Motor City RX-7

not the age old power to weight "argument" by yet another moron who does not understand basic physics or the relationship between rolling resistance, aerodynamic drag, and horsepower

http://www.spiretech.com/%7Epk-lk/pat/road-load.htm

at higher speed, ESPECIALLY anything in the triple digits, aerodynamic drag and horsepower DOMINATE the relationship....Ihow many times do I have to take little kids on this forum back to school on this topic? and yes I ride a YZF-R1 and own an FD (aside from being a professional engineer), I know what I'm talking about

a 600 hp (let alone a 900 hp!! what a crock of ****!) vette would EASILY run down a 165 hp bike above 100 mph...I've seen Supras and RX-7s do it repeatedly

your information is wrong....to beat a 600-700 hp car you need something like a turbo Busa with over 200 hp and relatively "good" (for a bike) aerodynamics, I've seen plenty of Busa/Supra videos to back this up, and the bike did not pull away easily by any means

the vette in that video is making about 450-480 rwhp, I could care less what anyone on here thinks...ambient temps may have had something to do with it

Poweraxel

the '05 10R doesnt have one either. hopefully on the expected redesigned '06 they will have a dampener. do you have a black '04? by far the black '04 looks the best!

Motor City RX-7

the '05 GSXR1000 has one....and it's a little lighter, same peak hp, and more torque....better overall bike, but I agree the 10R in black is gorgeous....on the track, the GSXR dominates, the handling of the stock 10R is way behind

the '04-05 YZF-R1 has them all beat in looks imo...especially that burgundy color with the dual tip high pipes...wow...stunning

another helpful link on the aerodynamics issue

http://www.bobnorwood.com/300%20mph%...nd%20Power.htm

turboR1

All it takes is a low 10 sec car to beat ANY bike from a stop.... after 100mph a low 11 sec car can pull a bike no problem.

STOP referring to mag times on bikes.... 95% of bike owners CANNOT launch a bike to get a 10 sec time slip.

Dont even bother arguing with Angelfag, he has no clue what he is talking about.. let alone the knowledge of a 5 year old...

zx10r is the worst bike compared to its competitors.. even with more power...

Poweraxel

'04 R1 in titanium... 2nd favorite!

angelrx7HEAVEN

well in regards of your disagreement i find validity to what you are saying, certainly above the 100 mph marks a car has many advantages, ummm but i really wasnt talkin about that, just makin general statements about accerleration, btw i even gave u a positive rep just to show ya that i think u know what u are speakin about, just think you are speakin about a different thing then what i was...if u look at the video the corvette was actually gonna catch up on the zx10r..it was a close margin, and without a doubt it woulda caught up on top for sure....i mean around the 180 + mark, so i think we are actually both rite, no arguement here

angelrx7HEAVEN

well i disagree, i had a gsxr 1000, got stolen, then i got the kawi...it will rip the gsxr a new *******, and remember i owned both..better is just better, as for handling...at first i felt the kaw was very unstable but after learning to control its power and understanding it weight properties,( and buying new rearsets i mite add) i am gettin really comfortable with it. and the bottom line is that it doesnt really matter what we think because the mags choose the zx10r as the bike of the year again...and again i remind you i owned them both..but its all opinion, i know guys that have 600s that can beat almost any1 even me with the zx10r, simply better riders, and crazy. and i know guys with stock rx7s that beat stangs and vettes that we all will swear they cant...driver ability is a major factor, they both are great bikes basically..next year probably the honda mite win or the yam..its all bs after all is factored in anyway

angelrx7HEAVEN

oh btw i just wanted to say that this a forum, i know u weren't speaking to me about the kids, and morons, and so on bit, because i dont fit the mold. However, i did find it intrigueing that some1 of you caliber would stoop to argue the issue at all with rhetoric and chatter. But fair is fair and while agree with ur position by the context that is was presented ...i disagree with the ludacris statement made about the vette to have 480 to wheel...umm lets analyze...my 383 has about 480 to wheel NA add a supercharger...(which this vette had) and boost 8 psi...equals basically .5 atm increase and proportionally in an ideal world about 50% more power so half of 480 is 240...so 240 plus 480 equals 720..but add another 8 psi and u get another 240... in the ideal world so thats 960 hp..offcourse a lot of factors take hold but u see the realtionship i hope. we are all assuming that the videos we see and the riders are all forthcoming of facts and not fiction, so we have no real scientific means of knowing truth except to accept what we have for face value. Again i think you know your stuff and i am not on the personal attack thing, the hateration isnt my speed really. Just makin pointers and hope thats how it stays.

angelrx7HEAVEN

here is a link we should all look at inrespect to cars and bikes...read all the articles, and then make an informed choice in what to believe

http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=2771

like scientists we all have differents schools of though, but in the end, we will all die and be judged.

turboR1

Angel Im very proud of you, I take back what I said. your maturity level is going up a bit.
Although I still dont agree with any info you post you are much more civilized and not attacking other members like in the past..

