I would NEVER DO business with Sonix7
02-12-07, 11:18 AM
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Anyone Viewing this thread and Have done business with Sonix7 aka Jason Evans, please post and tell me what he charged for the parts you've bought or parts converted. And also state if you recieved an invoice from so called, "Carbonfiber Innovation".
Thanks!
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02-12-07, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sonix7
Any fish eye and imperfection can easily be wet sanded and polished out with minimal effort.
02-12-07, 11:50 AM
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Jason, better just stay off the forum, if you want it to make it all better. And I am sure Phil will discontinue his reviews on your products. Because every time you come back, Phil will post.
Please do not threaten people with getting a attorney and please understand the legalities before you state them in the first place. There are a few issues you are going to encounter and I will give you a few examples. There are numerous website that give consumer the ability to express their own reviews of bad experiences and bad products, basically in your own words, "deflaming". Couple of well-known websites are cnet and epinion, those websites "deflame" products and let masses realize the potential risk in the products.
Another issue, do you have a business licenses and paying taxes on the item you are selling? By law, you are not in compliance and there are certain fines you must pay.
Lastly, did you ever go through with any of your promises? All the documentations pretty much put you in a bind. You did not repair any of Phil's parts you sent back to him and you still have a lot of his parts. You pretty much used Phil parts to practice on and messed it up. Phil can not even use his panels that he received from you. The items you overlay for him was a waste. Waste of his materials and parts he gave you. Most likely all the parts Phil gave you, you need to give it back and did I mention you wrote free? Hmm...if I were you, I would send all of Phil parts back and just swallow it up.
Now, if Phil did not comply with what was listed above, it will be so hard do even do anything. First you have to find an attorney to take the case, another, is your fees for your attorney will outweigh anything against Phil. Better dish out about $2k for standard fees, and Phil could drag it out, than the fees will add up fast. Because every time the attorney travels to court, we wont talk about the cost. The only attorney that would take the case, would do the case and take your money and in the end, there would be nothing resolve. Just more money and time in the hole.
Good luck and a word of advice, not being rude, but do not post.
On a side note, if fish eye is that easy to fix than Phil needs to send you all those parts back and you fix that problem. It is not as easy as it seems, if it was, you would have done it already and not sent him the messed up pieces. Every time you wet sand you risk of chance of tearing into the clear and resin.
Please do not threaten people with getting a attorney and please understand the legalities before you state them in the first place. There are a few issues you are going to encounter and I will give you a few examples. There are numerous website that give consumer the ability to express their own reviews of bad experiences and bad products, basically in your own words, "deflaming". Couple of well-known websites are cnet and epinion, those websites "deflame" products and let masses realize the potential risk in the products.
Another issue, do you have a business licenses and paying taxes on the item you are selling? By law, you are not in compliance and there are certain fines you must pay.
Lastly, did you ever go through with any of your promises? All the documentations pretty much put you in a bind. You did not repair any of Phil's parts you sent back to him and you still have a lot of his parts. You pretty much used Phil parts to practice on and messed it up. Phil can not even use his panels that he received from you. The items you overlay for him was a waste. Waste of his materials and parts he gave you. Most likely all the parts Phil gave you, you need to give it back and did I mention you wrote free? Hmm...if I were you, I would send all of Phil parts back and just swallow it up.
Now, if Phil did not comply with what was listed above, it will be so hard do even do anything. First you have to find an attorney to take the case, another, is your fees for your attorney will outweigh anything against Phil. Better dish out about $2k for standard fees, and Phil could drag it out, than the fees will add up fast. Because every time the attorney travels to court, we wont talk about the cost. The only attorney that would take the case, would do the case and take your money and in the end, there would be nothing resolve. Just more money and time in the hole.
Good luck and a word of advice, not being rude, but do not post.
On a side note, if fish eye is that easy to fix than Phil needs to send you all those parts back and you fix that problem. It is not as easy as it seems, if it was, you would have done it already and not sent him the messed up pieces. Every time you wet sand you risk of chance of tearing into the clear and resin.
02-12-07, 12:07 PM
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Thanks Leo for giving him some advice..
But to clearify some of Leo's statement. Jason did give me all my parts back.. I think?? I sent him so much I didn't really keep a good count of it all.
To Jason, I REALLY would like for you to stick to your words and go talk to your lawyer! I think you tried to use our justice system to scare me.. but I hate to say this but you have no case... But Please, follow through what you posted before. We all LOVE to hear how some people turn to law to make quick change!
Second, I have a good friend of mine from high school/college who works in the legal department at one of the Colorado hospitals and I have ask him for a favor to check in on few things for me..
Anyone who would like to help, i need to know who bought stuff from Jason Evans aka sonix7 or his so called business, "Carbon Fiber Innovation". If you wouldn't mind telling me what you've bought, how much it cost, and if you recieved an invoice.
I hope you haven't filed your tax for 2006 year.. there might be some issues..
But to clearify some of Leo's statement. Jason did give me all my parts back.. I think?? I sent him so much I didn't really keep a good count of it all.
To Jason, I REALLY would like for you to stick to your words and go talk to your lawyer! I think you tried to use our justice system to scare me.. but I hate to say this but you have no case... But Please, follow through what you posted before. We all LOVE to hear how some people turn to law to make quick change!
Second, I have a good friend of mine from high school/college who works in the legal department at one of the Colorado hospitals and I have ask him for a favor to check in on few things for me..
Anyone who would like to help, i need to know who bought stuff from Jason Evans aka sonix7 or his so called business, "Carbon Fiber Innovation". If you wouldn't mind telling me what you've bought, how much it cost, and if you recieved an invoice.
I hope you haven't filed your tax for 2006 year.. there might be some issues..
02-12-07, 12:25 PM
#33
paint coming off of the door panel.. It even smells funny
Difference between my other panel vs the ones I receieved from Jason Evans (aka Sonix7)
I've compared it with other 3 FD blk door panels I have..
