on a bike is less, but it doesn't need as much to turn fast. Nor does the bike fight it's weight in a corner like a car.
08-25-05, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by onikageka
When are you silly cagers going to realize that no car can compare to a bike. There isn't a car in the world, EVER, for the price of a bike that is also just as fast and effecient.
And don't give me that handling crap, it's been proven that bikes are just as fast if not faster in the bends. Lateral grip on a bike is less, but it doesn't need as much to turn fast. Nor does the bike fight it's weight in a corner like a car.
And don't give me that handling crap, it's been proven that bikes are just as fast if not faster in the bends. Lateral grip on a bike is less, but it doesn't need as much to turn fast. Nor does the bike fight it's weight in a corner like a car.
well spoken, but u will se a lot of opposition from some people in here...offcourse they like picking on me cause they like the action they get..i make threads very interesting but now i am tired, hope take over while i am on a break
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I think the biggest problem cagers have with bikes is that it hurts their "sports car pride" to be told something cheaper and smaller is faster than their car. And the real kick in the teeth comes when some of them realize they either don't have the guts to ride, or can't because mommy and daddy (or wife/husband) say they can't.
Now I'm not saying cars aren't great, but facts are facts and bikes are faster.
Now I'm not saying cars aren't great, but facts are facts and bikes are faster.
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Originally Posted by angelrx7HEAVEN
well um that depends, lets compare surface area, the surface of a bike is much smaller, and the zx10r has the surface area smaller then the 600 ninja!, 33% less at that and was created in a wind tunnel! ....thats in reference to the response about surface area and drag...., about hp > i saw a 638 fwhp is 300 get beat by an r1, and pretty bad at that, so i believe for that vette to hang so close to that ninja he needed serious ponies, and the nos busa as u can see was just monstruos. oh btw the vette was supercharged, n/a hp was probably 600 hp, and at 15-20 psi i think its feasable to see those numbers...look at the procharger website for more details. thats why i am gonna go with a 500 hp street thumper in my fd, i wanna the torque and hp, and the sound of that mean 383 with afr heads with a roller cam. dadayuuuuuuummmmmmm 
You say the 'vette was NA, around 600 HP.
600 NA hp from an LSx requires at least a stroker and a big f'in cam. A 383 would be pushing it. If you listen to the video, it certainly didn't sound like it had a big cam. I can't prove it, but I seriously doubt the 600 NA figure.
15-20 psi?
There is no way in hell you can run 20 psi on an LSx, forged or not. Even on race gas with a 9/8.5:1 CR, you're probably not good for more than about 15-18psi, tops. And with a CR that low, you NA claim just went completely down the crapper. Not to mention that a blower takes TONS of power to spin.
Make no mistake- a 900 hp vette is obtainable. It just takes a lot of cash, turbos/spray, and knowledge to do it. I don't know of any supercharged C5 put down over 700 rwhp, let alone 750+.
That 'vette did not sound or look like it had over 500 rwhp. Hell, my C5 sounds meaner than that. And it's practically stock!
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I don't think any hooligan on here is under any delusions about high horse/torque cars being faster from a top gear roll than a stock liter bike. A 600 HP vette at 150 + should pull on any stock 1000 bike or busa. I really doubt it could touch my zx 10 under 150... personally. Of course how often do any of us race starting at 100+
I know my 10 tops out at an indicated 189 (even though the rpms will keep going up after it reaches 189 and the speedo won't) Give the 10 a full pipe, commander and 25 shot with stock gearing the bike is going to see 200+ and get there QUICK. The Pipe and commander alone will squeeze somewhere around 15 horse out of the 10. (best stock run I've ever seen on a 10 was 9.7 {not me personally} With those mods' you'd be looking at extremely low 9's if not 9 flat with a longer swingarm). Just so you know the zx10 hp stated earlier is at the wheel. At the crank the 10 makes about 186 and the gsxr makes around 187.
Aerodynamics are of course the bikes downfall. There is a reason you didn't see that car race the bike from a dig or a low speed roll (Stock ZX10 0-60 in 2.7 quarter in 9.7 and first gear tops out at redline at 104). It would of been a landslide victory for the bike.
