d1rx7

wrong, i hate evos but we have the fastest evo in the world, it does a 8.23, and we have onther that does low 8s, i have a vid of one of them doing a 8.66 on windows media player but dont now how to post vids

SPICcnmGT

This thread is stupid but here I go anyway.

Steet cars.
AWD>RWD, at launch
RWD>AWD, after launch when full traction is available due to less drivetrain losses.

ex. at the crank, 300hp AWD 1/4mi @100mph vs. RWD~ 105-108mph, with probably the AWD winning(lower trap time) due to a much quicker 60ft time.

Race cars.
The only AWD you see is Rally cars, needs traction, why have all that drivetrain loss around a race track when your engine is basically limited??

Drag cars.
Thats already been stated with weight tranfer.

So bacically AWD is good for dirt/launching, RWD is good for everything else.

ArmenMAxx

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ok, in Japan people are able to make a hatch, or Ae86 get low 8's much easier than Skylines, or wrx's. and there are many skylines in Japan.

Steet cars.
AWD>RWD, at launch
RWD>AWD, after launch when full traction is available due to less drivetrain losses.

ex. at the crank, 300hp AWD 1/4mi @100mph vs. RWD~ 105-108mph, with probably the AWD winning(lower trap time) due to a much quicker 60ft time.

VERY TRUE. STI's lose on average 70 HP to the wheels, means they have 230 at wheels which is a big loss. And that loss increases the more Hp u go up. FWD lose the least, and RWD is in between.

notveryhappyjack

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fastest race cars in the world are rear wheel drive NOT AWD

ArmenMAxx

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my cousin has a STOCK 05 RSX type S....... not a crazy car at all. We raced a EVO, (with us having more passengers) on the HWy from prob 60 roll. The evo BARELY pulled on us. just proving how after launch AWD cars reach the weak point. EVo would of demolshed us with a launch and more torque pulling out.

eriksseven

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Words are no longer necessary, LOL!

SoontobeLS1'd

The technology has been around for a few decades.

Henessey

pretty much sums it up.

Henessey

heres an idea of the diffrence of an awd from a dig and then from a roll.
All that drivetranloss is worth it when you completley demolish everything and anything from a stop wich is what drag racing really is... wtf is "roll racing?" And not loosing traction and great handling is a plus. But id rather be in a certain rwd 90s toyota over any awd car.

Click here to see Video

and the guy with the sti your right about not changing from 04-05 but as for the wrx 05 to 06 they are alot better.

as for the fd what is the "official" 0-60 time for an r1 or a base? I have an arguement with a fellow fd owner about it every day. he says 4.9 i say low 5s. Someone correct us

eriksseven

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According to official Mazda test data (taken from the Yamaguchi book), the FD's factory 0-60 time was 4.9--however it doesn't say whether or not that was with an R1 or not.

Henessey

I dont know 4.9 sounds too low. Definatley can see 5.2 or 5.1. I dont see traction for 4s. But then again its a damn professional.

eriksseven

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STFU! You are such a hater! WTF do you want me to tell you? Those are the factory spec's!

Who cares what you see... Frikkin' Henessey. And you're right, it is a damn professional--just leave it alone, you bastard!

Henessey

? you completley took that the wrong way...
all specs for cars are by professionals, im just asking a question what do i know?
he said the same thing you did, from mazda officials, but i wouldnt take manufacures results for anything, i was looking for some c&d or motortrend type things. I mean **** Subaru and Mitsubishi both claimed 4.5 0-60s for the 06 models, I wasnt convinced till mt did the head to head.

Henessey

chill out man, things like 0-60 arent that consistant anyways, some places i heard an fd ran 5.9! we all know thats bullshit. Im just trying to get it for my own knowlage, i wasnt trying to hate just trying to create conversation.

eriksseven

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LOL, I love you Henessey.

fcdrifter13

My teg from 0-60 in like 6 seconds, I fail.

ecyrb | SLC

eriksseven

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ArmenMAxx

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Thats a sick VR4......... stock Cobras get around 12.4 , and this one wasnt stock.

eriksseven

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Even though Henessey would like to believe that all threads must revolve around the 3000GT, I will bring this particular thread back on topic.

Here is a great example of why Rx7's in general pwn the STI:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgaJdXiQio4&search=touge

This was posted here:

https://www.rx7club.com/rx-7-audio-visual-lounge-143/06-sti-vs-re-fd-touge-run-558169/

Henessey

na not really I just tell it like it is, if someone is wrong ill tell them. I expect the same against me. Just kinda tired of idiot uneducated people that judge things they have never driven or know anything about. Id own a 7 right now but I dont feel like working on two projects half ***. next in line maybe...?

Id take a 7 over an sti, even though the 7 outperforms it... for every fd you see there are 20 or so stis. Its nice to have something most people dont. Im into the overall aspect

another question, the spirit R, the same guy says its high 11s out of the box, true or false?

gregariousgreg

Well in that case...
I rebutted that very thing you quoted one post later. I think eatmyclutch had the right idea, but it was at the very least worded wrong.

Also, a 4.9s 0-60 in a ~2,800lb, 255hp car is reasonable. Debating a published number by 2-3 tenths of a second based on your subjective on-the-spot calculation is fairly unreasonable. Don't rely on C&D numbers too much either. They are a good benchmark, but they get brand new cars to test. Generally brand new cars are slightly slower than their potential because the engine isn't fully broken in yet, so C&D numbers may understate a car's potential performance.

Lastly, racing from a roll does serve a purpose, albeit a slightly lame one. It can be used to better a guage which car has better power and gearing disreguarding driver skill, and any traction issues the cars have at launch. I personally consider it "seeing what the car can do", but I don't really consider it racing.

And just to put it out there, I actually like AWD cars. They are great for rallying, and can sometimes tear an equally powered RWD car a new one on the street. I like fast cars in general. I just have no patience for ignorant fanboyism.

What is a spirit R, and more importantly, if it does run 11s out of the box, where can I get one?

d1rx7

spirit r is the last run they did with the fd3s rx7, they only made 1500, dont know how fast they are, they say they have 280hp, but really thats 300-320, i will say they would do mid 12s .

Henessey

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true, that dose make sense. But its got to stay constant driver you know?

100% right. But some pople compare beating stock awd cars from a roll and then condemn them, not realizing they absoulutley suck from that, expecially stock. Before you judge try one from a stop.

yep people get pretty ignorant when they are biased. Like i said, ill tell it like it is.


If you could find one it would probably cost you an arm,leg, and an backbone to get get it. Dont the rims alone go for 4-5k+? If you do find one, just ship it to the door, ill let you cover the costs. Im a nice guy what can i say

socalrotor

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I saw Henessey on the freeway today!!!!