Small section i scraped the paint and see the tan underside.
Some parts that I recieved from jason that does not fit.. This one is HORRIBLE! Its all deformed!
The cluster ****! LOL! it does not fit properly and looks kind of bad..
I'll post more pics..
02-12-07, 12:30 PM
#34
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL131.../229985421.jpg
Back of the handles.. Excessive resin.. but this one isn't as bad as the first one.. 1st set, Ive spend 2 hours taking the resin off..
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL131.../229985420.jpg
You could see the wavyness and dullness of the parts..
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL131.../229985418.jpg
Now compare to the Feed handle.. you could see fisheyes and such.. Not a professional quality.
Back of the handles.. Excessive resin.. but this one isn't as bad as the first one.. 1st set, Ive spend 2 hours taking the resin off..
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL131.../229985420.jpg
You could see the wavyness and dullness of the parts..
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL131.../229985418.jpg
Now compare to the Feed handle.. you could see fisheyes and such.. Not a professional quality.
02-12-07, 01:21 PM
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I cant see any of the pictures either.
Again Herb - I support the rotary community as much as you do. When I look at 15 positives and 1 negative I get curious, especially when I myself have had multiple positive experiences. So far, I see you trying to exercise a serious vendetta and end a seemingly hard working rotor heads business. I am open to reviewing all the evidence you have, and then maybe I will come to a different result. My email is JoeMirabile@gmail.com
Feel free to send the info there.
ABadR1. - Your comments on legalities are ill based. I am getting through law school now, and there are legal issues on both sides here. There are websites that allow for commenting on someones services. There are also rights to privacy, and divulging emails, and personal conversations, is not looked on favorably by the law. As far as slander, again I do not have all the info, and I am not passing any judgment, but, if Sonix was able to prove none of this was true, there is a tort suit there as well.
Lastly,
Threatening to call the IRS on someone is rediculous. I encourage you not to do that, and to try and work out your differences. I would consider anyone willing to call the IRS on anyone else, in ANY situation, a total scumbag.
For now, all I can say is that Sonix did good work for me, and people I know, thus, I cannot flame him. I do not have all the info in this case, and until I do Herb, I cannot support you....I welcome the evidence as stated above.
Again Herb - I support the rotary community as much as you do. When I look at 15 positives and 1 negative I get curious, especially when I myself have had multiple positive experiences. So far, I see you trying to exercise a serious vendetta and end a seemingly hard working rotor heads business. I am open to reviewing all the evidence you have, and then maybe I will come to a different result. My email is JoeMirabile@gmail.com
Feel free to send the info there.
ABadR1. - Your comments on legalities are ill based. I am getting through law school now, and there are legal issues on both sides here. There are websites that allow for commenting on someones services. There are also rights to privacy, and divulging emails, and personal conversations, is not looked on favorably by the law. As far as slander, again I do not have all the info, and I am not passing any judgment, but, if Sonix was able to prove none of this was true, there is a tort suit there as well.
Lastly,
Threatening to call the IRS on someone is rediculous. I encourage you not to do that, and to try and work out your differences. I would consider anyone willing to call the IRS on anyone else, in ANY situation, a total scumbag.
For now, all I can say is that Sonix did good work for me, and people I know, thus, I cannot flame him. I do not have all the info in this case, and until I do Herb, I cannot support you....I welcome the evidence as stated above.
02-12-07, 01:46 PM
#36
Joe, I've sent you an email.. but also understand that you are seeing things in one sided view.
If you are to criticize me for contacting IRS, you should also criticize Jason for threatening with some non sense law suit.
So called Vendetta I might have for jason, would go along anyone who crosses me in this way.. Maybe you might of handled it differently, but its being handled this way because he acted the way he did. Sorry you disagree with the away its being carried out.
If you are to criticize me for contacting IRS, you should also criticize Jason for threatening with some non sense law suit.
So called Vendetta I might have for jason, would go along anyone who crosses me in this way.. Maybe you might of handled it differently, but its being handled this way because he acted the way he did. Sorry you disagree with the away its being carried out.
02-12-07, 03:37 PM
#37
Originally Posted by herblenny
First of all, I want to thank fikren for understand my situation.. That's exactly it.. and to add to what he said..
I have worked with Jason Evans aka sonix7 for over a year behind the forum. Never said anything negative and when there was a problem, I kept it off the public via emails. And did this since OCT 2005! Thats over a year!
I also know there are other people who did business with him and got good results. I stated that in my very first post I made on last saturday morning about Jason.
Again, I'm bringing all this up because of the fact he lied about what he offered and insisted to do. He completely disregarded my effords and time I've put in. He used my material which I bought for him and probably did your (mirabile) parts.
I always believed that you help the person who helped you the most! If I make a promise, I follow... If I owe someone, I pay back.... In this situation, he wasted great deal amounts of my time (both emailing hundreds of emails and waiting 1.25 years) and caused great stress! I didn't want to loose over $1000 I put in toward buying him stuff but also all the parts I've sent him.
If those who wants to support people like this, thats great! I think that rotary community is unique and I tried to support the rotary community before I support others.
I knew I could of done this overlay stuff on my own.. I told jason many tricks I've learned 2 years prior to telling him. I had 10 yard of CF at home and 2 yard of kevlar/CF, resin and hardener, etc. I even know a local friend whos a consoltant to manufacturing company and master molder, who was going to let me use his vac system. And when I think back and see how much time I've wasted because I wanted a fellow rotary guy to suceed so he could make something of himself.. It makes me sick that that same person screws me over..
That's why I'M PISSED.. and I think anyone else who's in my shoes will feel very similar.. Wouldn't you mirabile??
And if someone I respect on this forum gets screwed like I did, I wouldn't support Jason Evans either..