Its dosnt take much to beat a bike in any race, drag, TRACK or hwy... I dont understand why you find this so hard to believe..maybe u just havent been around it enough or at all.. Most of the time they are fully streetable cars with full interior and A|C..

you got to get out of that my zx10 is the fastest thing on earth mentality.

angelrx7HEAVEN

well turbo i am very respctful, but we all have our limits. I am not here to argue with people or get into back and forth silly cursing bouts.. i am about learning, sharing, and expanding on ideas that we car enthusiast can all benefit from. I think by the most part that you and a few others take a singularity that mention and run with it without researching the entire theme.. i agree with u again that cars and bikes all differ, sum times 1 wins sum times not...happens, there are so many variables, and combos involved. If u read all the posts i rote with an open mind you would see that basically we all are pretty much in agreement, even sayin the same things sometimes but in a different sentence. Seems that human pride, and ego some how interefere with the scientific portion of our mind. Seems we would rather argue about tails i win heads u lose..lmao, u see what i mean here. I am pretty sure if we were all sitting round having drinks, and talkin car stufff we would agree by the most part, argue a lil, and laff it all off at the end of the nite

turboR1

Im just curious... I cant think of any at the moment.. Does anyone know of a track that Formula 1 and Moto GP both use?

That would be interesting to compare lap times... Now thats R&D to the fullest.. dosnt get any better... best machines and drivers in the world.

Which would be faster around the same course....my bet goes to formula 1..

angelrx7HEAVEN

i would agree..there is no way imma race on a bike at 220 for more then a few sec on a straight line, and curves forget it...and even the best riders are gonna experience such great fatigue at those speeds, that hands down, even my mothers corrolla will eventually take them

turboR1

OK here you go... only did a quick search but there might be other tracks.

Catalunya, Spain.. Both motogp and formula 1 use that track

TRACK RECORD.. Formula 1 1:15.641 Giancarlo Fisichella 8-5-2005
MotoGP My man Valentino Rossi 1'43.195 in 2005

Thats a big difference 28 sec's..

turboR1

your mothers corrolla will take YOU u mean... Those are professional riders that are trained and comfortable at those speeds... They REST on the straights.

fcrx88

no damper on the zx10. and the turbo busa chase bike looked like something was wrong when he raced the vette. did anyone else see his fi light going crazy?

angelrx7HEAVEN

well again we agree, ur point is

angelrx7HEAVEN

hmmmm well keep in mind there are 2 busas, the turbo on and the nos busa, i can assure u that which ever one is was, the stock ecu and alarms would likely sound since they are makin crazy hp, but umm whats the point of the statement...is there something more to what you are trying to say, i missed it maybe, any1 else understand what i mean..please clarify...but if u want an answer, nothin was wrong, except that the stock alarms sometimes function as they are supposed to when they read settings that are not in accordance with factory parameters

angelrx7HEAVEN

on a str8 i can do anything but i aint messing with curves at out rageous speeds, and in no way can i compete with such professional riders, as in no way can u peteu cant with with f1 drivers, umm again, maybe its me but , we agree, ur point being

turboR1

My point is that cars handle allot better then bikes do around curves. you disagreed with that several times maybe not in this thread but others...

If u like going straight so much maybe u should sell ur bike and put that big V8 in ur rx instead.

Id rather drag a knee or scrape my peg then to do 180 on the pwky in a straight line...

angelrx7HEAVEN

um so do it, no 1 is stoppin u..lmao i have the v8 in the box and it handles a lot better then u think, just ask any1 that already has done it, and i never said i dont like turns...just not gonna risk a closed coffin funeral to prove i can do 220 on a public road..um but tell u what turbo, u seem to wanna throw the wrench in the works for all i post..lets hang, i mean seriously..bring ur bike out to BK...lets chill, bring ur crew, i have mine, lets ride a die, lets do the jackie robinson parway from penn ave to GCP...u talk a lot, and there are many good riders out there, so i cant speak about ur riding in any particular way, i know i got skilled..so what do u say?
i am off rite now , i bet u wont dare face me 1 on 1...and if u beat cool, and if u dont cool too

angelrx7HEAVEN

awww **** figures u would say sumthing and go offline..lmao, hmmmm makes u wonder

fcrx88

theres no such thing as a stock alarm. the fuel injection light was going off. under some circumstances it will cut power. and someone here really needs to get there panties out of a bunch and relax. its the dam internet guys do i have to pull out the picture? and you know which one im talking about.

angelrx7HEAVEN

whatever it is u r referring to, lites, alarms, warnings, i can forsee the stock ecu goin bonkers when its had a turbo, or nos injected...lmao...let me know what u mean though friend, i am laffin over here. i saw the lite blink dont know what it means, and what its for, but that guy was really boostin the **** out that bike...it reaches 150 in a heart beat...oh i wanna c what pic ur talkin about, hope its nothin disgraceful

1QWIK7

iTrader: (33)

how bout a 700+rwhp supra killing a zx10?

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....D47&kw=10&p=13

too bad he spun a rod bearing after the race..lol