I know my 10 tops out at an indicated 189 (even though the rpms will keep going up after it reaches 189 and the speedo won't) Give the 10 a full pipe, commander and 25 shot with stock gearing the bike is going to see 200+ and get there QUICK. The Pipe and commander alone will squeeze somewhere around 15 horse out of the 10. (best stock run I've ever seen on a 10 was 9.7 {not me personally} With those mods' you'd be looking at extremely low 9's if not 9 flat with a longer swingarm). Just so you know the zx10 hp stated earlier is at the wheel. At the crank the 10 makes about 186 and the gsxr makes around 187.
Aerodynamics are of course the bikes downfall. There is a reason you didn't see that car race the bike from a dig or a low speed roll (Stock ZX10 0-60 in 2.7 quarter in 9.7 and first gear tops out at redline at 104). It would of been a landslide victory for the bike.
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Originally Posted by MeatGaZer
I don't think any hooligan on here is under any delusions about high horse/torque cars being faster from a top gear roll than a stock liter bike. A 600 HP vette at 150 + should pull on any stock 1000 bike or busa. I really doubt it could touch my zx 10 under 150... personally. Of course how often do any of us race starting at 100+
I know my 10 tops out at an indicated 189 (even though the rpms will keep going up after it reaches 189 and the speedo won't) Give the 10 a full pipe, commander and 25 shot with stock gearing the bike is going to see 200+ and get there QUICK. The Pipe and commander alone will squeeze somewhere around 15 horse out of the 10. (best stock run I've ever seen on a 10 was 9.7 {not me personally} With those mods' you'd be looking at extremely low 9's if not 9 flat with a longer swingarm). Just so you know the zx10 hp stated earlier is at the wheel. At the crank the 10 makes about 186 and the gsxr makes around 187.
Aerodynamics are of course the bikes downfall. There is a reason you didn't see that car race the bike from a dig or a low speed roll (Stock ZX10 0-60 in 2.7 quarter in 9.7 and first gear tops out at redline at 104). It would of been a landslide victory for the bike.
I know my 10 tops out at an indicated 189 (even though the rpms will keep going up after it reaches 189 and the speedo won't) Give the 10 a full pipe, commander and 25 shot with stock gearing the bike is going to see 200+ and get there QUICK. The Pipe and commander alone will squeeze somewhere around 15 horse out of the 10. (best stock run I've ever seen on a 10 was 9.7 {not me personally} With those mods' you'd be looking at extremely low 9's if not 9 flat with a longer swingarm). Just so you know the zx10 hp stated earlier is at the wheel. At the crank the 10 makes about 186 and the gsxr makes around 187.
Aerodynamics are of course the bikes downfall. There is a reason you didn't see that car race the bike from a dig or a low speed roll (Stock ZX10 0-60 in 2.7 quarter in 9.7 and first gear tops out at redline at 104). It would of been a landslide victory for the bike.
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Originally Posted by Umrswimr
I will leave the aero discussion out as it was already replied to.
You say the 'vette was NA, around 600 HP.
600 NA hp from an LSx requires at least a stroker and a big f'in cam. A 383 would be pushing it. If you listen to the video, it certainly didn't sound like it had a big cam. I can't prove it, but I seriously doubt the 600 NA figure.
15-20 psi?
There is no way in hell you can run 20 psi on an LSx, forged or not. Even on race gas with a 9/8.5:1 CR, you're probably not good for more than about 15-18psi, tops. And with a CR that low, you NA claim just went completely down the crapper. Not to mention that a blower takes TONS of power to spin.
Make no mistake- a 900 hp vette is obtainable. It just takes a lot of cash, turbos/spray, and knowledge to do it. I don't know of any supercharged C5 put down over 700 rwhp, let alone 750+.
That 'vette did not sound or look like it had over 500 rwhp. Hell, my C5 sounds meaner than that. And it's practically stock!
You say the 'vette was NA, around 600 HP.
600 NA hp from an LSx requires at least a stroker and a big f'in cam. A 383 would be pushing it. If you listen to the video, it certainly didn't sound like it had a big cam. I can't prove it, but I seriously doubt the 600 NA figure.
15-20 psi?