I have worked with Jason Evans aka sonix7 for over a year behind the forum. Never said anything negative and when there was a problem, I kept it off the public via emails. And did this since OCT 2005! Thats over a year!
I also know there are other people who did business with him and got good results. I stated that in my very first post I made on last saturday morning about Jason.
Again, I'm bringing all this up because of the fact he lied about what he offered and insisted to do. He completely disregarded my effords and time I've put in. He used my material which I bought for him and probably did your (mirabile) parts.
I always believed that you help the person who helped you the most! If I make a promise, I follow... If I owe someone, I pay back.... In this situation, he wasted great deal amounts of my time (both emailing hundreds of emails and waiting 1.25 years) and caused great stress! I didn't want to loose over $1000 I put in toward buying him stuff but also all the parts I've sent him.
If those who wants to support people like this, thats great! I think that rotary community is unique and I tried to support the rotary community before I support others.
I knew I could of done this overlay stuff on my own.. I told jason many tricks I've learned 2 years prior to telling him. I had 10 yard of CF at home and 2 yard of kevlar/CF, resin and hardener, etc. I even know a local friend whos a consoltant to manufacturing company and master molder, who was going to let me use his vac system. And when I think back and see how much time I've wasted because I wanted a fellow rotary guy to suceed so he could make something of himself.. It makes me sick that that same person screws me over..
That's why I'M PISSED.. and I think anyone else who's in my shoes will feel very similar.. Wouldn't you mirabile??
And if someone I respect on this forum gets screwed like I did, I wouldn't support Jason Evans either..
I agree with you 100% Phill. I hope Jason Evans(sonix7) will step up and do the right thing to fix this problem for you.
02-12-07, 03:39 PM
#38
Just in case, those of you who missed the original thread..
Here is what happened at the end..
Date:12-26-06
Jason writes
Same day: 12-26-06
I think couple of weeks later...
I should also mention, I been asking him to send me some progress pics of the parts he started back in March. All the remainding parts he so called trying to finish have been wrapped back in march or worked on back in march. I've posted the confirmation email on the previous thread...
Couple of weeks goes by I get this email after kept asking him about the package.. daily!
2/2/2007
I email back with GREAT JOY!!! as he finally tells me ALL parts are complete! Zero mentioning of anything going wrong..
As you could see from my reply, I was in joy that this sega will finally end! I was so happy that I took my wife out to celebrate!!
Then on Feb 4th, 2007... Jason email me this... Now this is the KICKER!!!! Remember, 2 days after he comfirmed that he has finished all the parts and HAVE sent the items out.
SO, NOW do you guys understand why I would be pissed.. He pretty much sold the panels to someone else.. And sends me TAN spray painted panels!!!! So some of you think he's a such a "GREAT" "HONEST" guy.. I say **** that! I just provided all the evidence to what he did.. I have the panels here that I could see its painted.. So, DID I make out on this deal??? 1.25 years of waiting.. EMAILS after emails of BS, the stress.. SHitty parts (which I posted on other thread).. And some of you think a good honest person would do such a thing?
I truely believe I got less than what i gave Jason! Zero respect he gave me when I've spend hours and hours.. chance after chance to help him.. but he pull this **** at the last minute... He says he mailed.. then tells me the shitty parts he included 2 days later??.. **** THAT!!! Hope I'm not the only one who thinks this is BAD..
To be honest, if all the parts were promised as before, I would of shut my mouth and moved on with my life.. but shitty parts and switching panels... Bad Move buddy!
And let me also clearify as he is mention that I never paid him..
He offered to do that parts for FREE.. I bought stuff for him and HE NEVER paid me. I told him not to worry as I feel bad about taking things for free! All the stuff I provided him, including the sponsorship level at DGRR totals well over $1000.
Plus personal time I've spend getting parts for his car, parts for him to mold, talking to potential customers, spreading the word about him, etc etc.. if I would put price tag on that service (just as he put price tag on his service to CF overlay) would be also well over $1000...
Here is what happened at the end..
Date:12-26-06
Jason writes
Originally Posted by jason
I was getting at you to LYK that the box is coming in the next few days. We got dumped on like I have never witnessed before. There is snow and ice everywhere. It dropped like 4 feet of snow here and now they have plowed a bunch of roads and caused even more mess.
I was getting at you to LYK that the box is coming in the next few days. We got dumped on like I have never witnessed before. There is snow and ice everywhere. It dropped like 4 feet of snow here and now they have plowed a bunch of roads and caused even more mess.
Originally Posted by me
Jason,
Thank you so much for the update. A good friend of mine who was flying thru denver told me about the snow in. I guess I'm pretty lucky to live in AL where it never snows.. Anyhow, Thanks again for the update and can't wait to get it. I have this week off and going to work on the car during this break.
Happy Holidays!
PHIL
Jason,
Thank you so much for the update. A good friend of mine who was flying thru denver told me about the snow in. I guess I'm pretty lucky to live in AL where it never snows.. Anyhow, Thanks again for the update and can't wait to get it. I have this week off and going to work on the car during this break.
Happy Holidays!
PHIL
Quote:
Phil I have not forgot about you. I just contacted both Fed Ex and UPS and they want like $50.00 dollars to ship the dimensions I gave for this last box.
Phil I have not forgot about you. I just contacted both Fed Ex and UPS and they want like $50.00 dollars to ship the dimensions I gave for this last box.
Originally Posted by ME! 1/12/07
This is the last thing I will do!
YOU send it and once I have the parts in my hand, I will paypal you $50.
You have my word. I've done everything youve asked, including buying parts, sending money, buying material and such.. When I have the parts, I WILL send you $50.. If $50 dollars holding things back, I will send it... But not until I know you I have recieved all these parts.. you have my word! I'm sure you have credit card, so, I don't think 1 week or so until you have the money will made a difference.
Send the parts, give me tracking info, when it arrives, I will send the money.. Plain and simple. Lets do this and stop wasting more time chatting about who has what problems.. I have problems too.
