ZeroBanger

the only engine I would put in an FD other than the 13BREW is the renesis. The renesis makes the same power the S2000's engine does, but is smoother and weighs about 100 lbs less. Its also 1/3 smaller in size.

formerpistonluvr

Um, altitude does play a HUGE role in ETs, even in a turbo car. Although it IS compressing the same amount of air, the air as you get higher in elevation has a lower molar concentration of oxygen. That's right, there's less oxygen. That means, that for the same volume of air there are fewer moles of oxygen, meaning a smaller boom.

LT1-7

I think Magic is in for a real big surprise if he thinks a 550hp engine is the only thing he needs to propel a 9sec run

twint78

Wow it feels good to be right.

And if he thinks altitude ha nothing to do with a turbocharged car, he needs to talk to STS. With the behind the rear axle turbo. They are very high in altitude and even admit that they used something like 6 psi just to get dead even with naturally aspirated car sea level. Ouch!

Black Magic

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whatever you fools. brian hinson ripped off a 10.1 run with only 515 RWHP, ive seen a 10.4 video, slips, and dyno graph. If you dont like it, suck my *****.
Go play with your triangle powered engines.
-done

formerpistonluvr

no no no, see, I like the idea

Really, I like fast cars. Period. I love the rotary engine, but this kind of project is something I can do once (and for cheap, I have good access to many chassis and engines), drive around at college, scare the living daylights out of supras and FDs, get good gas mileage, and not have to worry about breaking it. And in the event that I do break it, I can get parts from any autozone to fix it. Rotary-powered something-or-other comes next tho, so look out .

rotarygod

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Here's another person that makes me laugh! I love humor on this board. Please keep writing (I'm serious!!!). It's funny! Especially when people don't know they are funny. That in itself is a joke.

I have found so much misinformation in your replies here that I seriously hope you are purposely trying to be funny. Well you are anyways so tough. Let's see where can I start? Oh yes how about your LS1 comment where you said that the LS1 crank would sit lower in the car than the rotaries eccentric shaft and therefore have a lower center of gravity. You're kidding right? You do know that the pistons, heads, connecting rods, valves, etc that all are higher up than most of the rotaries internals also have weight to them too don't you? Just because the crankshaft is there doesn't mean that the center of gravity is. Strike 1.

Rotary motor sucks huh? Hmmm. Refresh my memory here. What engine won engine of the year for 2003? What? It didn't have pistons! Oops must have been a rotary. People with rotary failures are those who up the boost with inadequate tuning. This will happen to any engine piston or rotary. Strike 2.

Altitude not play a role on a turbocharged car? Are you serious??? Tell you what, take your car to the moon and tell me how much power it makes. You are only 13.2 million feet high above sea level. After all altitude doesn't make a difference. You are still on the ground on the moon. The air is just MUCH thinner there than at sea level. Still not make a difference? I'll quit there. Strike 3. See ya!

I need more strikes so I'll just keep pointing out flaws. You are using an example of someone else who has a conversion done to their car and then saying that it still handles the same as stock. Have you driven it? Is it yours? It may appear on video to handle the same but how much work has been done to the suspension system. Surely someone intent on swapping to an entirely different engine would also do some hint of work on the suspension as well. Just because someone says it doesn't mean it is necessarily true. If that is the case my car makes 17000 hp at 34 rpms. Must be true because I said it. I'll even put it in writing.

You're comparing a much larger engine to a rotary. Don't even get into the displacement issue. No matter how you slice it you are comparing it to something much larger. I'll just stuff a Boeing 777 engine in my car. You're engine doesn't make that kind of power. Gas mileage? I'll just always drive down hill. See how dumb some arguments sound?

Thanks for calling US the fools. You're sense of humor really shines with this statement and you just made my day!

I have no desire to "suck your *****" since I am not gay. However feel free to be however you want. Thanks for the offer though. When the closet door hits you on the way out try not to enjoy it too much!

I will continue to play with my triangle shaped engines. I actually know how to build one. Thanks again for the offer! Sorry if you failed in this respect. Try to put some more effort in the LS1. It's a good engine so don't ruin it's reputation either. As a matter of fact just buy a Camaro. That's where they belong.

Doesn't it really **** you off that you can't **** me off!!!

BTW: You've said you are done with this thread several times so why do you keep posting? I'll give you a little hint: As long as you respond all pissed off, you are just entertainment for us so maybe you should cut your losses and actually stop this time. Don't rely on a moderator to do what you are too weak to do yourself. Have a nice day! Seriously!!!

LT1-7

So a rotary won engine of the year, that doesn't mean anything for an FD. But didn't Mazda rate there engines at 240hp and then went back and sent letters to all the buyers saying they over rated there engines 20hp+. That's proof right there that rotaries can't produce power at what it's even rated at. The LS1s are a totaly different story. Take an LS1 WS6 for instance. Those things are rated at 320hp and some people have even dyno'd it at 320rwhp all stock.

