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Old 05-28-09, 04:16 PM
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FC solid subframe mounts with the single camber link

anyone using this, exactly how much adjustment is there with say the mmr delrin subframe mounts using the single camber link that tilts the subframe, if there is none then why do i see peopel get the single link with the solid mounts? anyone who have experience with this i would like to hear your opinion
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Same as kahren, I wanna know so I know wether to buy stock ones or Delrin bushings when I replace mine.
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There will be a tiny bit of adjustment, but only enough to bind everything up when you use up any tolerences in the hardware. No where near enough to matter, maybe 1 degree when you should be able to get a lot more.
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I ran one weekend with delrin subframe and a single adjuster link. Had 3 degrees in there. It worked, it held. It's not the right way to do things though. Get the single adjusters if you want solid subframe mounts.
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I ran one weekend with delrin subframe and a single adjuster link. Had 3 degrees in there. It worked, it held. It's not the right way to do things though. Get the single adjusters if you want solid subframe mounts.
if i get single adjusters i have to get the spherical control arm bushing as well which i dont really feel like doing. i am trying to just get the rear camber to about -1 to -1.5. the car is not even that low. i wonder if i could get away with the mmr solid bushings, they also have the subframe spacers i wonder if the subframe will be able to be tilted more with those.


If i get spherical awr control arm bushing, it removes the stock cam bolt for toe adj, mmr doesnt say anything about it on their spherical control arm bushings, i assume they also remove the toe adj cam bolt. so if i do this i will have to get the adjustable toe links from mmr which i dont feel like getting either. to say the truth i just prefer the delrin control arm bushing with stock dogbones i just feel like that can take more abuse.

from the pictures the mmr camber links dont look beefy enough to me, maybe its just the pictures.
and the awr ones dont seem to have any axial movement, no spherical joints, which i think should be there since the control arm doesn't travel straight up and down. again unless these are meant to work with the spherical control arm bushings and those give enough play for these to work.
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what are you trying to use your car for kahren?
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Originally Posted by rnz520 View Post
what are you trying to use your car for kahren?
noone knows yet, some street driving maybe daily drive and some road racing
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Originally Posted by Kahren View Post
if i get single adjusters i have to get the spherical control arm bushing as well which i dont really feel like doing. i am trying to just get the rear camber to about -1 to -1.5. the car is not even that low. i wonder if i could get away with the mmr solid bushings, they also have the subframe spacers i wonder if the subframe will be able to be tilted more with those.


If i get spherical awr control arm bushing, it removes the stock cam bolt for toe adj, mmr doesnt say anything about it on their spherical control arm bushings, i assume they also remove the toe adj cam bolt. so if i do this i will have to get the adjustable toe links from mmr which i dont feel like getting either. to say the truth i just prefer the delrin control arm bushing with stock dogbones i just feel like that can take more abuse.

from the pictures the mmr camber links dont look beefy enough to me, maybe its just the pictures.
and the awr ones dont seem to have any axial movement, no spherical joints, which i think should be there since the control arm doesn't travel straight up and down. again unless these are meant to work with the spherical control arm bushings and those give enough play for these to work.
Some true, some not true above.

With individual camber adjusters you need anything but solid mounts (Delrin). Poly works. Spherical is the best. With spherical, you can run the stock cam bolt to adjust toe - I did for over a year, and yes it is perfectly fine to do, even Tony at AWR will confirm. The kit comes with plates and bolts to replace the cam bolts, use them or hold onto them until you get the toe kit.

My current rear suspension mounts:

Mazdatrix subframe
AWR single camber
MMR individual camber
AWR spherical control arms
AWR toe links
Mazdaspeed aluminum DTSS
Custom delrin/stainless upper hub bushing

Put the subframe mount idea aside right now, it's the cheapest but hold off. Get the individual camber links and spherical bearings first. Later move onto the solid subframe and/or toe links. You need to get the camber addressed first before you start messing with the other parts. Actually, decide first what you really want to do with the car, it won't be a daily driver and a road race car. Pick one, not both.
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MMR sells a subframe spacer kit that lets you keep the stock subframe bushings but reduces movement.
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Originally Posted by Gene View Post
MMR sells a subframe spacer kit that lets you keep the stock subframe bushings but reduces movement.
i think with that spacer i may get too much binding when tilting the subframe with the single camber link
i may just urethane fill the stock subframe mount for less movement
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