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Old 06-29-08, 01:55 PM
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Question HBP starts and then dies,HELP please

okay im having trouble starting up a HBP fresh rebuild motor,compression test results were 120psi front 119 rear,im getting spark and fuel so i guess that everything that i need to start the motor is there.Right?When i crank the motor after putting some oil in the chambers it comes to life for around 10 seconds and then dies,i tried to keep it alive playing with the throtle but wont work at all.I took my plugs out to see if it was getting to much gas but the spark plugs were clean and they didnt smell like gas at all(weird cuase the motor started for a couple seconds so gas was getting to the chambers)Here is the map that im using,motor is running stock ignition sistem(FC coils and CAS)FD IAT and TPS,680CC primaries and 1680 secondaries,fuel pressure is set at 38psi,any ideas?

Idle Map
Screen 1

30" ~ 1.38
25" ~ 1.48
20" ~ 1.33
15" ~ 1.71
10" ~ 1.71
05" ~ 1.62
00" ~ 2.00
2-20psi ~ 4.95

Load Map
Screen 3

30" ~ 0.95
25" ~ 1.19
20" ~ 1.33
15" ~ 1.71
10" ~ 2.14
05" ~ 2.57
00" ~ 2.86
2psi ~ 2.2
4psi ~ 3.2
6psi ~ 3.8
8psi ~ 4.4
10psi ~ 4.9
14psi ~ 5.5
16psi ~ 5.9
18psi ~ 6.5
20psi ~ 7

RPMwot Map Screen 17

5000 ~ 05
5500 ~ 08
6000 ~ 08
6500 ~ 10
7000 ~ 11
7500 ~ 11
8000 ~ 11
9000 ~ 12

The rest are zero

RPMcrs Screen 18

1000 ~ -12
1500 ~ -11
2000 ~ -12

THe rest are zero



Pump Map
Screen 19

Pump2Start ~ 2000
Pump1Amt ~ 00
Pump1Pulse ~ 04
Pump1Trig ~ 18
Pump1Stop ~ 00
Pump1Adv ~ 05

Pump2Time ~ 10
Pump2Amt ~ 30
Pump2Trig ~ 16
Pump2Stop ~ 00
Pump2Adv ~ 05

PumpDwell ~ 3.00
PumpTimers ~ No
Pump1Sync ~ No
PumpSpare ~ 00
PumpCold ~ 00

Water Map
Screen 20

-25 ~ 0
-17 ~ 70
-9 ~ 60
-01 ~ 50
05 ~ 45
11 ~ 45
18 ~ 42
24 ~ 34
31 ~ 26
38 ~ 24
46 ~ 19
60 ~ 12
68 ~ 06
82 ~ 0
99 ~ 0
124 ~ 0

Air_t Map
Screen 21

-25 ~ 0
-17 ~ 8
-9 ~ 6
-1 ~ 5
5 ~ 4
11 ~ 3
18 ~ 3
24 ~ 0
31 ~ 0
38 ~ 0
46 ~ 0
60 ~ 0
68 ~ 0
82 ~ 0
99 ~ 0
124 ~ 0

Crank Map
Screen 22

-25 ~ 72
-17 ~ 72
-9 ~ 72
-1 ~ 67
5 ~ 62
11 ~ 57
18 ~ 50
24 ~ 41
31 ~ 31
38 ~ 26
46 ~ 20
60 ~ 15
68 ~ 5
82 ~ 0
99 ~ 0
124 ~ 0

t*rpm
Screen 23

Idle ~ 00
1000 ~ 10
1500 ~ 15
2000 ~ 20
2500 ~ 25
3000 ~ 25
3500 ~ 25
4000 ~ 25
4500 ~ 25
5000 ~ 25
5500 ~ 25
6000 ~ 25
6500 ~ 25
7000 ~ 25
7500 ~ ??
8000 ~ 25
9000 ~ 25

t*map Map
Screen 24

Idle ~ 00
25 ~ 05
20 ~ 04
15 ~ 03
10 ~ 02
05 ~ 00
00 ~ 00
2psi ~ 00
4psi ~ 00
6psi ~ 02
8psi ~ -04
10psi ~ -06
14psi ~ -10
16psi ~ -12
18 psi ~ -16
20 psi ~ -20

t*air Screen 25
Correction value Is expressed as number of degrees you wish to advance or Retard to the Ignition curve and values Is set at zero.

t*gap
Screen 26

0500 ~ 15
1000 ~ 15
1500 ~ 15
2000 ~ 14
2500 ~ 12
3000 ~ 10
3500 ~ 10
4000 ~ 10
4500 ~ 10
5000 ~ 10
5500 ~ 10
6000 ~ 10
6500 ~ 10
7000 ~ 10
8000 ~ 10

t*Inj Map
Screen 27

0500 ~ 120
1000 ~ 150
1500 ~ 150
2000 ~ 150
2500 ~ 150
3000 ~ 150
3500 ~ 150
4000 ~ 150
4500 ~ 180
5000 ~ 210
5500 ~ 210
6000 ~ 240
6500 ~ 240
7000 ~ 270
8000 ~ 270
9000 ~ 270

t*wat Map Screen 28


ANd the rest are zero

Option Map
Screen 30

Af_StE ~ 10
Dwell ~ 3.25 *set at Time Base - not at Duty Cycle*
REVstg ~ 1320
MAPstg ~ 02"
%stg ~ 50

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Put your mixtrm to 10% and see if it comes alive.(put a bit of oil again). does it run one or two rotors when it starts?
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i did put mixtrm to 10% and it comes alive for a couple of seconds everytime,you can hear that runs in 2 rotors but is like it runs out of gas or something,when it starts rpms go up to around 1000 and then it just dies
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is your ignition barrel playing up?
is microtech staying on?
can you do a small datalog on the microtech software so i can see exactly what its doing.
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let me double check all the above mentioned and then i will get back to you,thanks buddy
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one thing that i forgot is that my stock voltemeter is only reading around 12 volts and 11.97 at the microtech and when i crank the car it goes down to around 8.5,could this be the problem?another thing is does the microtech need to come on when the ignition is on the on position or just by turning the key to accesories?
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what is the voltage while the car is running?

you might have to turn your idle up, since you said it goes to 1000
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Originally Posted by joeylyrech View Post
voltage with the car running i really dont know cause the motor dies like in 10 seconds but before i did the microtech install it was around 12v(S6 alternator) all the time,i was told that it was suposed to be around 14 volts,my s4 na reads 13 volts all they long so im thinking about using the S4 NA alternator and see if that fix my charging problems
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i guess that my problem is fuel related because i sprayed starting fluid on the intake and it starts right up but if i stop spraying it the car dies,so maybe my pump is only working when i crank and dies when the car starts or the injectors are wired backwards,well let me find out
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well the motor let go,im so ******* lucky,got the car to idle and it pop a seal around 3 grand,lost compression in the rear rotor.
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lol. who the hell built the engine for the seal to let go on free rev?
i think i pmed you a while back about seals and you said you were happy with the seals that you had....
pm. ive got some specials going.
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really i have no idea what happen to the motor,it lost compression on the rear,there is not even a slight puff coming out of the hole is just plain dead,not a single piece of seal when thru the turbo exhaust blades(they look new)so im taking the mani of and im gonna inspect the damage,is weird cause i have no compression in any of the 3 faces and that only happens when apex seals go kaboom but like i said no damage to the wheels
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just cause apex seals go kaboom dosnt mean they will be in turbo. like i told ya before. get a real seal kit. stop wasting your time with mazda hurley what ever it is that your using.
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