Steve Kan Tune-DYNO DAY oct 7-8 MINN. are you in?????
10-11-06, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by LUPE
Steve Kan is the man, you guys don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Let's see, ERIC CHEATHAM was here many moons ago and finally end up a GOOD GUY. I guess marriage does that to you, It helped JIMLAB, and KEVIN WYUM.
Jeez, I've been married for 40 years. I guess I'm a little CRAZY!
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10-11-06, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LUV94RX7
Look, I never said Steve was not competent. I think he is GREAT.
Ken
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Marriage is definitely a blessing.
10-11-06, 09:29 PM
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I have been at gotham enough to actully see what goes on. Steve does not work on cars He tunes them. Yes you guys might think he is a god about tuning and building cars but personally I think he is neither of those. I went threw motor after motor with my car. I believe it was 3 or 4 in less then a year and he couldnt tell me why. Everytime we would get on the dyno boom we would loose compression. It was one thing after another it really seemed like lie after lie but who knows. He was never straight forward with me. Seemed like he was holding something from me. After spending some 18+ Thousand dollars at gotham i said **** it im puting a V8 in my car. Havnt had a problem since I also get much better gas milage which I was told would be alot better because of steves tunning. Ha ya right. Alex was really the only one that seemed to care about my car and geting it done. Steve would be long gone doing whatever he does and alex would be at the shop working on my car till 2 am sometime later. I wish everyone could really see what he does you would think diffrently. I have been waiting for one of these threads to start forever.
Well Thats the end of my rant..
Ps steve you will never get another Dollar from me and you say Ihor lives in a **** hole? Please
Well Thats the end of my rant..
Ps steve you will never get another Dollar from me and you say Ihor lives in a **** hole? Please
10-12-06, 01:15 AM
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I was actually with joe aka kyro when he first went down there to pick up his car and i actually bought a car from steve which i completely regret. Not to mention joes problems i bought this car from steve that was overpriced some exterior parts were original color some werent, the car was pulling wierd vacuum when i got it and mechanically he said that everything was tip top, and the motor blew a few thousand miles after that. In general the car was just really sloppy there is a whole list of other things that i could write but that would just be a waste of internet space. I am going to say he sold me a car and completely mislead me because i wasnt completely in tune with the rotary motor and i am not saying it was his fault because i actually should have investigated the car more thoroughly.
And for his shop when i was there i really did not see him do much at all compared to the countless late nights that Ihor, Alex, and chris were there wrenching away when steve was not there or at the shop but not in the garage. So i think everyone should not jump to conclusions on how great steve is because he is a very sneaky man.
And for his shop when i was there i really did not see him do much at all compared to the countless late nights that Ihor, Alex, and chris were there wrenching away when steve was not there or at the shop but not in the garage. So i think everyone should not jump to conclusions on how great steve is because he is a very sneaky man.
10-12-06, 10:36 AM
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Joe,
your car was a ringer. We were having problems after problems on your car. The first time the seals lose compression. I believed it was around the time we had two other engines failed on low compression short after. This was the time when Mazda switched to the 2 pcs 2mm seals. After talking to a few engine builders who also had similar experience, it was concluded that mazda must have a bad batch of seals in that time frame. At that point, you wanted to upgrade the seals to 3mm, which we did but you wanted to try other seals (RA seals). We installed those on your car, we also changed the turbo manifold design since I was also concern with the amount of heat causing the seals to fail and the only thing we charged was just milling the rotor. You also wanted other upgrades at the time as well so we did those for you. When we went tuning on the dyno, seals were losing compressions again. This was before we start hearing RA seals have issues with heat and could lose compression for high boost applications. I also notice that your OMP wasn't working either while on the dyno which could also attribute to the compression issue. We got the car back from you, replace the seals again this time and dyno the car. Compression was good and no signs of losing compression. Since then, you have been driving the car. several months later, you called and said you were driving the car and took it to a car wash or something and the car started running weird afterwards. You said that you were not boosting when it happened so the only thing I could think off was something electrical must have happened but we never root cause the issue since this was when you decided to do the ls1 conversion.
