badge988

Last leg of my shift I spot 3 imports going head to head down the freeway (35W@lake south) and I estimated the speed around 80 MPH. I floor my unmarked and catch up at 38th street in very light traffic and hold with these guys for another mile to get a good speed for the records. I suspect the drivers thought my blacked out cruiser to be one of those "sporty" crown vics and they went for another 25 MPH at this point. I kept up with them while waiting for backup but didnt hit the lights. They added more to bring them past 110 MPH (felony) but I kept right up with them. Knowing where my backups were I pushed MY cruiser another 10 over them to get them into a "box" with the other marked unit behind, both of us hit our lights at the same time and left them no where to go.

During the first part of the arrest the one driver said "I cant believe your cop car beat me!"

All the drivers were cited with felony speed, careless driving and one had a N2O bottle in the rear and it was cold.

rbf41182gt

haha!!!

thats awsome, nice kill!!

AdAm87TuRbO2

Best Kill EVER!!!!!!

rx7owner

That is the funniest kill i have ever read...but dont you think thats kinda cheap? I mean thats really low (still funny though)

jksolid

Definately qualifies as a kill. They migh have been able to get you in some turns if they were good drivers(by good drivers i mean professional drivers) but there is no way to outrun the long arm of the law... no matter how big your bottle of nos is.

shrtyGT500

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lol

JFroTurbo

if that happened to me I would tell no one. yep that was an amazing kill.

badge988

I don't care how big the bottle of NOS is, my radio is always going to be faster!
Maybe it was a little cheap to run those guys over in speed but even if I took them down at say 85 would they be out racing again? Odds are yes they would.
I don't have a problem with street racers so much as I have a problem with extreme speeders who have no respect for the general public especially on a rather busy 4-lane freeway right in the middle of a city. Sure traffic was light considering the time of day however they didn't have more than 1/8 mile of maximum distance to play around with in traffic and those are some pretty thin margains.

Now if these guys were racing out on some deserted industrial access road and wanted to hit their full potential the risks would be much lower for others but just the same for the drivers. Im not going to condone street racing however if you are going to race do it on a track or at the very least away from the general public. Do remember its going to take alot longer for emergency rescue to come and cut you out of that mangled Hondog because you lost the gamble with the laws of physics.

Now if you want to race to say traffic speed thats your business, at least you wont be passing anyone at that point. Not the safest thing however lower risks. Just remember some officers call it unreasonable acceleration however if your wheels dont squeal its a judgement call.

Tickets issued today: 4 speeds, 9 seatbelt and 2 DWI arrests all within 8 hours of boredom!

988

badge988

Yes and no but one thing they tend to forget during high-speed chases is we not only have a full tank of gasoline (not NOS) but we are also trained to drive at high speeds, the professional drivers are smart enough not to get into a speed tangle with the police and that is what seperates many of the street racers from the real pros.
I'm trying to drill it into my sons head that he would be better off driving solo-autocrosses in parking lots with his FC and not trying to devour the piston powered rice burners, so far so good. Kids at your age and his want to "max out" on just about anything and everything simply because its in your competative nature to find the limits. The one thing that gets forgotten are the laws of physics and sooner or later they catch up with dramatic results. Those limits were placed by nature and over millions of years they have been honed to perfection. An FC doing 130 MPH is going to have a substantial amount of upward lift on the body coupled with enormous air pressures under the car, add another 15 MPH to that speed and the pressure differential might be enough to lift the wheels off the ground for a split second, the car now settles down in speed enough to allow tire contact and maybe not in the same track as before and now you have to correct your travel in another split second. Simply put you wont have enough time to correct and the result will be a fast trip to the weeds or worse. Other factors are ground wind speeds and direction along with "air packing" under the tires and its much like hydroplaning in the water. The tread simply can't pump that much air out from under the contact patch. Even something as simple as a tree shadow on a hot road can have a major influence on the tires friction with the ground.
One nice thing about the Hondog racers is they tend to like those big spoilers on the rear with alot of downward tilt, it creates enough air drag to keep them in check, at least I can catch them in a marked cruiser with the old Code-3 lightlogs on the top!

988

'85GSL-SE

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Holy crap I did not know that. That might explain the incident when I was following a Lincoln town car around an 80 degree turn and he did fine at 45 MPH I went around it right behind him and lost my '78's rearend and slid across the road into the other lane facing the opposite direction of my original travel. That might have somthing to do with it I guess. Either that or it is the cars dry rotted tires on top of that.

I remember today I was taking my '78 RX-7 for a drive and I was cruising down the newly built I48/85 bypass in Greensboro NC, It is an 8 lane highway at points with minimal traffic if any at all. I was passing an SUV so I moved over to the farthest left hand lane, passed underneath an overpass and spotted a State Trooper right behind a pillar and he clocked me doing 80MPH in a 65MPH zone. I looked at him when I passed by. He looked at my car and shook his head and just sat there. I wonder why he did that since I was doing 15 over. State Troopers are know for being *** Holes here in NC. I guess it was my luckey day in my RX-7 got to love them! I think her looks is what got me off the hook

weird though any incite to that "badge988"?


