Black Magic

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I was thinking. What other engines would be cool to have in a FD,and the honda s2k crossed my mind.
---the s2k and the FD weigh very close to each other, s2k is 2800lbs. I am a honda man for life, so thats a key factor. Plus i have seen a few wrecked S2k's on ebay sell for 5-6k. Youll get the full wiring harness to the ignition,gauge cluster, all the good spots. the 4cyl will weigh less than a 13b or ls1. the exhuast is on the same side the 13b is, fuel lines ditto. IMO it has some potential, PLUS you can redline 9000 RPM, actually put the FD tach to some good usage unlike with a ls1.(6k redline )
---Only few things that i can think of that would oppose a problem is:
-what direction the driveshaft on the S2k rotates,,, that could be a problem if its the opposite of the 13b
-Oil pan and how it may or may not clear/line up with the steering rack
-overall height of the s2000 engine from oil pan to valve cover
-where the shifter will line up with the stock chassis hole on the FD chassis
unlike the LS1 swap, this swap will require the welding in of mounts, i can do that no problem, but wether it is reverible is the question. Im thinking it will not be, but it is my car.
Think how wild this thing would be on the road course, front end will be lighter than stock and i estimate it would pull a 14.00ish 1/4 wise, which are not my intentions in the first place.

let me know your thoughts and comments. thanks
-james

LT1-7

I think the only reason someone would even consider an S2000 engine is the weight. And seeing FDs are best known for there cornering and weight distribution, I don't see why someone would want to throw in and engine that is lighter. And not only that but then you'll have no power or torque so really you just converted an FD into a less performing car in every way

xfeastonarsex

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thats what I was thinkign. along with this...
too many parts in it. rotaries=simple and sweet

Black Magic

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DOHC VTEC,,,, fun and wont blown up after 4,000 miles no matter how bad you beat the **** out of it.

BTW a s2000 weighs 50lbs more than a FD and some people have netted 13.7's in a stock S2k,,, do the math. could be a easy 13.5 car with Intake header and exhuast. Like i said, main purpose isnt drag racing.

scathcart

Total step in the backwards direction as far as performance is concerned.
People have netted 13.2 on the stock engine, and intake and exhaust upgrades net much larger gains than they do on the S2K engine.

S2K engine is more resistant to user error, it is not more reliable.

rynberg

Nothing like spending a bunch of time and money to reduce performance....

Black Magic

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i would be happy with it, so thats all that matters honestly...

turbogarrett

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a ls1 can go more than 6k rpm. much higher with an upgraded valvetrain. i agree, the s2000 swap seems like a waste of time and more importantly $, but whatever floats your boat. now if you were putting this into a 1st gen, it might be worthwhile.

LT1-7

What did you expect? Everyone to like the conversion? If you like it then do it, come back and let people drool over it. BTW, a stock S2000 might have been able to run 13.7 but I bet most run mid to high 14's. I have friends that have them. Even with a supercharger one of my friends runs 13's. You could say it's the driver but go on S2000 forums and you'll see people running the same thing with a Vortec SC

Sponge Bob Square Pants

Exactly!
You can make far more power from a 13B, not to mention all the time and money.

Black Magic

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F-ck, i just got done writing this big *** post on how im buying another wrecked FD with a new engine and whatnot and putting it in my FD and the site wouldnt let me upload the pic of my baby and it lost all the text MF-er i tell ya

zenjoe

Sorry, I am a newby so I don't know everything.

To answer your question, the engine spins the same way as the Rotary so you won't have a problem there.
This is what I don't get. The FD has 255hp stock. the S2000 has 240hp stock. you want to spend 5-6K on an engine for 15 less hp? you should spend that money on a T51-R KIA Turbo kit and net yourself 500hp and 13.5 1/4s on bicycles tires! The power potential of the S2000 motor is nowhere close to what a rotary will do.

If you are a honda man for life, maybe you should get a honda. I think it would be much cooler to rear wheel drive an integra with the s2000 motor/trans than to stick one into an rx.

I am not flaming, just not understanding.

Black Magic

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bottom line, the rotary motor sucks. as for the honda's, i have 3 and one is a low 12s del sol.
As for my new powerplant for my FD, i just bought a ls1/t56 swap. 330 hp stock, 12.00 1/4's stock, 50/50 wieght dist. still, and oh, yeah no blowing of apex seals or weak sauce like that. Ill run 8 pSi with a custom turbo kit on the ls1 and make 550 hp and run flat 10s, still wont blow an apex seal or side seals or water gaskets that like to **** out because of the poor design.
the ls1 ownz!
amen.

turbogarrett

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oh boy, another one on the way!