As for you saying that all I did was only tuning cars and not stay up late working on cars at the shop. Each and one of us have our duties, My responsbility was to tune cars and build engine. Alex was to take care of phone calls and invoices. mechanics were to work on and upgrade cars. We can't all work on each other's responsiblies or things will not get done and no one will know what's going on. It adds more complications. The weekend that you came to pick up the car. It was the same time Matt from AZ came to pick his car up. We were having problems with your car while tuning earlier that week when seals were losing compression. We had the engine pulled out, replace the apex seals, and you put more miles on your car and I tuned both you and Matt sat night. I stayed until 1am tuning both you and Matt's car. I was having problems tuning Matt's car earlier that day because it would detonate at higher rpm. That was also my first stage 3 engine in his car and I thought maybe it was caused being too aggressive. I compensated his car with a different timing method and was okay for the rest of the tuning. I then tune your car that night while Matt was following us . After the tune, I think you went to alex's place afterwards but later that night, matt's car experience problems with the car and called me up at 5am in the morning. I ended up going back to the shop at 6 or 7am, Matt came back to the shop. I pulled the engine out by myself that morning while you guys were sleeping (matt and his friend were there). Found out that one of his side seals were stuck for some reason. I had it fixed and repair the engine. I called up alex and told him what happened and I told him I was very tired and needed sleep so have one of the mechanic put the engine back in and I'll check it out on the car when I get back from sleep. this was around 12pm on sunday. I got a call at 3pm from matt saying that nothing is getting done on the car and I should come back. I came back, got the engine installed in his car. Started the car at around 8pm or so, and looking for possible issues that may cause the problem. This was when I realize that the timing was off by 20 degrees on his car using a timing gun. His car was running a PFC so there were no timing adjustment. It turns out that the trigger sensor wires were backwards (+ in - and - in +), someone must have pulled the connectors out and had the pins backwards when inserting them back in. that flew the timing off by 20 degrees. It wasn't something we caused by we ended up fixing his motor at no cost. I think at around that time, you came to the shop and said that the engine was having problem starting, we checked the compression and found out it was low again. We pretty much called the week after going through 4 engines that week between you and Matt's car. This was when you rode back home instead of driving it back with alex.
Does it sound right to you joe? I'm sorry that the engine didn't work out on your car, We have fixed everything we can and isolated everything I could think off that could cause the issue. Sometimes, there's always one or two of those ringers that no matter what you do, there's always a problem with it.
your car was a ringer. We were having problems after problems on your car. The first time the seals lose compression. I believed it was around the time we had two other engines failed on low compression short after. This was the time when Mazda switched to the 2 pcs 2mm seals. After talking to a few engine builders who also had similar experience, it was concluded that mazda must have a bad batch of seals in that time frame. At that point, you wanted to upgrade the seals to 3mm, which we did but you wanted to try other seals (RA seals). We installed those on your car, we also changed the turbo manifold design since I was also concern with the amount of heat causing the seals to fail and the only thing we charged was just milling the rotor. You also wanted other upgrades at the time as well so we did those for you. When we went tuning on the dyno, seals were losing compressions again. This was before we start hearing RA seals have issues with heat and could lose compression for high boost applications. I also notice that your OMP wasn't working either while on the dyno which could also attribute to the compression issue. We got the car back from you, replace the seals again this time and dyno the car. Compression was good and no signs of losing compression. Since then, you have been driving the car. several months later, you called and said you were driving the car and took it to a car wash or something and the car started running weird afterwards. You said that you were not boosting when it happened so the only thing I could think off was something electrical must have happened but we never root cause the issue since this was when you decided to do the ls1 conversion.
As for you saying that all I did was only tuning cars and not stay up late working on cars at the shop. Each and one of us have our duties, My responsbility was to tune cars and build engine. Alex was to take care of phone calls and invoices. mechanics were to work on and upgrade cars. We can't all work on each other's responsiblies or things will not get done and no one will know what's going on. It adds more complications. The weekend that you came to pick up the car. It was the same time Matt from AZ came to pick his car up. We were having problems with your car while tuning earlier that week when seals were losing compression. We had the engine pulled out, replace the apex seals, and you put more miles on your car and I tuned both you and Matt sat night. I stayed until 1am tuning both you and Matt's car. I was having problems tuning Matt's car earlier that day because it would detonate at higher rpm. That was also my first stage 3 engine in his car and I thought maybe it was caused being too aggressive. I compensated his car with a different timing method and was okay for the rest of the tuning. I then tune your car that night while Matt was following us . After the tune, I think you went to alex's place afterwards but later that night, matt's car experience problems with the car and called me up at 5am in the morning. I ended up going back to the shop at 6 or 7am, Matt came back to the shop. I pulled the engine out by myself that morning while you guys were sleeping (matt and his friend were there). Found out that one of his side seals were stuck for some reason. I had it fixed and repair the engine. I called up alex and told him what happened and I told him I was very tired and needed sleep so have one of the mechanic put the engine back in and I'll check it out on the car when I get back from sleep. this was around 12pm on sunday. I got a call at 3pm from matt saying that nothing is getting done on the car and I should come back. I came back, got the engine installed in his car. Started the car at around 8pm or so, and looking for possible issues that may cause the problem. This was when I realize that the timing was off by 20 degrees on his car using a timing gun. His car was running a PFC so there were no timing adjustment. It turns out that the trigger sensor wires were backwards (+ in - and - in +), someone must have pulled the connectors out and had the pins backwards when inserting them back in. that flew the timing off by 20 degrees. It wasn't something we caused by we ended up fixing his motor at no cost. I think at around that time, you came to the shop and said that the engine was having problem starting, we checked the compression and found out it was low again. We pretty much called the week after going through 4 engines that week between you and Matt's car. This was when you rode back home instead of driving it back with alex.
