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Old 07-10-02, 08:00 AM
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Autocross classing

Here's an idea... How about we get a good solid list, all in one post, of what each generation is classified in for SCCA Solo II. I keep getting it all confused, and the SCCA website just makes it more confusing
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Old 07-10-02, 10:22 AM
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Good idea.
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hmm... Well here is my knowledge...

STOCK:
ES - both 1st and 2nd gen's NA are in E-stock (was C-stock last year)
AS - I think TII's run in AS, but I'm not sure.. might also be SS, need to look
SS - 3rd gens, all
Stock Rules:
In stock you are allowed to change cat back exhaust, but must keep emissions. You can change or remove the front bar, but not the rear. You can run pretty much any shock you can buy off of the shelf on your car, and any DOT approved rubber, provided that is on the same size wheels that your car came from the factory with. Pretty much any other performance modifications will throw you into Street Prepared (SP)

Street prepared:
1st gens - CSP (both 12a and 13b)
2nd gen NA - ?
2nd gen TII - ? (really don't see many 2nd gens out there)
3rd gens - ASP

Street Prepared Rules:
You are basically allowed to change anything on your car without doing any internal mods (no porting) with a few exceptions. You must run stock rotors, any pad. You cannot add fender flares or cut body work to accomidate wider wheels (but if they stick out it's just fine) There are a few others too, but those are the main ones.

for you turbo guys, I'm not sure what changing boost levels does to your class. I know if you run like a Haltech or something they throw you to the wolves, but not sure what just a boost controller would do.

These are not the end all be all to the SCCA rules by far, but this should cover most of the beginner questions as to what car with what mods would be which class.... I can dig up more info for those that want to know.

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Old 07-10-02, 11:14 AM
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I have a set of old rules, and I know that the T2 used to be in ASP, and the NA 2nd gen was in CSP. Don't know if that changed recently or not with the reshuffling of classes.
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Old 07-10-02, 01:35 PM
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2nd Gen N/A in SP is CSP

TII's are BS I believe. for mod'd I'm unsure
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BS is correct for unmodded TII's
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With ported engines we'd pretty much be shuttled to E-Mod right? That's the part that was getting me confused.
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I beleive it's actually F-mod for 1st gens... Yeah, that's considered an internal mod, so they chuck you way up, because that could be street port, j port, bridge port who knows...

For boingers it's the same deal with cams. You just want a nice head/cam upgrade for some more power, eh? straight to mod.... Hey, I didn't make the rules.

Thing is about street porting, how they gonna tell?
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You really need to check the official rulebook to be sure. Even SCCA.ORG has that disclaimer!

http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/classes/index.html
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Old 07-12-02, 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by rx7gslse
I beleive it's actually F-mod for 1st gens...
They will be sent to E-Mod.
E-Mod:
Production based cars
Over 2 liters (Rotory is 2x rated displacement)
Min weight - 1500lbs
Floor must not be modified except for motor re-location.
Motor may be moved, as long as it stays in front of the centerline of the car (for front engine cars)

That is pretty much it.
Come on out and play with me in E-Mod
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For all RX-7's in stock classes:

http://mouton.best.vwh.net/sccasolo/...02/stockc.html


For all RX-7's in street prepared classes:

http://mouton.best.vwh.net/sccasolo/...2/stprepc.html


For prepared or modified classes ....

well, if you touched the engine internals or the turbos, you're in prepared. And in case you were wondering, you CANNOT change any boost control mechanisms for street prepared.


For rules on what puts you in which class:

http://mouton.best.vwh.net/sccasolo/Rules/index.html


And generally speaking, if you don't plan on winning at SoloII national championships, then do what you want to your car. Radiator, silicone hoses ... basic reliability stuff; I wouldn't sweat. Nobody's going to dispute your classing because of these things. Auto-x is mostly about driver skill ... like 70/30 driver/car.

We third gen'ers have it rough. SS puts up some stiff competition ... Z06's, 911TT's, M Coupes and Roadsters. Must .. go .. faster ...

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Oh yeah, and if you just want to do whatever you want to your car and race it .... there is a new class for you.