Zio

You know what you remind me off, i met this guy at illegal street racing, i was talking to him about his skyline, and he told me how his car runs 9s running 35 pounds of boost on his standard engine with the standard computer, all cause he had an electronic boost controller 5 inch mandrel bent exhaust and a HKS sticker on the back.

If your idea was so great, more people would do it, but your gona learn it the hardway.

Black Magic

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hmm going from replacing engines potentially 1 or more times during a year to not having to worry about it whatsoever is a hard lesson to learn.

VinnieB

Theres a reason so many people ditch rotary engines.....

But how badly does an LS1 funk up weight distribution?

Is this just a drag car that you're building or what?

Black Magic

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eh, if i keep her stock ls1 she will run 12.00s for certain, but at the same time it still keeps 50/50 with the battery in the back. Some guy dynoed 290 RWHP which is like 30 less HP than the average LS1 (320-330ish) and he pulled a 12.1 i beleive. Hinsonsupercars.com has a weight breakdown, he even concluded that the LS1FD setup wieghs less than a stock TT FD. Also on that website he has videos of him Auto Xing, it handles just the same. the ls1's crank sits lower than the E-shaft of the 13b,, hence lower COG. Only downside i find with the swap is no 8500 RPM fun redline but, it makes up for it in any other area My main purpose currently is to get the car up and running with Ls1 power. Then, mid summer ill fab a custom turbo kit, same kit these guys made 520RWhp and 550 Trq with 8psi untuned.
It will be a great SCCA and 1/4 mile car. i cant wait!
-james

schwarzer ritter

you have it all backwards the only thing that should be in an rx anything let alone a 7 should be a rotary . the rotary is vastly superior to anything honda or chevy could create with an unlimited r and d budget and until the end of time. Don't get me wrong i like the s2000 alot just don't put any of its inferior parts on a 7 if anyting you should put a rotary in a corvette or an s2000 and on the fact of replacing engines i just think you can't drive and thats why you don't like the rotary but to each his own if you screw it up its your thing . I'm just sad you'd disgrace it in such a way YOU $%%^$^*%^**ER!!!!!

Black Magic

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ok lets now think about this LOGICALLY, we/i swap out the rotor engines for piston engines why? Because rotaries are just toooo reliable? NO, think about it, why would you want to make a very reliable car (vette) a way less reliable car and not to mention under powered car by putting a rotary in it?
Exactly, makes absolutly no sense by any means,,, now, putting that vette motor in the Rx7.. Lets see, Way more power than stock 13b, with a doubt can put 100k on the v8 without worries, the engines cost WAY less, they dont play thermal nuclear war like rotaries, and the list goes on. Basically it is the BEST thing one can do to a Rx7.
How many vette owners are on their 5th and 6th engine? Probably NONE except for the few reckless rednecks out there. How many rx7 owners are on their 5th or more rotary, yes ill run out of fingers and not to mention, toes.
How many s2000 owners are even on their second engine? probably less than five people total. The whole point of swapping a different engine (obviously a piston engine) into the rx7 is for reliability reasons. If the rotardly engine was soooo superior why dont they use it in more production cars these days? they do in the rx8 yes, but thats a flop, dynoed way less than claimed 250, and MANY have blown up already.
yes the rotary engine is a cool engine and belongs in the 7. yes the only internal moving parts are the two rotors, somtimes three and the E-shaft, but unfortunatly it just DOESNT WORK. Reliability and Rx7 never belong in the same sentance.
I dont know if you are indeed a FD owner or a Rx7 owner, but when you dump thousands into your 13b and it only last 4k miles, kinda makes you wanna see what your options are. Aside from rebuilding the damn thing a 3rd time. There are members on this board that have blown an engine before proper break in, sometimes in ONE WEEK.
Almost with 20 square miles from my house i know of 10 shops that work and build ls1 engines and piston engines alike. you know how many do rotaries? 0, none.
CA, TX, FL, and maybe somewhere east coast are the closest rotary shops. Even a newly rebuilt 13b is questionable, because the rebuild might not be spec-ed 100% perfect, you know what happens next? KA-boom. If a piston engine isnt spec-ed quite correctly, guess what, the damn thing will run and maybe use some oil. What do you prefer?
Bottom line the rotary is a great engine, but it does not belong in a production car. Mazda has the monopoly on all the poor saps that actually keep their rotary engines because mazda knows they will make BANK off all the problems they create.....primarily the engine itself.
P.S. when i get my car running ls1 powered, ill drive cross country, race you on track, 1/4 mi, whatever spank your sorry ***, drive home, actually make it home without needing a rebuild and still get 28 MPG that my freinds, is a true sports car.
-done

formerpistonluvr

Rotary engines don't suck they just lack the love the v8s have. Seriously, look at the amount of time put into developing high-displacement engines vs. the amount of time put towards rotary engines. If the automotive world put HALF the time into developing rotary engines that they put into piston engines do you honestly think we'd still have piston engines? I'm amazed that rotary engines are still around due to the curent auto market. People aren't looking to buy some "experimental untested engine" that hasn't been developed much (now I know rotaries aren't new or experimental or untested, but how many sport car buyers (keyword: BUYERS) know that?).