There is no way in hell you can run 20 psi on an LSx, forged or not. Even on race gas with a 9/8.5:1 CR, you're probably not good for more than about 15-18psi, tops. And with a CR that low, you NA claim just went completely down the crapper. Not to mention that a blower takes TONS of power to spin.
Make no mistake- a 900 hp vette is obtainable. It just takes a lot of cash, turbos/spray, and knowledge to do it. I don't know of any supercharged C5 put down over 700 rwhp, let alone 750+.
That 'vette did not sound or look like it had over 500 rwhp. Hell, my C5 sounds meaner than that. And it's practically stock!
umm well maybe ur rite i am not an expert on V8 stuff but i dont like aluminum blocks, i prefer iron, stronger and more durable, also the procharger website features a few monstour combo on on 350 and 383 engines, i agree it would need to be stroked and cammed radically...like i said no 1 really knows, we have to assume, but the bottom line is like meatgazer stated..i dont do 100 mph roll0ff races..and i dont really know of any sanctioned events that do so either.
maybe u should race a zx10r from 40 phm and see how u fair, show us the video of ur defeat. 
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Couple things to add.
1. Aerodynamics are not all about frontal area, that is just the first part. The part that screws up a bike is the *** end and the rider. All the open area around the swingarm kills a bike. Sport rider did a wind tunnel test between the ZX12R and the Hayabusa, two of the most aerodynamic production bikes ever, and at the end of the article they said that even thought the numbers seemed pretty good that they weren't that impressive compaired to some cars. If you don't believe it I'll post the article but it's been posted on this forum about 1000 times.
2. The turbo Busa in that video had a serious boost leak and it was robbing it's power in a bad way. I can't remember the exact reason for the FI light blinking though.
3. It took an Supercharged Viper 886RWHP to equally match a bone stock Hayabusa. They did back to back runs and up top the Viper started to edge out. The Hayabusa was running a nitrous map (no nitrous and everything else was bone stock), so it was running really rich and it actually lost a couple ponies. At least one or two races the Busa edged out in front so it was pretty much a draw. The Hayabusa is faster than the ZX10R top speed stock vs stock so this will show you that a car with 900RWHP should have no problem taking down any stock bike in a hi speed roll.
4. Even though most people think that there is no skill involved in a roll on race while riding a bike are nuts. Gear selection will make or break the race and how you tuck will make or break the top speed of the bike. If you have an elbow sticking out or your head to high you will loose MPH.
1. Aerodynamics are not all about frontal area, that is just the first part. The part that screws up a bike is the *** end and the rider. All the open area around the swingarm kills a bike. Sport rider did a wind tunnel test between the ZX12R and the Hayabusa, two of the most aerodynamic production bikes ever, and at the end of the article they said that even thought the numbers seemed pretty good that they weren't that impressive compaired to some cars. If you don't believe it I'll post the article but it's been posted on this forum about 1000 times.
2. The turbo Busa in that video had a serious boost leak and it was robbing it's power in a bad way. I can't remember the exact reason for the FI light blinking though.
3. It took an Supercharged Viper 886RWHP to equally match a bone stock Hayabusa. They did back to back runs and up top the Viper started to edge out. The Hayabusa was running a nitrous map (no nitrous and everything else was bone stock), so it was running really rich and it actually lost a couple ponies. At least one or two races the Busa edged out in front so it was pretty much a draw. The Hayabusa is faster than the ZX10R top speed stock vs stock so this will show you that a car with 900RWHP should have no problem taking down any stock bike in a hi speed roll.
4. Even though most people think that there is no skill involved in a roll on race while riding a bike are nuts. Gear selection will make or break the race and how you tuck will make or break the top speed of the bike. If you have an elbow sticking out or your head to high you will loose MPH.
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yeah i don't get on here as much anymore.
nice ride man, email me some pictures when you get a chance, what color did you get.
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nice ride man, email me some pictures when you get a chance, what color did you get.
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Originally Posted by Busa413
Couple things to add.