Does it sound right to you joe? I'm sorry that the engine didn't work out on your car, We have fixed everything we can and isolated everything I could think off that could cause the issue. Sometimes, there's always one or two of those ringers that no matter what you do, there's always a problem with it.
Originally Posted by Kyro-2
I have been at gotham enough to actully see what goes on. Steve does not work on cars He tunes them. Yes you guys might think he is a god about tuning and building cars but personally I think he is neither of those. I went threw motor after motor with my car. I believe it was 3 or 4 in less then a year and he couldnt tell me why. Everytime we would get on the dyno boom we would loose compression. It was one thing after another it really seemed like lie after lie but who knows. He was never straight forward with me. Seemed like he was holding something from me. After spending some 18+ Thousand dollars at gotham i said **** it im puting a V8 in my car. Havnt had a problem since I also get much better gas milage which I was told would be alot better because of steves tunning. Ha ya right. Alex was really the only one that seemed to care about my car and geting it done. Steve would be long gone doing whatever he does and alex would be at the shop working on my car till 2 am sometime later. I wish everyone could really see what he does you would think diffrently. I have been waiting for one of these threads to start forever.
Well Thats the end of my rant..
Ps steve you will never get another Dollar from me and you say Ihor lives in a **** hole? Please
Well Thats the end of my rant..
Ps steve you will never get another Dollar from me and you say Ihor lives in a **** hole? Please
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10-12-06, 12:15 PM
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Alex,
The car you purchased from me was a bone stock CYM. I sold it to you for $15k with 67k miles on it when the going rate on the CYM back then was around $19-$22k. I bought it that way and fixed alot of the issues which include replacing all injectors, replace the turbo and left it stock. I only put 300 miles on the car since I owned it. I break even with the car after all the fixes I did. I don't think there was a problem with vacuum since I did do a compression test on it prior of you purchasing the car. There were some suspension issues along with some exterior issues like you mentioned but you saw the car before purchasing it and I asked you a few times if this was what you want for sure? After you decided to buy the car, you wanted upgrades. PFC, exhaust and one or two other things I don't recall. I also changed the map on it to support the mod you upgraded but I don't remembered that weekend if we ever tune your car or not since I was having too many things happening that week. I mentioned it to you that the car will sold AS-IS if you start modifying it. I didn't build the motor so I had no idea what the condition was and I mentioned to you that a CYM is worth more keeping it stock than to start modifying it. Last I remembered was that the engine blew after you put the midpipe on the car. I remembered I asked you if you upgraded anything and this was what you told me. Anytime when you add something, it will change the a/f ratio and could potentially run lean.
I even offered to help fix the engine for you eventhough I told you I couldn't fix it for you for free but it will be cheap. That was the last I heard from you and you never called since.
For those who are still reading all these drama. I wanted to point out that we did have some issues with some of the Ex-mechanics at the shop. Some may be good at what they do but have serious attitude problems. Some were poor at what they do and ended up screwing up some work that we ended up repairing later at the shop. At the end, we don't just blow away anyone that has issues with us. as for comments on some of my mechanics, I have some that consistantly tells my customer that "its a rotary engine, it's gonna blow up" everytime when my customer was picking up a car. It brings down my customers confidence level and also brought up questions on our ability to perform our work. Those were some of the reasons why they no longer work with me. Ultimately, Alex and I and the shop are responsible for anything that comes out from our shop and we will do whatever we can to satisfy our customers.
