Shinobi-X

Sure Mr2000GT.

Base FD's weigh: 2700lb+ and the heaviest being the touring at 2865lb. I have a touring but I removed the bose sound system. LOL, NEVER tailgate an FD...then again I don't think you could get close enough. LOL. J/K

MR.2000GT

good one. give me some time and i will be able to ;-)

Shinobi-X

LOL, nice car man.

RiceRocket

i would definitely give it to the FD.

dfiero

race and find out!!!! good luck


i think fd all the way!!

Bigreddawg

Shinobi, one of the top sigs I've ever seen, thankyou.

Just to put my .02 in, my fiancee's r1 dynoed 227 rwhp corrected SAE and ran 13.42@ 102.4 with catback only on street tires at 10 psi ofcourse. It weighed 2760 with a 1/2 tank of gas and both cats, etc. all stock except catback. If you do full exhaust, intake and up the boost on the MR2 you may be able to hang but I still think the stock or v. lightly modded 7 will have the advantage up top. I just put dp, mp, K&N and ecu running 12-14 psi now and its a different animal. It has a mid 12 in it now which any MR2 with similar mods couldn't touch.

SilvioRX7

A friend of mine has a early 90's MR2 T with a J-Spec motor and a few mods running 18lbs of boost with race fuel ...My mods are dp, mp, Racing Beat cb, and Greddy airnex airfilter...oh yeah and Nitto Drag Radials...I left him outta the hole and never looked back.

Shinobi-X

13b-3SGTE

I think it is fair to say that a FD is faster then a MKII Turbo.

HKSboosted2

iTrader: (3)

Yes, I would say that is a fair statement. However, taking reliablity into account, I'll stick with the mr2 (Toyota dependibility)

13b-3SGTE

Well reliability is a totally different subject. If that is the case the there is no comparison.

rx7_ragtop

Yeah... and the MR2 is almost as sexy looking as the FD... as long as you don't put big gay wings and scoops all over it. I've always liked the MR2... fun car. They kick *** in Solo II also.

Brad

45psi

What are you people talking about? The jspec mr2 is almost a half a second faster that an rx7. On a bone stock jspec mr2 with slicks have been known to run mid to high 12's. If you don't believe me watch this.

http://mr2cp.cynikal.net/Gallery.html

Even US spec mr2's are no slouch, running anwhere from 14.2-14.8 at 96-99 mph.

Look in the middle of the page and you will see a stock mr2 and stock rx7 run through the quarter. There are no comparison between the two. How many rx7's can make around 600hp on stock internals? What about all the major tuner, like Top Secrete, HKS, Autobacs, etc utilizing the 3sgte as there source of power? What about winning the JGTC series in 97,98,2000,2001 and 2002 being the only 4cyl in that class competing with the likes of Skylines, RX7, Lambo's etc.

Yes Rx7 are great cars, but don't let magazines create a false sense of security. Most of your arguements you presented are based on fallacy brought on by lack of knowledge, and biased opinions. Unitl you have driven or raced a well prepped mr2 (stock)without Mass Air Flow problems then you can have a reasonable opinion. But until then ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG. Oh by the way thanx for having me on your forum, we should have some interesting discussions.


MOD LIST
Greddy t78(now t88)
je pistons, eagle rods
race port head
crower cams
haltech e6k
aermotive fuel pump and regulator
4 95lb injectors
ROSS MACHINE SHEETMETAL INTAKE MANIFOLD
trunk mount intercooler(2 spal fans)
hks super dragger ex.
act clutch
jun flywheel
Last dyno: with tdo6 l2 kit 434hp at 1.3 bar(stock motor)
DYNO t78 492 stock head
T88 dyno coming soon

45psi

If I were you I would take the mr2 turbo. For one reliability. With the right setup you can achieve 500+ reliable hp. There are a number of people that I know that have ran 450 plus hp on stock internals with over 150,000 miles on the odometer. Let me see you do that with an rx7. 2) How much money are you looking to spend on an rx7. With the motor rebuild, upgraded turbo, fuel upgrades, etc your looking at spending way more than an mr2. 3) If your planning on putting a 3 rotor in your car, thats another few grand on top of the rebuild. The lists goes on and on. Give me less than 10,000 and I can have you a 10-11 sec mr2 turbo.

http://www.amkread.co.jp/Pages/Event...hoto_4WD_A.htm

There are very few cars on the street that can outlaunch an mr2. With limited slip, rear wheel drive, mid engine all the weight transfers to the rear making stop light launches unbeatable. How about on stock tires pulling 1.6-7's. Also, why in Japan are mr2's placed in the all wheel drive category(hence the above site). All of there times are on drag radials. Running 9's and 10's.