This is the last thing I will do!
YOU send it and once I have the parts in my hand, I will paypal you $50.
You have my word. I've done everything youve asked, including buying parts, sending money, buying material and such.. When I have the parts, I WILL send you $50.. If $50 dollars holding things back, I will send it... But not until I know you I have recieved all these parts.. you have my word! I'm sure you have credit card, so, I don't think 1 week or so until you have the money will made a difference.
Send the parts, give me tracking info, when it arrives, I will send the money.. Plain and simple. Lets do this and stop wasting more time chatting about who has what problems.. I have problems too.
Couple of weeks goes by I get this email after kept asking him about the package.. daily!
2/2/2007
Originally Posted by Jason
Phil, the box is gone today. I had it ready, you should have got the tracking info. I realized that I almost forgot one part and did not have time to make it complete until late last night.
Phil, the box is gone today. I had it ready, you should have got the tracking info. I realized that I almost forgot one part and did not have time to make it complete until late last night.
I email back with GREAT JOY!!! as he finally tells me ALL parts are complete! Zero mentioning of anything going wrong..
Originally Posted by ME
THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!
THANK U!
I CAN NOT wait to see it Jason!
ONce I get it, I'll put all the interior together and post it on the, " MY Blk FD base build up.... Ground up! literally!" thread!
Thanks man!
Can't wait to install it so I could finish up this damn car!!!
PHIL
THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!
THANK U!
I CAN NOT wait to see it Jason!
ONce I get it, I'll put all the interior together and post it on the, " MY Blk FD base build up.... Ground up! literally!" thread!
Thanks man!
Can't wait to install it so I could finish up this damn car!!!
PHIL
Then on Feb 4th, 2007... Jason email me this... Now this is the KICKER!!!! Remember, 2 days after he comfirmed that he has finished all the parts and HAVE sent the items out.
Originally Posted by Jason aka Sonix7 2/4/07 after he tells me its sent out!
Parts that did not come out - door panel and mirrors. They both lifted and at that point we could not do them again. I tried everything. I need to instruct you on the rest of the ac conversion. You need to lengthen some wires and take a little notch out of the trany cover support beam, its very simple and then everything will work. I also primered the mirrors so you can just paint them. Sorry about the failure on some of those parts. I have no idea what happened to the door panel, but someone paid me $500 per panel to do theirs so I gave you back a basically perfect black door panel. I also freshed them up and made them look close to new. Also in the box is the headlight cover, the old jacked up PFC panel (I repainted it for you). A new pressure chamber because that just looked like ****, so I replaced it. You saw the pics above. That's it bro. I don't have another one of your parts. We are done. Sorry it took so long. I have no problem showing you exactly what you need to do to get the ac set-up working. That's it. Thanx for everything. Look for that tracking number to show transit in the morn. Take care.
SO, NOW do you guys understand why I would be pissed.. He pretty much sold the panels to someone else.. And sends me TAN spray painted panels!!!! So some of you think he's a such a "GREAT" "HONEST" guy.. I say **** that! I just provided all the evidence to what he did.. I have the panels here that I could see its painted.. So, DID I make out on this deal??? 1.25 years of waiting.. EMAILS after emails of BS, the stress.. SHitty parts (which I posted on other thread).. And some of you think a good honest person would do such a thing?
I truely believe I got less than what i gave Jason! Zero respect he gave me when I've spend hours and hours.. chance after chance to help him.. but he pull this **** at the last minute... He says he mailed.. then tells me the shitty parts he included 2 days later??.. **** THAT!!! Hope I'm not the only one who thinks this is BAD..
To be honest, if all the parts were promised as before, I would of shut my mouth and moved on with my life.. but shitty parts and switching panels... Bad Move buddy!
And let me also clearify as he is mention that I never paid him..
He offered to do that parts for FREE.. I bought stuff for him and HE NEVER paid me. I told him not to worry as I feel bad about taking things for free! All the stuff I provided him, including the sponsorship level at DGRR totals well over $1000.
Plus personal time I've spend getting parts for his car, parts for him to mold, talking to potential customers, spreading the word about him, etc etc.. if I would put price tag on that service (just as he put price tag on his service to CF overlay) would be also well over $1000...
02-12-07, 03:55 PM
#39
Originally Posted by rx7goomba
I agree with you 100% Phill. I hope Jason Evans(sonix7) will step up and do the right thing to fix this problem for you.
Unfortunately, I would NEVER send him another part of mine... Why you ask?
Because I don't want to wait another year for it!! Its rediculous for him to so call, "finish up" the part when he started the part in Feb/March of 2006. And when he sends it, he'll make some other excuses..
Well, it really doesn't matter now.. He's going to go talk to his lawyer and I'm sure trying to file a lawsuit against me.. LOL! I BEG him to do it! Finally once he'll actually do what he promised me that he will DO!
02-12-07, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mirabile
Lastly,
Threatening to call the IRS on someone is rediculous. I encourage you not to do that, and to try and work out your differences. I would consider anyone willing to call the IRS on anyone else, in ANY situation, a total scumbag. .
i hope the both of you can work this out
02-12-07, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by adictd2b00st
quoted for truth..... if you have to stoop to that, then it really says alot about you as well. over the years i've had my fair share of "bad dealings" with people on automotive forums.... and the only times anything ever worked out is when it was gone about in a civil manner. if you keep slinging **** at eachother, its gonna get you nowhere fast, trust me.
i hope the both of you can work this out
i hope the both of you can work this out
02-12-07, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mirabile
I cant see any of the pictures either.
ABadR1. - Your comments on legalities are ill based. I am getting through law school now, and there are legal issues on both sides here. There are websites that allow for commenting on someones services. There are also rights to privacy, and divulging emails, and personal conversations, is not looked on favorably by the law. As far as slander, again I do not have all the info, and I am not passing any judgment, but, if Sonix was able to prove none of this was true, there is a tort suit there as well.
