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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 05:32 PM
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I mis read, thought he was 20 PSI, I actually had edited my post, lol
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 06:47 PM
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When I said build to the stock mr2, I am reffering to stock potential. You can't boost the same amount on a stock rx7 motor as you can on a mr2. Granted you do make more hp stock than we do, but how about after 400(reliable hp). So tell me how I am contradicting myself? Post where I said the mr2 was faster stock.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 07:00 PM
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No streetability is mot a debate. Ok, he doesn't have it posted but here is his website. Garageadvance.com, ExtremeBoost.com, Alamomotorsport.com. The guy's name is AL at Garageadvance.com. He made over 500+ on stock internals with over 180,000 miles on the car. I made over 400+ with 120,000 miles on the car. Oh, you can go to Rossmachineracing.com. He has a video of his stock mr2 making 429.
Interesting sites, but they still do not provide me with the information needed to support the claims. None of the video links on Rossmachineracing.com let me know exactly how the car is modified. I would like to see what is actually being done to the MR2's stock internal engine, to make 450rwhp. A reference to a list of mods, and a dyno sheet will suffice.

Ultimately though, what are you trying to prove here? The capabilities of the MR2? or it's engine? Most members here can respect the MR2, as they also owned one, and the first few pages were full of examples. I would guess that you started off with trying to prove that the MR2 platform is very capable, and it is, but it is nothing that an RX-7 can't do, or has not done on a regular basis. Big power, top speed, sharp predictable cornering, hard braking, etc. are all things the FD has seen/done many times. Honestly, MR2's are not something FD owners fear, when pulling next to one. You have a great car, but it is the exception, and even then can be surpassed. Glad to see what you've done to it, but the average FD is no slouch in the power/speed department either. As you came here to talk about MR2 facts, take some time to learn about our cars as well, and you will understand.

I have been on the mr2 board for a while now and have seen his car progress and let me tell yall his car is fast. along with all the other 500+ whp mr2s some on stock block. i want to see yall( rx7 people) find some one in your community that is in houston and is willing to race 45 psi. then you should post the vids .then and only then we will see what is faster
A race of modified cars only defines which of the two types of cars is faster in relation to that specific race. If the MR2 or RX-7 wins (at this level), it will be due to the work invested in both cars, by their owners. Serving as the basis of the argument, stock vs stock, is what we can all argue through unbiased/objective reasoning. In that domain though, the FD RX-7 outperforms the MR2 at nearly every level.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by 45psi
Granted you do make more hp stock than we do, but how about after 400(reliable hp).
http://66.216.67.51/product.asp?0=220&1=312&3=303 This is a great street turbo for the FD. I know a guy who is personally using it, making 400rwhp @15psi, and his car is fine. Like I said before, it's a matter of tuning.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 07:39 PM
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Your right, I should take time to learn more about your cars. Eventhough my brother had one, it wan't there long enough for me to enjoy.

http://www.rossmachineracing.com/videos/tommr2.html

That is the video of the mr2.

http://www.rossmachineracing.com/videos/tommr2.html

Thats the goal Tom is trying to accomplish.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 08:37 PM
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This is the only thing I could find that pertains to your question. He's the guy at garageadvance.com.

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i use blitz gasket and normal arps and have run 30psi on the stock block The norm stuff hsould be able to make your 30psi goal. Hell I am planning on pushing the normal stuff to teh limit (750rwhp on boost alone or bust) I will be utilizing either one of our 71mm inducer turbos or the big dog 74mm. Both will have gtq wheels and should produce that power on boost. We will see what the norm products can take....

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PS: what happened to your motor tom? Is it still living? I would love to see you push it to the 600rwhp limit on a stocker. I know it can do it...


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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by 45psi
Your right, I should take time to learn more about your cars. Eventhough my brother had one, it wan't there long enough for me to enjoy.
Finally come to your senses, did ya?
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 09:30 PM
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ASSSSpire. I am not going to respond to your arrogant remarks.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by 45psi
ASSSSpire. I am not going to respond to your arrogant remarks.
Arrogant? How was I arrogant? I posted fact.

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Your ignorance is showing.
Than you post..

Your right, I should take time to learn more about your cars. Eventhough my brother had one, it wan't there long enough for me to enjoy.
According to you I was right on target. You bashed the RX7 with irrelevant "facts" and were proven wrong by everyone in this thread.

After realizing that, you posted the above, thus coming to your senses about how you should stop talking out of your *** about a car you know nothing about. To this I posted

Finally come to your senses, did ya?
Where was I arrogant?
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 10:02 PM
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Show me where I posted false responses? Was it where I said the motor wasn't as reliable as the mr2 or they run about the same 1/4 time(depending on driver skill). Please tell me.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by 45psi
Show me where I posted false responses? Was it where I said the motor wasn't as reliable as the mr2 or they run about the same 1/4 time(depending on driver skill). Please tell me.
I just did. Re-read my post. I don't know if you noticed this one was well.