1. Aerodynamics are not all about frontal area, that is just the first part. The part that screws up a bike is the *** end and the rider. All the open area around the swingarm kills a bike. Sport rider did a wind tunnel test between the ZX12R and the Hayabusa, two of the most aerodynamic production bikes ever, and at the end of the article they said that even thought the numbers seemed pretty good that they weren't that impressive compaired to some cars. If you don't believe it I'll post the article but it's been posted on this forum about 1000 times.
2. The turbo Busa in that video had a serious boost leak and it was robbing it's power in a bad way. I can't remember the exact reason for the FI light blinking though.
3. It took an Supercharged Viper 886RWHP to equally match a bone stock Hayabusa. They did back to back runs and up top the Viper started to edge out. The Hayabusa was running a nitrous map (no nitrous and everything else was bone stock), so it was running really rich and it actually lost a couple ponies. At least one or two races the Busa edged out in front so it was pretty much a draw. The Hayabusa is faster than the ZX10R top speed stock vs stock so this will show you that a car with 900RWHP should have no problem taking down any stock bike in a hi speed roll.
4. Even though most people think that there is no skill involved in a roll on race while riding a bike are nuts. Gear selection will make or break the race and how you tuck will make or break the top speed of the bike. If you have an elbow sticking out or your head to high you will loose MPH.
1. Aerodynamics are not all about frontal area, that is just the first part. The part that screws up a bike is the *** end and the rider. All the open area around the swingarm kills a bike. Sport rider did a wind tunnel test between the ZX12R and the Hayabusa, two of the most aerodynamic production bikes ever, and at the end of the article they said that even thought the numbers seemed pretty good that they weren't that impressive compaired to some cars. If you don't believe it I'll post the article but it's been posted on this forum about 1000 times.
2. The turbo Busa in that video had a serious boost leak and it was robbing it's power in a bad way. I can't remember the exact reason for the FI light blinking though.
3. It took an Supercharged Viper 886RWHP to equally match a bone stock Hayabusa. They did back to back runs and up top the Viper started to edge out. The Hayabusa was running a nitrous map (no nitrous and everything else was bone stock), so it was running really rich and it actually lost a couple ponies. At least one or two races the Busa edged out in front so it was pretty much a draw. The Hayabusa is faster than the ZX10R top speed stock vs stock so this will show you that a car with 900RWHP should have no problem taking down any stock bike in a hi speed roll.
4. Even though most people think that there is no skill involved in a roll on race while riding a bike are nuts. Gear selection will make or break the race and how you tuck will make or break the top speed of the bike. If you have an elbow sticking out or your head to high you will loose MPH.
u make a lot of sense in what u say there. um but i need to see that evidence, i dont know who is faster on top between the busa and the zx10, but i know the aero of the zx10r is way better then the busa...thats know, and my zx10 stops at 189 mph on the speedo but the rpms and speed keep goin...so i need proof from the experts on that 1...but goin back to the cars. wth has 900 rwhp ...lmao, all motor...not, and who races a bike from 100...nobody i know, but this i do know...my mpg is 35-40...1st gear is 104, limited by the computer, my bike was 11500 cash at the dealer. viper is about 80k new..thats cash at that, mpg with 900 hp....hmm about 5 mpg if you are lucky, 1st gear rolls to maybe 45 i would think...so theres the comparo...oh wait 900 hp from the stock number add about 50k in mods and mechanic expenses, she's an expensive machine, not no stang..offcourse thats just a comparo between a stock bike and a heavily modded super exotic..so the point to me is we agree, bikes are superoir, much stronger, faster and cheaper then a car ever can be, without buying 3 houses worth of stuff u can have a bike that does it all, and pick a hoochie up about 2mins
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4. Even though most people think that there is no skill involved in a roll on race while riding a bike are nuts. Gear selection will make or break the race and how you tuck will make or break the top speed of the bike. If you have an elbow sticking out or your head to high you will loose MPH.[/QUOTE]
oh yeah busa on this ur so rite man...it takes a real good rider, and a seriously tucked-in posture to go those speeds, and remember the part of a bike's wheel hitting a rock the size of a golf ball at that speed, some1 say closed coffin funeral please
oh yeah busa on this ur so rite man...it takes a real good rider, and a seriously tucked-in posture to go those speeds, and remember the part of a bike's wheel hitting a rock the size of a golf ball at that speed, some1 say closed coffin funeral please
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I dont think anyone ever said cars are better, faster,cheaper or more efficent. this has been obvious for years.. duh.. whos going to argue with that.
