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Originally Posted by socalrotor
Accidentally, as in OUT OF CONTROL. FWD is ok for DD but to try to mod it out is a waste.Minor additions to improve the car is ok, but only to a point.
Yeah, it's a waste, it's hanging with what's renown as one of the best handling cars in the world.
And by the way, yes, i did lose control of the car and went into a ditch, i was on an S-turn, it kicked out at the first turn of the S, i countered it for the next part of the turn, gave it throttle to clear the straight between the turns and the car just lost moment and the nose went into a ditch. I tried treating it instictively like RWD, had it have been RWD, i wouldn't have went into a ditch. FWD will get oversteer, it's just very hard to control it, nothing like RWD, that's why people don't generally do it when they race. It's called "Off Throttle Oversteer", it can be done purposely in FWD.
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Originally Posted by rastarajah
yes, that that would be the SI, B16A1. no other car other than the SI come with the B16. the only dual cams honda make for civic are the B16, other than that, all single cams.
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=21
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B16 Acura Integra XSi/RSi (JDM) 1990-1991
B16 Acura Integra XSi/RSi 1992-1993
B16A Honda Civic SiR (JDM) 1989-1991
B16A Honda Civic (EDM) 1992-1995
B16A Honda Civic VTi 1996-2000
B16A Honda Del Sol/CRX SiR 1992-1996
B16A Honda Civic SiR (JDM-Hatch) 1989-1992
B16A1 Honda CRX 1.6i/VTi (EDM) 1989-1992
B16A1 Honda CRX SiR 1990-1991
B16A1 Honda Civic SiR (JDM) 1990-1991
B16A2 Honda Civic Si 1999-2000
B16A2 Honda Civic SiRII (JDM) 1992-1995
B16A2 Honda Del Sol (JDM) 1993-1995
B16A3 Honda Del Sol 1992-1995
B16B Honda Civic Type R (JDM) 1998-2001
B17A1 Acura Integra GSR 1992-1993
B18A1 Acura Integra GS 1990-1991
B18A1 Acura Integra GS 1992-1993
B18B1 Acura Integra GS/LS/RS 1994-1995
B18B1 Acura Integra GS/LS/RS 1996-2000
B18C Acura Integra SiR (JDM) 1995-1997
B18C1 Acura Integra GSR 1994-2001
B18C3 Honda Integra Type R 1995-1998
B18C5 Acura Integra Type R 1998-2001
B18C5 Honda Integra Type R 1997-2001
B20A3 Honda Prelude 2.0 S 1990-1991
B20A5 Honda Prelude 2.0 Si 1990-1991
B20A5 Honda Prelude Si 1988-1989
B20A5 Honda Prelude Si 1988-1989
B20B Honda CRV 1997-1998
B20Z Honda CRV 1998-2001
B21A1 Honda Prelude Si 1990-1991
B16 Acura Integra XSi/RSi 1992-1993
B16A Honda Civic SiR (JDM) 1989-1991
B16A Honda Civic (EDM) 1992-1995
B16A Honda Civic VTi 1996-2000
B16A Honda Del Sol/CRX SiR 1992-1996
B16A Honda Civic SiR (JDM-Hatch) 1989-1992
B16A1 Honda CRX 1.6i/VTi (EDM) 1989-1992
B16A1 Honda CRX SiR 1990-1991
B16A1 Honda Civic SiR (JDM) 1990-1991
B16A2 Honda Civic Si 1999-2000
B16A2 Honda Civic SiRII (JDM) 1992-1995
B16A2 Honda Del Sol (JDM) 1993-1995
B16A3 Honda Del Sol 1992-1995
B16B Honda Civic Type R (JDM) 1998-2001
B17A1 Acura Integra GSR 1992-1993
B18A1 Acura Integra GS 1990-1991
B18A1 Acura Integra GS 1992-1993
B18B1 Acura Integra GS/LS/RS 1994-1995
B18B1 Acura Integra GS/LS/RS 1996-2000
B18C Acura Integra SiR (JDM) 1995-1997
B18C1 Acura Integra GSR 1994-2001
B18C3 Honda Integra Type R 1995-1998
B18C5 Acura Integra Type R 1998-2001
B18C5 Honda Integra Type R 1997-2001
B20A3 Honda Prelude 2.0 S 1990-1991
B20A5 Honda Prelude 2.0 Si 1990-1991
B20A5 Honda Prelude Si 1988-1989
B20A5 Honda Prelude Si 1988-1989
B20B Honda CRV 1997-1998
B20Z Honda CRV 1998-2001
B21A1 Honda Prelude Si 1990-1991
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Originally Posted by O 16581 72452 5
Meaning i wasn't pulling the e-brake, the *** just kicked out while i was turning.