Hahaha... please please tell me how stupid I sound.

As for you, this is how stupid you sound :

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My point is you have to build an rx7 to be up to a stock mr2. Who cares what the stock number show. Those are just numbers. Toyota have always underated there cars, don't be fooled by Toyotas stock claims of 200hp. At our recent gathering, atleast 6 mr2's dynoed at over 192 at the wheels on a stock motor.
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I still just don't get why you say that you have to build an FD up to match a stock MR-2, yet later you say:


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Ok where did I ever post that a stock mr2 was faster? I said an mr2 ran a 14.2-14.5. Compared to a 13.9 at the most for an FD. And where did the extra 55hp go.
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Well, right there you said it was faster, because you said that an FD must be modded to match a stock MR-2. I'm just wondering why you contradicted yourself in those two post ?

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Get it now ?
You're even > dumberer than I thought
Shinobi-X helped to refute all you're ignorant arguments as well. You sir, need to take your own advice.

Originally posted by 45psi
I just don't like biased people yapping about cars they no nothing about..

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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 10:14 PM
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O, you are in Houston. How about we meet up........run? You down to run. Or are you scurd. Remember, I don't know what I am talking about.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 10:24 PM
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O, you are in Houston. How about we meet up........run? You down to run. Or are you scurd. Remember, I don't know what I am talking about.
Why don't you run GoodfellaFD3S? Hes already called you out on multiple occasions, yet it looks like you don't want to. Or are you scurd?

Its already been clearly established that you don't know what you're talking about so why go out of my why to educate a little keyboard warrior? I have better things to do with my time.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 10:36 PM
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45 PSI kinda makes me feel sorry for him. He is like the last of his kind trying to make his stand. Kinda like that guy that went after the indians and got all cut up.

Fact is, MR2's would be a good race with a S2000, not Rx-7. Go home troll.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 11:03 PM
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Go back and reread people. I already said lets do it with Goodfella. I thought I said that on the last page. I am ready once my car is out.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by 45psi
Go back and reread people. I already said lets do it with Goodfella. I thought I said that on the last page. I am ready once my car is out.
Ready to get schooled?

Anyway, I'd love to see this. Let me know when you two are going to meet up. I could probably get it ALL on tape. Let me know.

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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 11:14 PM
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45psi,
I have no ill feelings- you have a great car, and I'm glad you think highly of it. I personally am not looking for that much power, but I am aiming for 400rwhp. Either way, I learned a bit about MR2's, and I hoped you learned a bit about our FD's as well.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 11:24 PM
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hey if you guys do race, please set a date. possibly towards the end of this month. i'm gonna be in houston near the of july and i'd love to see this. i'll bring a video back for all us bay area people =)
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Old Jul 9, 2003 | 12:51 AM
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Yes definatly film it. 45 psi please when your car comes out post in the kills section , calling out any fast rx7s in houston. so you can shut them down.
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Old Jul 9, 2003 | 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by mr2.2liter
Yes definatly film it. 45 psi please when your car comes out post in the kills section , calling out any fast rx7s in houston. so you can shut them down.
Are you guys for real in that picture
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Old Jul 9, 2003 | 04:00 AM
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Hey 45psi guy, come to Abilene it shouldn't be to hard for you since you must have a good amount of cash laying around looking at the fact that you think it would take an RX-7 with more then 500hp to beat you. I would gladly run your MR2 on the high way.

P.S. You might want to buy that NOS octane booster they sell at auto zone, you just might need it!

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Old Jul 9, 2003 | 07:23 AM
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I dont need octane booster, when I have a 40 gallon tank of 104 in my garage. Sure I would love to come down there. But isn't that kind of far from Houston?
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Old Jul 9, 2003 | 09:02 AM
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I love those expensive Mr2, and I was about to get one when I decided for the FC (both were NA's).

On any case, I find it amusing when piston engine owners say "On stock buttom" or "stock internals"

Don't they know that there aren't any aftermarket internal for the rotary engine. I mean there is only one:

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Old Jul 9, 2003 | 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by mr2.2liter
Yes definatly film it. 45 psi please when your car comes out post in the kills section , calling out any fast rx7s in houston. so you can shut them down.

ROTFLMFAO.
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Old Jul 9, 2003 | 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by KNONFS
I love those expensive Mr2, and I was about to get one when I decided for the FC (both were NA's).

On any case, I find it amusing when piston engine owners say "On stock buttom" or "stock internals"

Don't they know that there aren't any aftermarket internal for the rotary engine. I mean there is only one:

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NO UPGRADED Rotors
NO UPGRADED E shaft
NO UPGRADED Housings
NO UPGRADED Side plates
Good point. Although you can lighten rotors, very few people run them. Also, some might look at porting as rendering the housings "non-stock".....
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