We do have a hand full of people out of hundreds of cars that came out of our shop that we consistently have issues with. I can probably name all of them since last I counted, it was around 5-7 of them but at the end, we try our best to work with those issues and some of which, we were sucessful while a few left was not.
As for Ken's car (luv94rx7), One of the issues that we brought up to him was his electrical wiring and engine harness. We told him that we may run into problems in the future if they were not replaced or fixed. Ultimately, it comes down to the customers decision on if they wanted repair/replace. The problem he currently has now was an injector connector that has an intermittent connection causing one rotor to come in ON and OFF. This was verified while debugging on the dyno. I already talk to Ken and has sent him some new injector connectors to put in and I'll pick his car up to check on any other electrical issues that he may have now that he understands why I brought it up to his attention during the build up. We will continue to work on his car until we met his goal.
The car you purchased from me was a bone stock CYM. I sold it to you for $15k with 67k miles on it when the going rate on the CYM back then was around $19-$22k. I bought it that way and fixed alot of the issues which include replacing all injectors, replace the turbo and left it stock. I only put 300 miles on the car since I owned it. I break even with the car after all the fixes I did. I don't think there was a problem with vacuum since I did do a compression test on it prior of you purchasing the car. There were some suspension issues along with some exterior issues like you mentioned but you saw the car before purchasing it and I asked you a few times if this was what you want for sure? After you decided to buy the car, you wanted upgrades. PFC, exhaust and one or two other things I don't recall. I also changed the map on it to support the mod you upgraded but I don't remembered that weekend if we ever tune your car or not since I was having too many things happening that week. I mentioned it to you that the car will sold AS-IS if you start modifying it. I didn't build the motor so I had no idea what the condition was and I mentioned to you that a CYM is worth more keeping it stock than to start modifying it. Last I remembered was that the engine blew after you put the midpipe on the car. I remembered I asked you if you upgraded anything and this was what you told me. Anytime when you add something, it will change the a/f ratio and could potentially run lean.
I even offered to help fix the engine for you eventhough I told you I couldn't fix it for you for free but it will be cheap. That was the last I heard from you and you never called since.
For those who are still reading all these drama. I wanted to point out that we did have some issues with some of the Ex-mechanics at the shop. Some may be good at what they do but have serious attitude problems. Some were poor at what they do and ended up screwing up some work that we ended up repairing later at the shop. At the end, we don't just blow away anyone that has issues with us. as for comments on some of my mechanics, I have some that consistantly tells my customer that "its a rotary engine, it's gonna blow up" everytime when my customer was picking up a car. It brings down my customers confidence level and also brought up questions on our ability to perform our work. Those were some of the reasons why they no longer work with me. Ultimately, Alex and I and the shop are responsible for anything that comes out from our shop and we will do whatever we can to satisfy our customers.
We do have a hand full of people out of hundreds of cars that came out of our shop that we consistently have issues with. I can probably name all of them since last I counted, it was around 5-7 of them but at the end, we try our best to work with those issues and some of which, we were sucessful while a few left was not.
As for Ken's car (luv94rx7), One of the issues that we brought up to him was his electrical wiring and engine harness. We told him that we may run into problems in the future if they were not replaced or fixed. Ultimately, it comes down to the customers decision on if they wanted repair/replace. The problem he currently has now was an injector connector that has an intermittent connection causing one rotor to come in ON and OFF. This was verified while debugging on the dyno. I already talk to Ken and has sent him some new injector connectors to put in and I'll pick his car up to check on any other electrical issues that he may have now that he understands why I brought it up to his attention during the build up. We will continue to work on his car until we met his goal.
Originally Posted by kurrupt999
I was actually with joe aka kyro when he first went down there to pick up his car and i actually bought a car from steve which i completely regret. Not to mention joes problems i bought this car from steve that was overpriced some exterior parts were original color some werent, the car was pulling wierd vacuum when i got it and mechanically he said that everything was tip top, and the motor blew a few thousand miles after that. In general the car was just really sloppy there is a whole list of other things that i could write but that would just be a waste of internet space. I am going to say he sold me a car and completely mislead me because i wasnt completely in tune with the rotary motor and i am not saying it was his fault because i actually should have investigated the car more thoroughly.
And for his shop when i was there i really did not see him do much at all compared to the countless late nights that Ihor, Alex, and chris were there wrenching away when steve was not there or at the shop but not in the garage. So i think everyone should not jump to conclusions on how great steve is because he is a very sneaky man.