Lastly,
Threatening to call the IRS on someone is rediculous. I encourage you not to do that, and to try and work out your differences. I would consider anyone willing to call the IRS on anyone else, in ANY situation, a total scumbag.
For now, all I can say is that Sonix did good work for me, and people I know, thus, I cannot flame him. I do not have all the info in this case, and until I do Herb, I cannot support you....I welcome the evidence as stated above.
ABadR1. - Your comments on legalities are ill based. I am getting through law school now, and there are legal issues on both sides here. There are websites that allow for commenting on someones services. There are also rights to privacy, and divulging emails, and personal conversations, is not looked on favorably by the law. As far as slander, again I do not have all the info, and I am not passing any judgment, but, if Sonix was able to prove none of this was true, there is a tort suit there as well.
Lastly,
Threatening to call the IRS on someone is rediculous. I encourage you not to do that, and to try and work out your differences. I would consider anyone willing to call the IRS on anyone else, in ANY situation, a total scumbag.
For now, all I can say is that Sonix did good work for me, and people I know, thus, I cannot flame him. I do not have all the info in this case, and until I do Herb, I cannot support you....I welcome the evidence as stated above.
To your response to me, you stated privacy issues, that is a whole different case than what I posted earlier. I stated Jason will have a hard case against Phil. Do not bring infringing in someone's privacy and not favorable by law, come on that is a totally different issues than the transaction with Jason and Phil. Your bringing in a totally different issue here. Let's talk about the problem at hand...Jason and Phil's transaction.
Now to the privacy infringing, I am assuming using a tape recorder is against privacy, even without the other party's permission? That is evidence that can still be held up in court. You should know that what you do in your on house is private. When you hack in someone's email that is private. Phil is only gathering information on his own email, he did not hack and stole their own conversation. If Jason was going take the privacy issue to court, I think he would have a better case going to court about the transaction b/t the two. You should know that if this was to be taken to court, the judge is not going to say, "oh well, since you post the email conversation I am going to favor Jason." You should know Jason has a very hard case if he took it to court. In regards to the case, most attorney would laugh at this childish threats. Understand, if an attorney was to take this case, it would be for monetary benefits, since they will know this case would go no where. Probably mediate without any resolution. What you study in the books, at the end, it is the Judge and Jury that decides your FATE, not the books you learn. All laws are bendable to an extent.
Everybody's privacy gets broken everyday, but taking it to trial how much can it really hold up in court???
Phil in most cases is at disadvantage, because Jason posted things that contradicts his transaction with Phil. By posting these facts actually will hurt Phil, because now Jason would watch what he type in the future on the forum, instead of digging himself in a black HOLE.
02-12-07, 05:00 PM
#43
Customer service is what will keep you in business....and the reaction from
Jason Evans(sonix7).....its obviously him who needs to clear this up. Herblenny pretty much stated his facts...and the short answers from sonix7 doesnt make much sense or look good on his behalf.
GoodLuck herblenny
Jason Evans(sonix7).....its obviously him who needs to clear this up. Herblenny pretty much stated his facts...and the short answers from sonix7 doesnt make much sense or look good on his behalf.
GoodLuck herblenny
02-12-07, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AbadR1
To your response to me, you stated privacy issues, that is a whole different case than what I posted earlier. I stated Jason will have a hard case against Phil. Do not bring infringing in someone's privacy and not favorable by law, come on that is a totally different issues than the transaction with Jason and Phil. Your bringing in a totally different issue here. Let's talk about the problem at hand...Jason and Phil's transaction.
Now to the privacy infringing, I am assuming using a tape recorder is against privacy, even without the other party's permission? That is evidence that can still be held up in court. You should know that what you do in your on house is private. When you hack in someone's email that is private. Phil is only gathering information on his own email, he did not hack and stole their own conversation. If Jason was going take the privacy issue to court, I think he would have a better case going to court about the transaction b/t the two. You should know that if this was to be taken to court, the judge is not going to say, "oh well, since you post the email conversation I am going to favor Jason." You should know Jason has a very hard case if he took it to court. In regards to the case, most attorney would laugh at this childish threats. Understand, if an attorney was to take this case, it would be for monetary benefits, since they will know this case would go no where. Probably mediate without any resolution. What you study in the books, at the end, it is the Judge and Jury that decides your FATE, not the books you learn. All laws are bendable to an extent.
Everybody's privacy gets broken everyday, but taking it to trial how much can it really hold up in court???
Phil in most cases is at disadvantage, because Jason posted things that contradicts his transaction with Phil. By posting these facts actually will hurt Phil, because now Jason would watch what he type in the future on the forum, instead of digging himself in a black HOLE.
Now to the privacy infringing, I am assuming using a tape recorder is against privacy, even without the other party's permission? That is evidence that can still be held up in court. You should know that what you do in your on house is private. When you hack in someone's email that is private. Phil is only gathering information on his own email, he did not hack and stole their own conversation. If Jason was going take the privacy issue to court, I think he would have a better case going to court about the transaction b/t the two. You should know that if this was to be taken to court, the judge is not going to say, "oh well, since you post the email conversation I am going to favor Jason." You should know Jason has a very hard case if he took it to court. In regards to the case, most attorney would laugh at this childish threats. Understand, if an attorney was to take this case, it would be for monetary benefits, since they will know this case would go no where. Probably mediate without any resolution. What you study in the books, at the end, it is the Judge and Jury that decides your FATE, not the books you learn. All laws are bendable to an extent.
Everybody's privacy gets broken everyday, but taking it to trial how much can it really hold up in court???
Phil in most cases is at disadvantage, because Jason posted things that contradicts his transaction with Phil. By posting these facts actually will hurt Phil, because now Jason would watch what he type in the future on the forum, instead of digging himself in a black HOLE.