Street Modified 2 - basically, free-for-all. do just about anything you want. This is what I like to call the "how much money did you spend" class.
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Fprepared for internally modded 1st gens. Its really weird...you must retain the stock doors????

If you change the doors to fiberglass or fiberglass skins, you have to go to Emod. I believe if you turbo or supercharge, you also get bumped to....?????


Oh yah....thanks RX7GSLSE for the heads up on this forum....I have been hanging in the 1st gen
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Hey RX-Midget,

Have you met or seen our guy down here in Texas with the 3rotor bug eye? That thing is awsome!! I have to say after seeing your site you have a sweet cone cruncher also
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I can't believe they classify the FD and the Z06 in the same stock class. That's ridiculous. The Z06 is an all around better performer than the FD any day stock vs stock.
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There is a female driver here in Texas that raced a 3rd gen. up until last year......she bought a Z06 and now races it. Same class, she is a national contender....you may have herd of here if you race nationally...Sue Brudy?? But anyway she is faster in the Z06, no dought but she likes the overall performance of the rex better! She still has both cars.
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I know I'm chiming in a bit late, but this is my understanding (and I believe it to be accurate) on the FD between ASP & AP.

Anytime there is the _Ability_ to alter boost or rev limit the FD is thrown into AP! That's why the Haltech is a no no for ASP, along with a Profec...
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That's why the FD is better off in SM2. If you ran the average modded FD in AP against some true AP cars you would have your a$$ handed to you in a bag. SM2 isn't a national class (this year anyway) but the FD should be very competitive in SM2. Besides, there's a lot more competition in SM2 even though it's a fledgling class.

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Originally posted by 1st7heaven
There is a female driver here in Texas that raced a 3rd gen. up until last year......she bought a Z06 and now races it. Same class, she is a national contender....you may have herd of here if you race nationally...Sue Brudy?? But anyway she is faster in the Z06, no dought but she likes the overall performance of the rex better! She still has both cars.
I'm not sure that Sue raced an FD before, but Beth Streilneks was a national champ with her black FD either last year or year before last. And she now races a Z06. Her husband Erik is a multi-time national champ in the same FD until last year ... the Z06's were just too fast. So now, they both race the Z06. I know Sue beat out Beth in the divisionals in Houston earlier this year ... in ASP, running basically stock Z06's. Last I talked to Beth, she said that the FD is now retired.

I don't know if we're talking about the same driver. This much I do know ... Beth is really fast ... and she's really hot.
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Ahhh, we must have a picture "Beth" posted in this forum
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Ahhh, we must have a picture "Beth" posted in this forum
I can try ... I hope her husband takes it all in good humor.
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Awhh...heck, if I were' Beth's husband, I'd be proud that other men want to check the wife out
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Originally posted by 1st7heaven
Fprepared for internally modded 1st gens. Its really weird...you must retain the stock doors????

If you change the doors to fiberglass or fiberglass skins, you have to go to Emod. I believe if you turbo or supercharge, you also get bumped to....?????


Oh yah....thanks RX7GSLSE for the heads up on this forum....I have been hanging in the 1st gen
You can hull the doors out and keep the original skin and stay in FP. They will be very light at that point. Not sure about the fibergalss doors but that shouldn't matter as they aren't readily available unless you make them yourself. A turbo'd 2nd gen runs in BP. Not sure about running different size turbos. Since no RX7 ever came with a supercharger(belt driven) it would automatically get bumped to EM. Porting does not put you into EM. It is allowed in FP.

I would recommend you get a 2002 Solo Rules book. Questioning the rules and finding out whats right or wrong is a good thing. Relying on the forum for the correct answer is possibly a bad thing. I've already seen some wrong answers on basic stuff.
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Originally posted by redrotorR1

I'm not sure that Sue raced an FD before, but Beth Streilneks was a national champ with her black FD . I know Sue beat out Beth in the divisionals in Houston earlier this year ... in ASP, running basically stock Z06's. Last I talked to Beth, she said that the FD is now retired.

I don't know if we're talking about the same driver. This much I do know ... Beth is really fast ... and she's really hot.
Sue did run an FD and it was RED. She also wore kneepads. Her EX-husband used to trailer it from Abilene to Dallas. She is one fast redhead..........HHHmmmm redhead.
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