If power is what you're looking for than a V8 will more than satisfy you. All I'm saying is that a 550hp engine is not the only thing you need to run 9's. I mean it's a damn good start but don't be surprised if you hav eto work on other parts of the car to reach that goal. Just because someone else did something doesn't mean you can do the same and base your goals on someone elses experiences.

This thread makes it seem like I'm against V8 swaps but just look at my screen name for crying out loud!

luiml73

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If you guy's love the Lt-1 engines so much, then why don't you just buy a vette in the first place?

They're beautiful cars. How much lighter is the 7 anyway? I thought vettes where made of fiberglass,

Black Magic

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rotarygod,,,,how many engines have you gone through? exactly my point.

I know other aspects play a roll in making a car pull 9s, you guys just have to be difficult and point out everything little thing i didnt, because its the given or the obvious.

Vettes are tanks, 03 zo6 is 3400lbs. If this whole swapping of the v8 into rx7's is such a Horrible thing to do, then why are soo many people doing it? Wierd.

I like my 7 for its styling, interior styling, handling, rareness, but not for the unreliable engine it comes with. So, im swapping in a Ls1, il make sure to post HUGE pics and track times here for everyone to **** and moan about.

Funny how everyone talks crap about peoples dreams/ideas, then when those dream become a reality and stuff starts happening, they all shut up. You guys are all of bunch of computer nerds on this site that got picked on in school. I saw a post on here, like 90% were computer nerds. Since most of you dont know how to wrench on your own car i see it as pethetic of a sports car owner. Problem is you dont have pride, i work on everything of mine. I spraypaint the car, i swap motors, i do custom interior, I do it all when it comes to the car. theres not many people on this site that can say that. what you posted is what you beleive, not what you know/experienced. You my friend are a lamer, my GF even said you sound like a ***! hahaha.
yeah the ls1 has heads,valves, coils on top ETC, but the mass majority of the weight is the crank,rods, pistons. therefor a lower center of gravity, so dont get all pissy when i say the ls1's crank sits lower than the 13b E-shaft. Just to let you know, my ls1 swap came from just outside of houston, haha from your state! 2003 rotardly won engine of the year, NEWSFLASH its now 2004 who cares, plus im sure PISTON engines won all the other times.
IF the rotary was/is SOO great, why arent people swapping them into vettes or other cars??? cuz they are a running timebomb. If its was soo great, how come there arent more rotary powered production cars? see timebomb. If the rotary engines are underdelveloped and dont have as much R&D like piston engines, maybe thats for a reason? see timebomb yet again. Mazda brought out the Rx8, woo hoo, awe inspiring 180 RWHP, and guess what? its a timebomb too. I read of a few people blowing those engines already, stock too.

So ask yourself, what will last longer? a stock rx7 vs a stock vette? If you say rx7, you my my friend are indeed ignorant. I know pretty damn well that any stock 93 vette to this day still has the stock engine and still running strong. how many can say that about their stock 93 rx7?? Mine was on its 3rd motor before i said "enough" yeh, theres a few out there running strong, factory freaks apparently.

The 03 vette doesnt seem to blow engines mysteriously,,, although the rx8 does! HHmmm,could rotary be the cause? nah no way, not the beloved rotary engine! please,,, your ignorant, and im having a damn good time!

When i get my car done, we will see. Aside from anything else, i wont have to worry about my engine when i beat on it.

Im not pissed, i think its funny how you find this rotary motor soo flawless. Apparently you taught yourself to rebuild, becuase rebuilds are soo damn expensive, and no one works on them. Not a problem with the v-8. I should seriously try and start a Ls1 Rx7 vs 13b rx7 shootout. that will be the only way to prove anything and not hear somone bitch a fit becuase at that point, they cant do anything about the facts. Rotardly revolution in Indy is march 31st-april 2nd, you should come on up, a few v8-rx7's will be there, hopefully mine as well. back your **** up, drive your rotary powered rx7 here 1250 miles, think your car can make it both ways and race? HHHMmmm not feeling to sure about yourself right now, are ya? tell ya what, ill drive down to houston with my v8 rx7 handsdown, infact i would be delighted to do so. Considering i was there last weekend, the weather is nice down there.

Put the money where the mouth is, RR in indy 31-2
mar/april.....