OK. All I can possibly say to you is, I understand you are defending Phil, that is fine, but, do not try and write about issues you obviously have no background with, nor understanding. Your imput to this thread has been detrimental, you have no experience with Sonix, and are offering no help. You are making unfounded claims. Therefore, let people who want to help, and clarify the issues, attempt to take care of this. Phil seems to have his head on his shoulders, and wants to fix this. I think it is very possible this can be worked out.
02-12-07, 05:59 PM
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Never dealt with Jason...(can't stand the font he types in)
but I know PHIL, and the quality he delivers and expects...and he isn't asking the impossible. If Jason ruined (or sold...I don't think he did, that could be a misunderstanding) parts that PHIL sent, the same quality part needs to be returned, as a lose to the "biz"
If Jason ruined materials (or used for "paying" customers parts) that PHIL sent...that material needs to be replenished to PHIL (as a lose to the "biz"), so he can take his parts and material else where to get worked by someone who can deliver the quality PHIL is looking for.
Jason tried no doubting that...(but really you can't return a part such as the trunk piece that is obviously deformed and not going to work) but has to man up and take the lose. Running a successful business isn't just about profit. Some projects could be the opposite, and you live and learn which you can and cannot complete.
Even though you didn't work for cash...you can't assume PHIL should be happy with anything you send him, just as long the number of parts in equals the number of parts out...and you tried to use the material he sent.
not sure what is not cut and dry here.
all the defaming bullshit...this is a public forum.
but I know PHIL, and the quality he delivers and expects...and he isn't asking the impossible. If Jason ruined (or sold...I don't think he did, that could be a misunderstanding) parts that PHIL sent, the same quality part needs to be returned, as a lose to the "biz"
If Jason ruined materials (or used for "paying" customers parts) that PHIL sent...that material needs to be replenished to PHIL (as a lose to the "biz"), so he can take his parts and material else where to get worked by someone who can deliver the quality PHIL is looking for.
Jason tried no doubting that...(but really you can't return a part such as the trunk piece that is obviously deformed and not going to work) but has to man up and take the lose. Running a successful business isn't just about profit. Some projects could be the opposite, and you live and learn which you can and cannot complete.
Even though you didn't work for cash...you can't assume PHIL should be happy with anything you send him, just as long the number of parts in equals the number of parts out...and you tried to use the material he sent.
not sure what is not cut and dry here.
all the defaming bullshit...this is a public forum.
02-12-07, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mirabile
OK. All I can possibly say to you is, I understand you are defending Phil, that is fine, but, do not try and write about issues you obviously have no background with, nor understanding. Your imput to this thread has been detrimental, you have no experience with Sonix, and are offering no help. You are making unfounded claims. Therefore, let people who want to help, and clarify the issues, attempt to take care of this. Phil seems to have his head on his shoulders, and wants to fix this. I think it is very possible this can be worked out.
In the past, Phil told me about his incident with the fish eye problem and imperfection in the paint. I recommended Phil some alternatives, so Jason can resolve this issue. I know more about this situation, than just coming on here to be detrimental.
So my background and understand, please explain what the judge would do if this case was taken to court? Majority of judges would pretty much grin and tell the plaintiff to go home. I did not mention all judges, since all have a mind of their own. If the judge was to examine the case, the privacy factor would not come in effect. Hence, that is not the main issue at hand. Jason as no leverage, because everything was written, the only case would be Phil filing suit against Jason in this whole matter.
Joe, Jason has no facts that would help him, but hurt him for the matter. That is why Jason has not posted.
Joe, I have no issues with you and I hope your not taking that way. I hope you understand the only resolution to this matter, is the day Jason quit making excuses to everything Phil post, than it will be the end!
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02-12-07, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by adictd2b00st
quoted for truth..... if you have to stoop to that, then it really says alot about you as well. over the years i've had my fair share of "bad dealings" with people on automotive forums.... and the only times anything ever worked out is when it was gone about in a civil manner. if you keep slinging **** at eachother, its gonna get you nowhere fast, trust me.
i hope the both of you can work this out
i hope the both of you can work this out
Phil would not do such a thing, that was in retaliation to Jason wanting to get an attorney.
02-12-07, 11:34 PM
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Here is a revision, so that I can better explain it, as I could not edit my previous post.
It is more than just defending Phil, what Jason did is unethical and he needs to man up and quit making excuse. Your positive experience w/ Jason, does not make all his dealing with others a happy one. In regards to making unfound claims, does listening to attorney talk almost everyday and sitting in the court room hold any validity?
In regards to the background and understanding, please explain what the judge would do if this case was taken to court? You can never determine how a case would be ruled, ever. Judges have their own mind and different things in their life and their personal experiences can sometimes decide the fate of their ruling. From the facts that Phil gathered, most judges will not rule in the favor of the plaintiff. If the judge was to examine the case, the privacy factor would not come in effect. Hence, that is not the main issue at hand. Jason has no case, because everything was written and the facts speak for themselves, the only case would be Phil filing suit against Jason in this whole matter.
In the past, Phil told me about his incident with the fish eye problem and imperfection in the paint. I recommended Phil some alternatives, so Jason can resolve this issue. I know more about this situation, than just coming on here to be detrimental. Oh did I mention I have seen these pieces?
Joe, Jason has no facts that would help him, but hurt him for the matter. That is why Jason has not posted.
Joe, I have no issues with you and I hope your not taking that way. I hope you understand the only resolution to this matter, is the day Jason quit making excuses to everything Phil post, than it will be the end!
Check out the post by Herblenny on the for sale section and let the evidence speak for themselves.
Originally Posted by mirabile
OK. All I can possibly say to you is, I understand you are defending Phil, that is fine, but, do not try and write about issues you obviously have no background with, nor understanding. Your imput to this thread has been detrimental, you have no experience with Sonix, and are offering no help. You are making unfounded claims. Therefore, let people who want to help, and clarify the issues, attempt to take care of this. Phil seems to have his head on his shoulders, and wants to fix this. I think it is very possible this can be worked out.