What is the deal with the '95, 3 cylinder, 1 liter, Turbo Metro LSi getting 58Mpg with 78 HP?

-Dan

These is my girl I love my '78! grey car = '78GS

Bob_The_Normal

I'm half inclined to call BS on this...

Wonder if Fuman is around heh.


Either way, if I was one of those guys you gave a ticket to tonight..?

You wouldn't even see me in court, I'd have it dismissed... bad job on your part, pushing them to go faster.

But you do speak the truth on lift... lift is a dangerous bitch... FCs have very little trouble though if you wanted to know... the rear has enough weight over it to not try and lift as long as you don't just completely let go of the throttle at like 130mph... heh, the front is iffy, I'd say a little gust of wind at 125 and you'd be good for either being stopped sideways in the middle of the freeway or in a ditch somewhere. So yeah... tell your son he's good for 120! ;P

--Gary

Skylance

I have to agree with Bob the Normal on this one. You admittedly pushed them faster - therefore making the situation more dangereous, not only for you and them, but also for other drivers. Even though it was "light traffic" that still means that there were other people driving. Not only that, but you pushed them right into a felony! WHY?!?

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Not to hijack the thread but this has happened to me too. I was driving my Mazda MX-6 LS

I was on my way to school one day. Driving the speed limit down hwy 150 in Boiling Springs, NC. Out of nowhere a huge car came right to my bumper and stayed there! So I sped up to about 65 (in a 55). And he will not back off! We come to a passing zone - I think "Thank God, now this joker will go around me" - when he did not make a move I slowed down to 45 (in a 55) and moved as far to the right side of the road as I possibly could. Even though no one was coming he did not pass me! He just stayed less than 1 foot away from my bumper. At this point I'm feeling a) angry at him and b) scared, cuz I don't know what he's thinking. We come to the Broad River. A hill goes down to the bridge and upon crossing the bridge you go back up a hill that has "S" turns. As soon as I hit the bridge, I downshifted to 4th and gunned it. By the time I started up the other side of the hill, I was doing 95 and still accelerating. That was the last time I looked at the speedo. He was still on my tail, but I lost him bad up the hill and in the "S" turns. I kept it floored all the way up the hill. When I get to the top I slow back down to about 60 and start looking for a driveway so I can let the idiot pass. He finally gets up the hill and back on my tail! After he gets on my tail I look in my mirror and I see him reach down . . . blue lights!! UNMARKED CAR! I pull over. The officer walks up to my window and says "Young man, WHAT seems to be the hurry?". I simply responded, "You." He stunned and a bit taken back by my response, so he stuttered, "wha wha what d dd do you m mmean?" I said, "Well officer, the way YOU were staying so close to MY bumper, I assumed you were in a hurry. You did not pass when you had the chance, you just stayed on my tail."
He let me go. NO ticket, no warning, nothing. Moral of this story: Dont try to screw me, you will not win.
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I'm sorry about the long post, but I just had to vent. I've since changed my policy from speeding up to just cruising and not worrying about the idiots behind me. If they hit my car, then it is on them. They better just hope I don't see a "deer" in the road.

But I will congratulate you on your kill.

BLitzed33

[QUOTE=Skylance]I have to agree with Bob the Normal on this one. You admittedly pushed them faster - therefore making the situation more dangereous, not only for you and them, but also for other drivers. Even though it was "light traffic" that still means that there were other people driving. Not only that, but you pushed them right into a felony! WHY?!?

Actually, if you read his post, he merely just caught up with them, he did not "push" them faster, they sped up on their own, he did not say he rode their bumper to push them. The only reason he sped up was "after" he got back up was to box them in for the pull over so they couldnt go anywhere but to the shoulder. Point is, they were in the wrong, had the mindset of racing, and he was entirely in his right to do what he did. Just wanted to point this out.

TurboSE

HAHA they got killed and PWN3D!!!

jksolid

Man cops are so cool off work. My first and current mentor is a retired deputy sheriff who lives next door. He has a lot of interesting stories like you. But yeah I know a lot about physics. I love physics as a matter of fact. But I don't have any experinece with applied physics. Which I guess is why i love the feeling of loss of traction. Though it is flirting with danger.

I am not trying to insult your squad car or your driving skills but squad cars are on the heavy side. Though for all the good reasons. The only reason I say a professional could beat you in the turns is because it is easier to get out of the police officers site where as with a straight road where visibility is miles and there is only one place you can go. Probability wise turns help a criminal more than it helps a police officer.

And how do you know so much about physics? Granted you probally have much more experience with it than me.

Don't worry I have no intentions of trying to outrun the law or getting in trouble with the law it is all just intellectual thought and theory.

badge988

Well I know enough about physics to get myself into trouble, I do hold a bachelors
in electrical engineering however engineers are a dime a dozen today. Ive toyed with applied physics in both real life and in the lab and have the bite marks still.