ALL I am saying is that 95% of people who ride bikes CANNOT ride them even remotely close to its full potential. with that said I think a normal everyday car ( e36 m3, sti, evo, rx7, s2000, nsx, even a civic with susp mods with a DECENT driver could out run a bike on a tight course with an avg rider.
And a low 10 sec car with a good driver will beat 95% of riders with 600-1300cc from a STOP. Soley on the fact that they will not be able to get out of the hole fast enough and wont have enough time to catch up.. They will lose every time.. unless ofcourse u have a great rider that can actually run a 9.7 in the quarter.
OH and ANGEL you want to race me on a pkwy that is mostly straight?..(yea I forgot u only ride in straight lines) Listen I will be at Pocono East on Sat Sept 10 with my bike and a fresh set of h2 race tires. Come down bring ur crew\gang and we will chill. Maybe I will show u how to turn ur bike. We cant race because they wont let u in the expert class with me but we can compare lap times if u want....?? oh and u have a much stronger bike..ur adv... Ill be there..
ALL I am saying is that 95% of people who ride bikes CANNOT ride them even remotely close to its full potential. with that said I think a normal everyday car ( e36 m3, sti, evo, rx7, s2000, nsx, even a civic with susp mods with a DECENT driver could out run a bike on a tight course with an avg rider.
And a low 10 sec car with a good driver will beat 95% of riders with 600-1300cc from a STOP. Soley on the fact that they will not be able to get out of the hole fast enough and wont have enough time to catch up.. They will lose every time.. unless ofcourse u have a great rider that can actually run a 9.7 in the quarter.
OH and ANGEL you want to race me on a pkwy that is mostly straight?..(yea I forgot u only ride in straight lines) Listen I will be at Pocono East on Sat Sept 10 with my bike and a fresh set of h2 race tires. Come down bring ur crew\gang and we will chill. Maybe I will show u how to turn ur bike. We cant race because they wont let u in the expert class with me but we can compare lap times if u want....?? oh and u have a much stronger bike..ur adv... Ill be there..
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Actually... With the Zx10's and k5's slipper clutch.... Launches really aren't that hard anymore. Plus any car that has enough torque and horse to run 10's is going to have a real hard time launching on street tires. If we are going for straight dragging it's real easy for a bike to not hoist the front tire in the air than it is for an average driver to link up a 600 -900 horse power car from a dig (why do you think supra guys don't race from digs). From easy to hard.... I can strap my front end, Lower my bike an inch, or get a longer swingarm.
So unless that average rider is pitted against a car set up for the track (suspension and tires) and a very good driver he's not going to have a problem taking down any super cars.
As for stock busa's compared to zx10's. Zx10's accelerate faster than the busa on the low end (think 130 and below) after that the busa is accelerates faster. Both have an indicated topspeed of about 190 (the legend of stock busa's hitting 200 is BS).
Of course here we are comparing ultra highly modded cars to stock bikes. Lets assume that the bike had about 6 g's worth of mods done to it. A full pipe, commander, longer swingarm, some good rubber, and for ***** and giggles a 25 shot of nitrous. No street car on earth is going to give a zx10 with those mods a run for its money ( People have gotten the zx10 around 9.2 in the quarter by simply lowering the bike).
Simply put the old bike vs car argument is a dead horse. How can you compare a high strung 4 cylinder that puts out more horse than most cars out there and 1/3 of the displacement strapped to two wheels to a factory production car? Both have their merits and have different strong points. Riding isn't for everyone though. It takes alot of ***** to race on a bike (getting the bike up to about 150 sliding into a unforseen sweeper turn or just simply doing top speed runs on the highway) let alone on a real track.
So unless that average rider is pitted against a car set up for the track (suspension and tires) and a very good driver he's not going to have a problem taking down any super cars.
As for stock busa's compared to zx10's. Zx10's accelerate faster than the busa on the low end (think 130 and below) after that the busa is accelerates faster. Both have an indicated topspeed of about 190 (the legend of stock busa's hitting 200 is BS).