In regards to the background and understanding, please explain what the judge would do if this case was taken to court? You can never determine how a case would be ruled, ever. Judges have their own mind and different things in their life and their personal experiences can sometimes decide the fate of their ruling. From the facts that Phil gathered, most judges will not rule in the favor of the plaintiff. If the judge was to examine the case, the privacy factor would not come in effect. Hence, that is not the main issue at hand. Jason has no case, because everything was written and the facts speak for themselves, the only case would be Phil filing suit against Jason in this whole matter.
In the past, Phil told me about his incident with the fish eye problem and imperfection in the paint. I recommended Phil some alternatives, so Jason can resolve this issue. I know more about this situation, than just coming on here to be detrimental. Oh did I mention I have seen these pieces?
Joe, Jason has no facts that would help him, but hurt him for the matter. That is why Jason has not posted.
Joe, I have no issues with you and I hope your not taking that way. I hope you understand the only resolution to this matter, is the day Jason quit making excuses to everything Phil post, than it will be the end!
Check out the post by Herblenny on the for sale section and let the evidence speak for themselves.
02-13-07, 06:07 AM
#49
Originally Posted by sonix7
That was until Phil was not pleased with any thing I did and basically degraded me. I was ready to wash my hands right there. He called and made me believe that he was going to do good. I sent him the first batch of parts and he complains and wants me to do them over. So I do. Then he sends pieces that I wasted a ton of time and material on for nothing. He sent me a RHD cowl and I got almost finished and figured out it didn't fit. Money down the drain. When the finance got to high for me to do Phil's parts for free anymore, I was very honest and asked him to help and that I no longer had any money for his project. He pressured me to get them done and offered no help, I tried to finish up and call it a loss. I never mix and match parts and don't ever use someone elses parts unless they give me permission (like Phil). I treated Phils parts like everyone elses. Any fish eye and imperfection can easily be wet sanded and polished out with minimal effort. Clearcoating epoxy resin is much different than a car or regular clearcoating. I have many professionals that have the same problem. Regardless, Phil could have re-cleared them himself or had a paint shop do it (they were free) if he was not happy. Which this is all this is really about. I am very sorry about that Phil. I worked numerous hours and busted my *** for you. It makes no sense for me to work hundreds of hours and get next to nothing out of it just to screw you. I should have known this was going to happen. BTW, Phil you have had those pieces for months. Why did you not tell me then? Why did you not say anything til now? This is very shady, why did you post a thread to pump me up, were you being honest? Anyway, I have explained enough. Phil should have used the proper way to get things fixed. All my paying customers get a warranty and if it is not good enough then it gets fixed. Ask Maxspeed (3 time paying customer) ask Mirable (multiple time paying customer) ask MazdaspeedsFD3S. Ask the numerous customers I have had. Thanx
You may have perfected your skills and gained the respect of a few, but how many did you screw and get-over on to get to where you are? Aren't you the same individual that made an attempt to be a vendor on this forum but backed-out because didn't want to pay to advertise and transact business like every other vendor on this forum even though you did briefly advertised and put yourself out there for everyone see? That alone says a lot about your character. Just because you have managed to do some quality work and gain a few people in your corner doesn't mean you shouldn't own up to your quality issues and past misdeeds,... or present misdeeds for that matter.
02-13-07, 07:08 AM
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I would like to thank those for understanding my situation..
I'll add another detail to this sega..
Anyone who had any types of relationships should know "TRUST" is very important!
After helping Jason for about 3-4 weeks, he insisted that I send all the parts I wanted to overlay, as I was building a show car. I was going to do this myself (as repeated earlier). I told him I was going to DO ALL THE panels. He said no problem. I said, I will just send all the little pieces and I'll either do them or fly him over to Bham as another local guy wanted to do the same thing (20b 3rd gen). He said he wanted to use me as an example and he was going to do this for FREE (as you could see in the emails).
So, I send him 3 boxes of parts and inside $250 RX8 shiftknob, 1 x R1 lip, 1x 99 lip, and other misc parts he could keep.. All and all about $1500-$2000 IN PARTS!
He then asked me to either pay him for some material or buy some CF for him. He said he doesn't have enough CF and needed 4 yards of CF. I bought him 10 yards ($400).
I send him more parts and materials and NOW he has OVER $3000 of my parts and NEW stuff I've bought for him.... BEFORE I recieved a single item back! Now you guys kind of understanding what kind of trust I had on him???
2 months goes by jason sends me few pics. but I could tell the quality. I ask him to send as many parts as possible.. still nothing.. Finally, He sends me 2 exterior door handles and a colume pod that looked like ***. Nicely, I complain about lack of parts I received and the quality of the handles.. And he goes ape ****! So, what can I do?? He's holding over 3k worth of my stuff, I'm kind of in a weird situation as jason tells me for months how great things are going and such and he flips out!! (all this on the email also)
Do any of you now understand what kind of situation I was in?? I trusted this guy and after pointing out that he can't sell handles like this and he goes ape ****. And just to make sure that it wasn't just me who thinks the handles were ****, I showed it to several local, well respected rotary owners,.. The all agreed that it was ****!!! I spent about 10 hours on the emails, over 3 hours on the phone explaining why he can't send me parts like this to me. Finally after all the phone and email conversation, he said and I quote, "You'll be my #1 priority".. yeh right.. I recieved the next set of handles 6 months later! And you could all see, its not perfect.. But I shut my mouth because I just wanted my parts back!