BTW, since the MODs didnt lock the thread, game on!

zenjoe

black magic, it seems as if you are a quarter miler. you should get a oldschool vw bug. you put 200hp in the back of one of those you will be in the low 12's maybe high 11's. 320 hp be enough for mid 10's, 400hp will push you into single digits. That tops your numbers of 550hp in a vette. (These numbers come from a dyno day down in SoCal and Sacramento Raceway)

So why are we talking about about different cars again? I dunno, I saw a guy throw an 425hp lt1 in a bug and have it run 13's. I would stick with what is supposed to be in an rx, Putting a different engine in a car may make it different, but it was never designed for it. I know for a fact that an LT1 is way heavier than a rotary, the rotary is like 200lbs and I know that the SBC's are like 600lbs. I know that the LT1 is lighter, but how much lighter?

If you want to go with V8 power, go for it. But if you start saying that they are better than rotaries....on this forum...you are just being retarded. Why would you want to make the rx act like detroit steel with a v8, when a rotary is what makes the rx special. Hell if you want the car to handle great and get good gas milage and get down the quartermile, throw an aircooled vw engine in there. Fully dressed then engine weighs 130lbs, will make over 200hp NA, triple that when turboed.........

Black Magic

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VW engine? hahah, no. The LT1 engine is 60 some odd pounds more than a LS1. The LS1 completed swap into an FD, battery located in rear, no A/C weighs less than a stock TT rx7, and still maintains 50/50 distribution.
I do not like the rotary engine and do not have the time/money to keep replacing the damn things. I also hate the stress when driving it, i like to get loud and go fast whenever i want to. The rotary limits me in that aspect because im afraid to blow, 3 motors later, i said forget it. Not worth it to me, so i chose the next best thing. I love my Rx7 and would do whatever it takes just to be able to drive it again reliably. Hence the topic of this thread. BTW whatever it takes to make it run rotary-less. I cant stand that engine, upon seeing it pisses me off, all the time and money, stress, headaches, and bad times ive had with it.
I dont want a camaro, i want my FD with a V8 in it. I am not retarded in saying piston motors are better than rotary, that being said you are ROTARDED!
99.9% of the world drive piston powered cars and race piston powered cars. WHY? becuase they are the superior engine, if rotary was the way to go, you would see more of out there. I dont understand why you dont understand that simple logic. All you people on this board say the rotary is soo great, NO ITS NOT, IT FREAKING BLOWS UP ON A REGULAR BASIS. Yeah GREAT ENGINE SHE IS!!!!

I can understand why the rotary "belongs" in a rx7, thats not the problem. I myself understand why it doesnt belong in there as well, lol, i hate the F---er.

Ls1 FD is what it takes to make my baby sing again, at least now it wont sound like a pissed off bumble bee.

RX7WEEE

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got to a piston forum you are really pissing a bunch of people off take a look at this www.rx7club.com see what it says on the main page WORLD LARGEST ROTARY COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!!!! so find a diff forum oh yeah and what you said about people not begin able to turn a wrench look at my post. https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hlight=rx7weee oh yeah lets not forget the im only 16 and if i sell my other FD i will have over $25,000 of my own money can you say you did that??? EVER!!
i would flame alot more but its pointless with you, and i have carpoltunnel in my right hand.

Black Magic

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Hmmm, WWW.rx7club.com i own a 93 Rx7. yeah i guess it doesnt make much sense that i would be on here, considering i own a Rx7 and all. yeah cute story didnt feel like reading it, all that BS and look at your mods! stock twins, WEEE mad power! At least when i had my rotary it was cryoed, 3mm seals, wild street port, garret GT66 single, 3inch ecxhaust, and so on.
I built a civic hatch that sold for $25k, can you say you can do that? ****, not many people can do that with a honduh. Plus, i would like to see you get 25k$ for your Rx7, ive seen only a handful sell for that much, and they DIDNT have stock twins at a measily 10.5 PSI.
PLus your 16, im 5 years older than you are, you JUST got your liscence. So shut up and stop beating off, that will help your carpoltunnel.
If im pissing to many people off,,,il stop when the mods tell me to, i asked that this thread be locked a few posts ago, so dont say i didnt try or what have you.
like i said in the last thread, Put the money where the mouth is. I want to form a V8 Rx7 Vs 13b Rx7 shootout somehow someway over the summer. that would be the end all of all controversey. If my car gets walked all over my 13b-ed Rx7's then so be it, nothing i can say about it. Personally, i dont see that happening unless a group of 3-rotor 7's show up, even then, ill let them warm up and turn some laps. Somethings bound to break.

turbogarrett

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this thread is great! maybe we can get some input from riceburner1r2001?? mr burner where you at?

rx7weee, seriously, nobody cares about your money. get over yourself.

20B Junkie

This has to be one of the worst engine swap idea I've ever heard.

Evil Aviator

The mods locked the thread, game off, Warning #1 for your extensive use of foul language, personal attacks, assault, and trolling.

1) The mods do not read every post on this forum.
2) The mods are not your slaves.
3) You are a guest on this forum, not the dictator.