Give the rotary the same love piston engines get and then we'll talk about blowing apex seals .

That said, I'm a cheap college student and will probably end up driving an ls1'd FC cause I have friend's that get ls1s for cheap.

twint78

Nothing against you cuz of your piston conversion, Because I am doing one myself. But........... you sound like a jackass mag bench racer.

The Lingenfelter with 725hp (TTLS1) ran a mid 12. Not cause he or the driver couldn't drive. Cuz they probably spent no money toward traction. It ran the mid-12 at a 136mph no less though. Another thing I'm trying to point is your car isn't going to do **** until we see a time slip. Your car also will not make the same power just cause someone else's is. The point you made earlier, 290ish to the wheels and where as his was 320ish to the wheels. You ever hear of "Pray your engine was built on a Tuesday"? Until it happens all I can say is do like Hennessy, true racers on here, and I are doing, hope and pray that muthafucka does what it's supposed to do. Cuz you will kickin' yourself in the *** for blowing all the money for nothing. Damnit.

Black Magic

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bench racer? All my facts and info i get from real dyno sheets and real time slips from real people. NOT from magazines. That guy was a moron driving that 725 hp vette or he didnt grip(which, Hmmm did you read that from a mag, haha your a ***!) , ive seen 550RWHP vettes pull low 10s. BTW 136 MPH trap with traction is a low *** 10 maybe high 9 with a 1.4-1.5 60' .

IMO twint78,,, your a moron who doesnt know who i am or what i do, so STFU. ill see you at the midwest V8rx7 shootout if they have one and if you have Rx7 let alone v8 power. Watch for 550 RWHP pulling high 9s or damn LOW tens. MARK MY WORDS ON THAT. cuz its going to come back and bite you in the *** for trying to label me as some kid who doesnt know ****, LOL this forum cracks me up.

---on a more serious note, check out what the sol brought home for me!

twint78

TT vette as I pointed out. It was good for 10 sec. But could only pull a mid-12 because of NO TRACTION. Read jackass.

I don't give a damn about RX-7 meets rotary or piston. I do not associate myself just cause we have the same car or motor.

That's right all your facts are from OTHER'S cars. Not YOUR'S. As I stated above YOUR car is only good for what IT PROVES.

550hp is good for 10's what about the track? At one track it might run low 10's and other tracks it might only be able to run high 10's. How about altitude adjustments. This also plays a role in turboing.

And yes I did read the TT Vette thing out of a mag that was wrote by some bench racers like you." Oh, Oh, it's high 9, low 10 sec car." Guess your homo cousins that wrote that article got a surprise when it only ran 12.

Your post was very intellectual.

Black Magic

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if you dont associate with people that have the same cars like you,,, then why are you here? Why did you post? Hhmm Wierd. Also altitude plays damn near ZERO roll on a turbocharged vehicle, pressure is pressure.
its .63 psi atmospheric at my location, might be .24 by you, on naturally asperated cars, thats a BIG deal. Guess what on a turboed car? 12 PSI is 12 PSI no matter what. BOTTOM LINE.... You moron.

If you dont associate with people because you have the same car, you dont belong here, GOODBYE.

BTW your really starting to **** me off. Its apparent you dont know what you are talking about and you INDEED read magazines. **** son, i dont even have any car magazines. Cars like mine arent in magazines and when they are they have rotaries, and the mags are BS to boot, so i dont buy them.
My car will run what i say it will with Est. HP My cars always do because i know what i am doing. Just because you lack knowledge/driving skills doesnt mean you can take it out on other people(me) by saying my/their cars wont turn remotely close times to what others are.
Seriously are you daft? If i have my car setup indenticle to someones who run 10.00s.... same HP, suspension, weight, ETC. Your telling me MY car wont run a 10.00 +- a few tenths? WTF is your deal? i can drive really well, yes im cocky becuase i can be, so driving is not an issue. should we switch drivers, the 10.00 car driver cant turn a 10.00 in my car???
If i hear you say "everycar is different", im going to find out where you live and severly kick the **** out of you.
-----MODS lock this thread, im done-------