And for top speed. Top secrete supra ran over 200mph on the stock mr2 tranny.

Oh one more thing, who are you going to get to fix the car when the motor stops. Think about it.

Freaky Monkey007

Alright.. here is one for u.. TII vs MR2?? It seems pretty obvious that the MR2 would win stock for stock but after modifications? They seem pretty even as far as price for a nice car. Was just wondering about this...

45psi

Hey your welcome. I have nothing against the FD's they are great cars. I just don't like biased people yapping about cars they no nothing about. Did you see the video I posted of the 2 stock cars? What a dragging. I hope you have great success in finding your right car. But really consider my points. Good luck!

45psi

IF a stock mr2 is faster, why would mod for mod make it even. Mr2 respond very well to mods. Despite the fact of a non front mount. The side mount is actually good for aroung 400-450 hp. Then you can either switch to trunk mount or air to water. Both have been proven to over 700+ hp.

I just like the abililty to drive, boost, shut down, drive, make a high run to 160 and shut down with NO worries.

The main reason I would prefer an mr2 is that it is already overbuilt, where an rx7 you have to build it to be overbuilt. See my point. Tell you what. Lets go to Las Vegas, run on a 10 mile stretch stock for stock in 110 degree weather and see who reaches the 10 mile first. You aite making it.

45psi

Please no more comparison's cuz to me there are none. Mr2 hands down. If you have money , and you want a true project car go with the rx7(it will be a project). IF you want a reliable true exotic mid engine sports car stick with the 2. There nothing more exlerating than the sound of a turbo 4cly 10 inches behind your head.

IF your on a budget, go buy an n/a mr2 for about 3 grand(becuase turbo's can be expensive over 10,000) drop a jspec motor in there for 3000 including installation and you will be on your way to a stock low 13 sec car. Then with the money left over, fo buy your upgraded turbo kit, fuel, standalone, and all the bolt on's and you would have an 11sec reliable car for under 11,000 total including car.

Now go buy a stock rx7 with overheating problems, rebuild the motor, turbo kit, fuel, all the bolt on's and your at 20,000 easily.

45psi

NP.

45psi

No problem. SOrry aobut that.

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

I've seen MR2s on many roadcourses (Summit Point, VIR, MSR) and came away unimpressed. The MR2s lost ground to the FDs in the turns and on the straights. Every single one I've encountered on the street hasn't been even close to my R1 in terms of highway acceleration.

Now, maybe I've just been exposed to the wrong MR2s. I'm reploying back to Fort Hood (your neck of the woods) in less than a month. I'd love to run my 7 against your MR2, both on the highway and the road course. Let me know if you're up to the challenge .

I have nothing against MR2s, I think they're sharp looking cars and have heard they're a blast to drive. I just don't feel they're in the same performance category as the FD. Supra yes, MR2 no.

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

You sure seem to have turned over a new leaf.

I don't think you're very familiar with the performance capabilites of the FD RX-7.

FD: 255hp, 217 ft/lbs, ~2800 lbs
MR2: 200hp, 142 ft/lbs, ~2900 lbs

Compare the horsepower to weight ratios. They don't look like they're in the same performance categories to me at all.

The FD is a head to head competitor for the Supra, not it's little brother. Do you honestly think I would race a 135hp non turbo MR2 in the FD? I've beaten normally aspirated MR2s in my bone stock 1991 CRX Si.

45psi's MR2 is the huge exception versus the rule. His car sounds very badass---but how many of them nationwide are rockin' a T-88? If they're out there, I sure don't know about them.

Don't mean to come off as arrogant or abrasive . I think incredulous is more the word. First S2000s, now this. Some people need to learn their place in the hierarchy of the sports car arena.....

Vick

I'd love to see this.

DaiOni

The mr2 was produced in japan up to about 2000. The last of the line had 280hp - so that makes them a pretty good match for an american fd. Not that this has much relevance to a US stock vs stock grudge match - but if someone is referring to a JDM engine conversion - it might have more go than you expect.

Comparing to the JGTC is pretty moronic - these cars have very little in common with a street modified vehicle. How about we compare the street tuners time trial - the tsukuba circuit. The cars that dominate there are the evo, sti, GTR, and FD (all these are in the top 5 - the mr2 isn't in the same universe).

(ps: autobacs is not a major tuner :p it's a chain of auto accesory stores)

I do find it interesting that you all say the american FD has 255hp. Is this a factory figure?? I'm really interested on how they achieved the same amount of hp as the equivalent JDM FD - yet added all that pollution gear. (not a dig, I'm truly interested).