Yeah, it's a waste, it's hanging with what's renown as one of the best handling cars in the world.
And by the way, yes, i did lose control of the car and went into a ditch, i was on an S-turn, it kicked out at the first turn of the S, i countered it for the next part of the turn, gave it throttle to clear the straight between the turns and the car just lost moment and the nose went into a ditch. I tried treating it instictively like RWD, had it have been RWD, i wouldn't have went into a ditch. FWD will get oversteer, it's just very hard to control it, nothing like RWD, that's why people don't generally do it when they race. It's called "Off Throttle Oversteer", it can be done purposely in FWD.
Yeah, it's a waste, it's hanging with what's renown as one of the best handling cars in the world.
And by the way, yes, i did lose control of the car and went into a ditch, i was on an S-turn, it kicked out at the first turn of the S, i countered it for the next part of the turn, gave it throttle to clear the straight between the turns and the car just lost moment and the nose went into a ditch. I tried treating it instictively like RWD, had it have been RWD, i wouldn't have went into a ditch. FWD will get oversteer, it's just very hard to control it, nothing like RWD, that's why people don't generally do it when they race. It's called "Off Throttle Oversteer", it can be done purposely in FWD.
Second of all, oversteer is just when your rear tires lose traction while your front tires still grip, understeer is the oppisite. The driving wheels have nothing to do with natural tendensices for a car to over/under steer, however, having more weight in the front then the back (read: hondas) will cause the car to plow foward inducing more understeer then a car thats actually balanced properly.
Anybody that has any idea how to drive will modify the suspension of their fwd car to balance this out, usauslly erroring towards the side of oversteer, as it is MUCH more desirable in a racing situation then understeer. Go find some autoxers of people that take fwd "handling" seriously, I bet they'll all be running fatty rear sway bars and stock/no fronts, or using spring rates and alignments to cancel out the understeer.
Go to an autox sometime and watch the faster civics run, you'll see plenty of oversteer, it is used in racing fwd cars, just as in any other car. You went into the ditch in your civic because you suck at driving, not because you tried "treating it like rwd" as opposed to treating in like fwd when you should slam on the brakes when it begins to rotate, right?
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Originally Posted by socalrotor
WHO ******* CARES YOUR STILL FIGHTING PHYSICS!!! FWD IS A WASTE OF TIME AND H.P.
Only my opinion of course. How much faster would a crx be if it was rwd? Any guesses? Also why dont the honda boys swap with the s2000?
Only my opinion of course. How much faster would a crx be if it was rwd? Any guesses? Also why dont the honda boys swap with the s2000?
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Originally Posted by socalrotor
WHO ******* CARES YOUR STILL FIGHTING PHYSICS!!! FWD IS A WASTE OF TIME AND H.P.
Only my opinion of course. How much faster would a crx be if it was rwd? Any guesses? Also why dont the honda boys swap with the s2000?
Only my opinion of course. How much faster would a crx be if it was rwd? Any guesses? Also why dont the honda boys swap with the s2000?
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i would have loved to see that 2000 with the ITB's race
and if you can hold a car so it can do a burn out by holding it in place with a rope i dont think that is really a car lol but seriously they were pretty fast even though i think slicks and stripped out cars should stay on the track leave the street racing for people who really drive on the street IMO nice vid though
and if you can hold a car so it can do a burn out by holding it in place with a rope i dont think that is really a car lol but seriously they were pretty fast even though i think slicks and stripped out cars should stay on the track leave the street racing for people who really drive on the street IMO nice vid though
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Originally Posted by socalrotor
WHO ******* CARES YOUR STILL FIGHTING PHYSICS!!! FWD IS A WASTE OF TIME AND H.P.
Only my opinion of course. How much faster would a crx be if it was rwd? Any guesses? Also why dont the honda boys swap with the s2000?
Only my opinion of course. How much faster would a crx be if it was rwd? Any guesses? Also why dont the honda boys swap with the s2000?
didn't read the rest of the posts so your question may have already been answered the s2k's engine rotates in the opposite directon of other honda engines so you need the uber expensive x-trac tranny to run the s2k's engine in FWD configuration.
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Originally Posted by texalmighty
didn't read the rest of the posts so your question may have already been answered the s2k's engine rotates in the opposite directon of other honda engines so you need the uber expensive x-trac tranny to run the s2k's engine in FWD configuration.
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