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Old Oct 17, 2011 | 08:36 PM
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Here you can see the brackets I made for the calipers, they were rough cut by the water jet and then I milled them to perfection on the bridgeport. As you can see I also added timeserts to add life to the threads.


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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 10:27 AM
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I would add inline duct fans for your coolers. You can find old nascar units on ebay for cheap. That way you can be cooling your system whilst in the paddock
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ghiaracer
I would add inline duct fans for your coolers. You can find old nascar units on ebay for cheap. That way you can be cooling your system whilst in the paddock
I've considered those as a matter of fact I actually have them already, but I'm holding off until I run the car to see if it becomes an issue.
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 10:19 AM
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swayin to the music

So a while back my buddy Louie gave me some sway bar blades, so all I had to do was fab the sway bar. so below is what I think a sway bar should look like.


the next few pics is of the standoff being fabricated


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suspension techniques sway bar bushings

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with the standoffs done I had to mount the blades


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now came the other side, luckily they sell a barrel with the bearings, all I had to do was spend three hours aligning and measuring and measuring and measuring... oh and welding and welding...


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and the finished product... well almost finished, still have to mount the cable so I can adjust this bad boy from the drivers seat!!!





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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 12:33 PM
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2 questions.
what grade tubing did you use on the bar?

also did they not sell any 2 piece solid bushings for the bar?

ok i lies, more questions... what rate do you expect that bar to be?

is that why you used 2 blades?
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ajhehr
2 questions.
what grade tubing did you use on the bar?

also did they not sell any 2 piece solid bushings for the bar?

ok i lies, more questions... what rate do you expect that bar to be?

is that why you used 2 blades?


I used .188 wall chromolly tubing

I didn't find any solid bushings

I don't know what "rate" the bar will be. Does anybody ever really know what rate a bar is? if you don't use the exact bushings that were used during the test, do you really know what rate your bar is??? My intensions were to make the bar as stiff as possible and then adjust the blades to fit my needs. Hope that answers your question.

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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 02:22 PM
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absolutely love it all. What front bumper is that again?! Are you going to be staying with the Flat black Wrap? have you considered 3m DINOC Carbon Fiber Wrap? I have been considering doing my whole roof on my fd as it's really quality stuff and pretty cheap as well!

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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mannykiller
absolutely love it all. What front bumper is that again?! Are you going to be staying with the Flat black Wrap? have you considered 3m DINOC Carbon Fiber Wrap? I have been considering doing my whole roof on my fd as it's really quality stuff and pretty cheap as well!

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You know, I have no clue what bumper that is, it was on ebay a long time ago. yup the whole car is done in the matt black. it looks really cool.

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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 04:00 PM
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Fantastic swaybar!
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl...
I used .188 wall chromolly tubing

I didn't find any solid bushings

I don't know what "rate" the bar will be. Does anybody ever really know what rate a bar is? if you don't use the exact bushings that were used during the test, do you really know what rate your bar is??? My intensions were to make the bar as stiff as possible and then adjust the blades to fit my needs. Hope that answers your question.

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sorry I dont mean to be super critical, VERY nice build...
I guess you dont have any data to fill the suspension worksheet in yet...
but job done on making it as stiff as possible!
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 07:31 PM
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Heres How you can calculate how stiff the bar will be.
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 07:36 PM
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And one final pic that wouldn't fit in the other post. This is a great book by the way, It covers just about any suspension related question you can think of, even a little bit about active suspension. In my opinion it is well worth the $30 on amazon to buy this if anybody is planning on doing anything suspension related.
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 10:00 PM
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I think what BigAl was getting at is that it's impossible to predict bar stiffness because there are too many variables not considered in those calculations and others like them. The bar's material for example, makes a big difference and I havent seen a calculator yet that has the bending strengths of different popular metals as an option. Also, welds can change the strength of the bar and change how the bar gets loaded. It's cool to say how stiff a bar is, but do you really know how stiff is "just right". The adjustable setup is optimal. Make a bar that's somewhere in the ballpark and be able to tune it to your car/driving style.
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Old Oct 27, 2011 | 06:38 PM
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Unbelievable craftsmanship. Reading this build thread was very inspiring!
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Old Oct 28, 2011 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Shainiac
I think what BigAl was getting at is that it's impossible to predict bar stiffness because there are too many variables not considered in those calculations and others like them. The bar's material for example, makes a big difference and I havent seen a calculator yet that has the bending strengths of different popular metals as an option. Also, welds can change the strength of the bar and change how the bar gets loaded. It's cool to say how stiff a bar is, but do you really know how stiff is "just right". The adjustable setup is optimal. Make a bar that's somewhere in the ballpark and be able to tune it to your car/driving style.


GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! that's exactly my thoughts, ajhehr I hope you weren't insulted by my response, but shainiac's response is spot on.

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Old Oct 30, 2011 | 05:19 PM
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Lol, no I am not insulted, but thanks for the concern... My gut reaction to the bar was holy cow that is unbelievably stiff! even with both blades flat (assuming a 1.25 od tube, but your tube looks larger then that) the rate of the bar is in the 400lbs range... so the lightest rate of your bar would be 300lbs? on second thought though a 20k spring would be about right considering where the pickup is for the end link...

so NM i guess, I have no experience with the fd chassis. but i think I would have error on the other side of the the line so not to take any suspension away from the car that i didnt have to... and definitely used pillow blocks to ensure your rate...
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Old Oct 30, 2011 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ajhehr
and definitely used pillow blocks to ensure your rate...
haha, it's funny you should say that. that was my original idea, I ordered the blocks from www.thebigbearingstore.com and when they arrived they were the size of my house. The pair must weigh 20+ lbs. Thats when I ordered the ones in the pics. they weren't very expensive so I just kept them, if you're interested I'll sell 'em to ya for a song.

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Old Oct 30, 2011 | 07:08 PM
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I use a different mounting method for fabricated sway bars, even with pillow blocks as the chssis shifts the mounts will bind and affect rate.
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Old Oct 30, 2011 | 11:43 PM
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I think hrp world has some that are aluminium...
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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 10:53 PM
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Holy Hell!!!! I just read this whole thing! Time to get in the garage for me! Love the build BigAl! Keep the inspiration coming
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Old Nov 4, 2011 | 11:16 PM
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mad props on the awesome work! race fab at its best
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 07:52 AM
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thanks for all the kind words guys.

this weeks installment shows the installation of the Racepak dash

here is the final product, new OMP with all the decals in place and of course dash in background.


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here's a bird's eye of the brackets I made to mount the dash


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one last angle


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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 09:14 AM
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Are you building it on scales so you can track the weight and balance?
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gkmccready
Are you building it on scales so you can track the weight and balance?

I check it every once and a while, plus I've left a few of the heavy stuff out till the end like the battery so I can put that where I need it.

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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 02:19 PM
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How did you do the labels on the wheel and switch panel? Are they painted on or are they stickers?
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