ABS Removal?
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ABS Removal?
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I've had a brake issue over the last few months and have changed quite a few parts including the booster, front calipers, soft lines to the calipers, and the master cylinder. The issue is a soft pedal or lack of torque when braking. I need my brakes for the track and my next step would be to switch out the ABS pump or delete the ABS all together. So, I need input from you track guys, what should I do? Keep ABS or delete it?
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I've had a brake issue over the last few months and have changed quite a few parts including the booster, front calipers, soft lines to the calipers, and the master cylinder. The issue is a soft pedal or lack of torque when braking. I need my brakes for the track and my next step would be to switch out the ABS pump or delete the ABS all together. So, I need input from you track guys, what should I do? Keep ABS or delete it?
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Thanks I will. I am unsure if it is the ABS but its one of the last points in my brake system that may be the issue plus it would be another failure point to take out of the system. Any thoughts regarding keeping ABS or removing it?
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If you can keep it in place I'd highly recommend it. Braking is the hardest part of road racing especially when your car goes 150 plus mph and I can't think of a better advantage than having a healthy ABS system.
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Is this on an FD? The FD system is pretty good, you should keep if if you can. If your pedal is soft you might not be getting all of the air out, especially if you didn't bench bleed the new master properly. Or does the pedal get soft? That could point to a cooling problem or a bad choice in brake fluid.
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Soft pedal on track points to fluid fade and lack of torque when braking on track points to pad fade. Sounds like you'd be better off getting some higher temperature brake fluid and brake pads and/or getting some brake ducting.
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The pedal is soft all the time all the time, on track, off track, hot brakes, cold brakes, not matter what. The MC was properly bled. How about the proportioning valve? Could that be bad?
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I have a track FD that I run in SCCA ITE. It has the ABS removed and I haven't had any breaking issues that aren't pilot related errors.
I know another local FD racer who has kept his ABS but relocated it to the passenger footbox area to avoid the high temperature zone near the turbos.
I know another local FD racer who has kept his ABS but relocated it to the passenger footbox area to avoid the high temperature zone near the turbos.
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When's the last time you bled the brakes? And did a full flush? What fluid?
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Soft pedal means something in the system is compressing. Typically it's air somewhere, potentially it's a flex line going bad or something leaking (could be a pin ***** leak). Do a complete brake flush and pay close attention when you bleed the calipers for *any* bubbles -- use a clear tube so you can see them. Unless the prop valve or MC is leaking they shouldn't be causing you a soft pedal.
When's the last time you bled the brakes? And did a full flush? What fluid?
When's the last time you bled the brakes? And did a full flush? What fluid?
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I'd keep it as well. The point that Fritz was making above was just driven home by Finger Lock when he said the only issue they have had with ABS removal has been driver error... which is why when slowing from 150mph-50mph, ABS is a nice little something extra to have in your hip pocket just in case . I have followed your numerous threads and know you have went through almost everything in your entire system. I know it has to be extremely frustrating. I do have a question, had you done any brake work when this issue first showed up? Can you tell us when and how it started? ie on the track or "just got in my car to drive one day and the pedal was spongy" etc, etc...
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Guys without the TechII for their Corvette have reported success with putting the car on jackstands or on a lift and cycling the ABS. Doing a bleed. And repeating. Doing it in the air really lets you cycle the valves whereas trying to do it on the street can be problematic.
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I'd keep it as well. The point that Fritz was making above was just driven home by Finger Lock when he said the only issue they have had with ABS removal has been driver error... which is why when slowing from 150mph-50mph, ABS is a nice little something extra to have in your hip pocket just in case . I have followed your numerous threads and know you have went through almost everything in your entire system. I know it has to be extremely frustrating. I do have a question, had you done any brake work when this issue first showed up? Can you tell us when and how it started? ie on the track or "just got in my car to drive one day and the pedal was spongy" etc, etc...
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Could be. My TII doesn't have ABS, but I had a friend with it and recall the bleed procedure for the ABS unit was unexpected. C5 and C6 Corvettes need to use a TechII to cycle the ABS valves to get a full bleed done. You might try using a Motive Pressure Bleeder to see if that's enough to force fluid through the valves. My shop manual is at the, well, shop, so I can't dig through it for you... sorry.
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Guys without the TechII for their Corvette have reported success with putting the car on jackstands or on a lift and cycling the ABS. Doing a bleed. And repeating. Doing it in the air really lets you cycle the valves whereas trying to do it on the street can be problematic.
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Guys without the TechII for their Corvette have reported success with putting the car on jackstands or on a lift and cycling the ABS. Doing a bleed. And repeating. Doing it in the air really lets you cycle the valves whereas trying to do it on the street can be problematic.
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From the day I bought my TII I had an issue with the RF caliper locking before anything else, caused me no end of trouble since I couldn't really get in to the brakes. This did, in fact, turn out to be the stock proportioning valve... but the peddle was always fine. Swapped the valve and things were better. Went dual masters later and haven't looked back. I would have thought a lot harder about that if I had to remove ABS, though...