Squad cars... Yes they are heavy. No more like loaded to the limits. Take into consideration what the marked units carry. A mobile data terminal or computer normally a Panasonic Toughbook along with the network connectivity transceiver, a rather fat and heavy Motorola Astro-Spectra and VCR for those Kodak moments, this all mounted in the trunk along with the lightbar supply, strobe supply (whelen) and relay box for other various lights and devices. Up front the notebook computer, Kustom Pro-1000 radar unit and rear cage partition that in itself weighs close to 100 pounds. I also have my piles of never ending paperwork file folders, shotgun and locking rack along with the pile of controls that run the lights, radio control head and small cooler full of Mtn Dew. Up front I have a lethargic 4.6 liter OHC motor that attempts to breath through small dual exhaust pipes while driving a 130 amp alternator while sucking bugs through a poor-*** excuse of an air filter. All this adds up to around 4400 pounds of crap not to mention the Flex-Steel seat that gets installed for service pistol clearance. My rear seat is of the washdown type because I deal primarly with DK drivers who tend to barf when they see their cars going away on a hook. Im very hard on DK drivers and show them absolutly no mercy at all. You blow a 0.08 you're going with me no exceptions.
Why am I so hard on drunks? I lost a childhood best friend to an out of control drunk. I wont go into the details here but its even hard to write it right now. Relaxed speeders I could give a crap about and I dont waste time with expired plates, only the fools that stand out or are being dangerous get my attention. Drunks on the other hand get the book thrown at them and if they are repeat drunks they tend to really **** me off. Unfortunatly I have to be professional while on duty and it takes ALOT to **** me off but DK drivers hit that button in me big time.

So how long have I been a burnt out road cop? Far too long, 15 years now and closing in on a change of careers this july. Why? Well I feel its time to pass the torch on to someone else and I want to spend more time with my kids not to mention Im not that well liked by some of the other officers... I think ******* has become my middle name.

What will I do after I turn in my shield? Play cars with my boys, Andrew the one in the picture wants to get his hands filthy dirty and really get to know his FC turbo. We are talking a full 13B-T rebuild, megasquirt-II computer and other goodies to make those fat 16" shoes howl on the solo-autocross. Just wish he wouldn't grow up so damn fast.


As for getting the other guys in my first post to speed up to the felony level, they were in control of the car not me. Me and another officer were going for a "box-in" as procedure and they chose to push harder. If they hadn't poured on the coals the only difference would be the numbers on the paper, rapid lane changes is careless driving no matter if its 85 or 35 MPH. My email box is full of comments regarding the first post and guys Im sorry if you dont like it but the law is the law and who am I to change it? I can only enforce and not convict.

988

Skylance

Yes, they were racing, and were in the wrong. I am not going to deny that. The point I was trying to make was that he did not pull them over immediately - he stated that quite clearly. He let the situation progress instead of "nipping it in the bud"

The impression I get from this statement - and the fact that he posted it as a kill - is that he was participating in the race after he caught up to them, therefore "pushing" them.

I understand that they are the ones in control of the car, I am just curious as to why you did not flip the lights immediately and pull them over immediately. My question is why you did not do that? I'm not trying to question your authority as an officer, and I know that you are not able to "change the law".

So are you saying that you are not permitted to pull them over until you have backup? If that is not the case, then why did you wait? That is the kind of thing I'm looking for. I wasn't and am not trying to be a jerk and I am sorry if it came across that way. I am just trying to ask a question. And I'm sorry, but I just had to vent back there.

Cosmo_TT

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you aint lyin there one of my friends patrol in the city next to me and he always tells me about the honduhs he pulls over for racing and how he tows there car and everything but when he is not working he is on back roads in his mustang racing me and my other friends its funny

satoacs

thats funny, i wanna be a cop!

jksolid

What he is saying is that he feared they would try to run away which implies that they would be going even faster. In waiting for back up to box them in he prevented them from running away at even faster speeds. And it is always safer with back up you never know how a person is goign to react to getting pulled over.

badge988

I've had a few jokers try to outrun me in crotch rockets and with the few recent chases we've had its become a matter of procedure to box them in and bring them to the shoulder. I dont know what it is but sometimes they think that red lights from behind especially on a deep unmarked means speed up. I dont know what goes on in their minds but when they go into ballistic projectile mode they get dangerous.


Oh Skylance you can vent but please don't breath too heavily on my collar as it tends to wrinkle easily.

Off to lurking in the other forums

988

Skylance

Ok - cool. That clears everything up It's all good! You're not such a bad guy afterall badge988 Sorry, I didnt' mean to wrinkle the collar. I like that - Ballistic projectile mode - people are so stupid sometimes lol. Stupid people are dangerous.

badge988

Some people are born stupid and some people try real hard at it!

988

wklink

My father is a retired Illinois State Trooper.

His favorate unmarked car was a pretty plain Jane 1972 Plymoth Fury that essentially was bought off the lot. It essentially was a stock 318 4bb 2 door hardtop, silver in color, stock hubcaps. It was quick but no where near as fast as the 442s and Roadrunners that he had to chase down. It was an awsome stealth car though, not a police crown vic painted blue but an unrecognizable car. He had a little pop up light behind him that would flash when he nailed a speeder. Guys would just blow by him only to have a real cruiser pull them over about four miles down the road.

Madrx7racer

Hahahha Best Kill Evar!!!!!