Do you guys think I'm lying about this?? i provided all the emails as facts.. I'm not making anything up! No reason to! I recieved what I recieved and tried (understand I been working with Jason for over a year trying to get quality parts). And everytime its the same excuses.. "I'm doing this for FREE"..I don't understand how many times I told him that in a way, you are not! I've given him $1000+ worth of NEW parts, Used parts, and Meterials.. And not to point out my efforts trying to help this guy. That alone I've spent well over 20-30 hours! And thats not an exaggeration.. He understood for short period of time when I put things in perspective... but same excuses emerges over and over.. as you could see what he posted here on the forum..
Please put yourself in my situation.. I wanted to help this guy, wanted for him to succeed, I didn't not take advantage of his FREE offer and I DID compensate him! I was patient and waited over a year to recieve parts he started in March of 2006 (All the parts I recieved, he started in march of 2006, I have pics and emails.. and no new parts were started after that.. maybe the mirrors, but that didn't even get converted and worse than what i sent thim.. It was BRAND NEW now its primed), Bought him more parts, gave him more money, I even settle to just get my parts back in time... NOTHING!! until 2/8/07!
So, those who think I don't have right to be pissed because you might of got things fine thru Jason, should know... Probably your parts are made from the CF I bought him... He used maybe 1 yard of the stuff I recieved.. I bought him 10 yards (360 inches x 50 inches).
And to be clear about another thing.. Some of you think I need to WORK things out with Jason Evans aka Sonix7.. Please, Tell me how I should work things out???
Read what has happened and you will understand.. I BEEN trying to work things out! Remember that over a year I kept this silent.. NO ONE KNEW!!! I think if I posted this back in FEB of 2006 (a year ago), i think most of you would of re consider sending your parts to Jason.. There will be NO working things out with him.. Why, I don't want to send a dime, parts, etc to Jason... What i recieved from him is underquality parts and I will go far as he ruined some of the parts.. I already asked him back last year about replacing and he did nothing.. Now the door panel swap BS>.. RIght.. I'll be sending that to him...
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I'll add another detail to this sega..
Anyone who had any types of relationships should know "TRUST" is very important!
After helping Jason for about 3-4 weeks, he insisted that I send all the parts I wanted to overlay, as I was building a show car. I was going to do this myself (as repeated earlier). I told him I was going to DO ALL THE panels. He said no problem. I said, I will just send all the little pieces and I'll either do them or fly him over to Bham as another local guy wanted to do the same thing (20b 3rd gen). He said he wanted to use me as an example and he was going to do this for FREE (as you could see in the emails).
So, I send him 3 boxes of parts and inside $250 RX8 shiftknob, 1 x R1 lip, 1x 99 lip, and other misc parts he could keep.. All and all about $1500-$2000 IN PARTS!
He then asked me to either pay him for some material or buy some CF for him. He said he doesn't have enough CF and needed 4 yards of CF. I bought him 10 yards ($400).
I send him more parts and materials and NOW he has OVER $3000 of my parts and NEW stuff I've bought for him.... BEFORE I recieved a single item back! Now you guys kind of understanding what kind of trust I had on him???
2 months goes by jason sends me few pics. but I could tell the quality. I ask him to send as many parts as possible.. still nothing.. Finally, He sends me 2 exterior door handles and a colume pod that looked like ***. Nicely, I complain about lack of parts I received and the quality of the handles.. And he goes ape ****! So, what can I do?? He's holding over 3k worth of my stuff, I'm kind of in a weird situation as jason tells me for months how great things are going and such and he flips out!! (all this on the email also)
Do any of you now understand what kind of situation I was in?? I trusted this guy and after pointing out that he can't sell handles like this and he goes ape ****. And just to make sure that it wasn't just me who thinks the handles were ****, I showed it to several local, well respected rotary owners,.. The all agreed that it was ****!!! I spent about 10 hours on the emails, over 3 hours on the phone explaining why he can't send me parts like this to me. Finally after all the phone and email conversation, he said and I quote, "You'll be my #1 priority".. yeh right.. I recieved the next set of handles 6 months later! And you could all see, its not perfect.. But I shut my mouth because I just wanted my parts back!
Do you guys think I'm lying about this?? i provided all the emails as facts.. I'm not making anything up! No reason to! I recieved what I recieved and tried (understand I been working with Jason for over a year trying to get quality parts). And everytime its the same excuses.. "I'm doing this for FREE"..I don't understand how many times I told him that in a way, you are not! I've given him $1000+ worth of NEW parts, Used parts, and Meterials.. And not to point out my efforts trying to help this guy. That alone I've spent well over 20-30 hours! And thats not an exaggeration.. He understood for short period of time when I put things in perspective... but same excuses emerges over and over.. as you could see what he posted here on the forum..
Please put yourself in my situation.. I wanted to help this guy, wanted for him to succeed, I didn't not take advantage of his FREE offer and I DID compensate him! I was patient and waited over a year to recieve parts he started in March of 2006 (All the parts I recieved, he started in march of 2006, I have pics and emails.. and no new parts were started after that.. maybe the mirrors, but that didn't even get converted and worse than what i sent thim.. It was BRAND NEW now its primed), Bought him more parts, gave him more money, I even settle to just get my parts back in time... NOTHING!! until 2/8/07!
So, those who think I don't have right to be pissed because you might of got things fine thru Jason, should know... Probably your parts are made from the CF I bought him... He used maybe 1 yard of the stuff I recieved.. I bought him 10 yards (360 inches x 50 inches).
And to be clear about another thing.. Some of you think I need to WORK things out with Jason Evans aka Sonix7.. Please, Tell me how I should work things out???
Read what has happened and you will understand.. I BEEN trying to work things out! Remember that over a year I kept this silent.. NO ONE KNEW!!! I think if I posted this back in FEB of 2006 (a year ago), i think most of you would of re consider sending your parts to Jason.. There will be NO working things out with him.. Why, I don't want to send a dime, parts, etc to Jason... What i recieved from him is underquality parts and I will go far as he ruined some of the parts.. I already asked him back last year about replacing and he did nothing.. Now the door panel swap BS>.. RIght.. I'll be sending that to him...
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