And for his shop when i was there i really did not see him do much at all compared to the countless late nights that Ihor, Alex, and chris were there wrenching away when steve was not there or at the shop but not in the garage. So i think everyone should not jump to conclusions on how great steve is because he is a very sneaky man.
10-12-06, 01:10 PM
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I've had enough of this thread thanks to the hijacking that has happened.
Ken (Luv) started this event in order to coordinate services with an off-site contractor. If you are not involved with either the coordination, or the participation in said event of 10/7-10/8 I don't understand why everybody who has had nothing to do with this is feeling the need to "contribute". Start your own thread to discuss whatever issues you have with Steve.
Ken (Luv) started this event in order to coordinate services with an off-site contractor. If you are not involved with either the coordination, or the participation in said event of 10/7-10/8 I don't understand why everybody who has had nothing to do with this is feeling the need to "contribute". Start your own thread to discuss whatever issues you have with Steve.
10-12-06, 02:20 PM
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Well steve it was one thing after another and I did every upgrade you told me to do so I figured it would work out great! Man was I wrong kinda felt used like you just wanted more money out of me? Which you sure did get! Like i said before i spent atleast 18 Thousand dollars there and what do I have to show for it? NOTHING. If your that worried about customer satisfaction id say i was a pretty good customer and im not satisfied at all..
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Originally Posted by pluto
Alex,
The car you purchased from me was a bone stock CYM. I sold it to you for $15k with 67k miles on it when the going rate on the CYM back then was around $19-$22k. I bought it that way and fixed alot of the issues which include replacing all injectors, replace the turbo and left it stock. I only put 300 miles on the car since I owned it. I break even with the car after all the fixes I did. I don't think there was a problem with vacuum since I did do a compression test on it prior of you purchasing the car. There were some suspension issues along with some exterior issues like you mentioned but you saw the car before purchasing it and I asked you a few times if this was what you want for sure? After you decided to buy the car, you wanted upgrades. PFC, exhaust and one or two other things I don't recall. I also changed the map on it to support the mod you upgraded but I don't remembered that weekend if we ever tune your car or not since I was having too many things happening that week. I mentioned it to you that the car will sold AS-IS if you start modifying it. I didn't build the motor so I had no idea what the condition was and I mentioned to you that a CYM is worth more keeping it stock than to start modifying it. Last I remembered was that the engine blew after you put the midpipe on the car. I remembered I asked you if you upgraded anything and this was what you told me. Anytime when you add something, it will change the a/f ratio and could potentially run lean.
I even offered to help fix the engine for you eventhough I told you I couldn't fix it for you for free but it will be cheap. That was the last I heard from you and you never called since.
The car you purchased from me was a bone stock CYM. I sold it to you for $15k with 67k miles on it when the going rate on the CYM back then was around $19-$22k. I bought it that way and fixed alot of the issues which include replacing all injectors, replace the turbo and left it stock. I only put 300 miles on the car since I owned it. I break even with the car after all the fixes I did. I don't think there was a problem with vacuum since I did do a compression test on it prior of you purchasing the car. There were some suspension issues along with some exterior issues like you mentioned but you saw the car before purchasing it and I asked you a few times if this was what you want for sure? After you decided to buy the car, you wanted upgrades. PFC, exhaust and one or two other things I don't recall. I also changed the map on it to support the mod you upgraded but I don't remembered that weekend if we ever tune your car or not since I was having too many things happening that week. I mentioned it to you that the car will sold AS-IS if you start modifying it. I didn't build the motor so I had no idea what the condition was and I mentioned to you that a CYM is worth more keeping it stock than to start modifying it. Last I remembered was that the engine blew after you put the midpipe on the car. I remembered I asked you if you upgraded anything and this was what you told me. Anytime when you add something, it will change the a/f ratio and could potentially run lean.
I even offered to help fix the engine for you eventhough I told you I couldn't fix it for you for free but it will be cheap. That was the last I heard from you and you never called since.
ANd yes you did offer me to help me out with the motor but still a thousand miles away or shipping the motor all the way down to texas was extremely unpractical for me to do considering i live 1000 miles away from the shop. And it didnt help that i felt sour against you because the motor did blow after such a short period of me owning the car.
Also, the fault of this is on both of us, that car was extremely used almost to the point where i wanted to part out the whole car because i was that mad. There are some things that you could have told me what i now know about the car like the pretty good repaint that the fenders had which i did not notice or you telling me when i was there buying the car and the very small details for example the undercarriage being actually stiched up for some reason.
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