Of course here we are comparing ultra highly modded cars to stock bikes. Lets assume that the bike had about 6 g's worth of mods done to it. A full pipe, commander, longer swingarm, some good rubber, and for ***** and giggles a 25 shot of nitrous. No street car on earth is going to give a zx10 with those mods a run for its money ( People have gotten the zx10 around 9.2 in the quarter by simply lowering the bike).
Simply put the old bike vs car argument is a dead horse. How can you compare a high strung 4 cylinder that puts out more horse than most cars out there and 1/3 of the displacement strapped to two wheels to a factory production car? Both have their merits and have different strong points. Riding isn't for everyone though. It takes alot of ***** to race on a bike (getting the bike up to about 150 sliding into a unforseen sweeper turn or just simply doing top speed runs on the highway) let alone on a real track.
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Originally Posted by angelrx7HEAVEN
umm well maybe ur rite i am not an expert on V8 stuff but i dont like aluminum blocks, i prefer iron, stronger and more durable,
Iron blocks were for people on a budget or those who didn't want to have their Lsx resleeved. Now with the LS2 out, 6L Iron blocks are just plain stupid.
FInally, I would not trust ANYTHING I see on the procharger website. Their LSx kits are notoriously flakey, which is why tuners like ECS and A&A have such a loyal following: they reengineered the kit to actually work.
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Originally Posted by turboR1
I dont think anyone ever said cars are better, faster,cheaper or more efficent. this has been obvious for years.. duh.. whos going to argue with that.
ALL I am saying is that 95% of people who ride bikes CANNOT ride them even remotely close to its full potential. with that said I think a normal everyday car ( e36 m3, sti, evo, rx7, s2000, nsx, even a civic with susp mods with a DECENT driver could out run a bike on a tight course with an avg rider.
And a low 10 sec car with a good driver will beat 95% of riders with 600-1300cc from a STOP. Soley on the fact that they will not be able to get out of the hole fast enough and wont have enough time to catch up.. They will lose every time.. unless ofcourse u have a great rider that can actually run a 9.7 in the quarter.
OH and ANGEL you want to race me on a pkwy that is mostly straight?..(yea I forgot u only ride in straight lines) Listen I will be at Pocono East on Sat Sept 10 with my bike and a fresh set of h2 race tires. Come down bring ur crew\gang and we will chill. Maybe I will show u how to turn ur bike. We cant race because they wont let u in the expert class with me but we can compare lap times if u want....?? oh and u have a much stronger bike..ur adv... Ill be there..
ALL I am saying is that 95% of people who ride bikes CANNOT ride them even remotely close to its full potential. with that said I think a normal everyday car ( e36 m3, sti, evo, rx7, s2000, nsx, even a civic with susp mods with a DECENT driver could out run a bike on a tight course with an avg rider.
And a low 10 sec car with a good driver will beat 95% of riders with 600-1300cc from a STOP. Soley on the fact that they will not be able to get out of the hole fast enough and wont have enough time to catch up.. They will lose every time.. unless ofcourse u have a great rider that can actually run a 9.7 in the quarter.
OH and ANGEL you want to race me on a pkwy that is mostly straight?..(yea I forgot u only ride in straight lines) Listen I will be at Pocono East on Sat Sept 10 with my bike and a fresh set of h2 race tires. Come down bring ur crew\gang and we will chill. Maybe I will show u how to turn ur bike. We cant race because they wont let u in the expert class with me but we can compare lap times if u want....?? oh and u have a much stronger bike..ur adv... Ill be there..
again it speaks, good to see u have sum ***** afterall...the jackie robinson is all twisties...but it figures u didnt know...oh and now bikes are so great...every body knows huh, not what u were preaching a few days ago, u sound like a politician, trying to be friends with every1...be a man, hold ur ground, and see me anytime on the twisties or the str8s with ur bike...i will read ur eulogy
turbo show urself on the bike i did, be brave, i dont believe u, and the more u speak u sound even more of a liar, u dont know the jackie rob...hmmm strange for a ny'er...actually reasonable for a ny'liar...and dont post any1 elses pics either....waitin
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