Tournapart

iTrader: (4)

well i own a 91 vert and a 83 supra. i know that it isnt a MK3 like youve guys have been comparing but just driving the both of them first gear seems to be about a match but once i get into second the supra doesnt pull as much and so on. i love my supra but i think that the rx is faster just by being lighter. new the supra has 163HP and i forgot how much TQ, and i know that the RX new had 160hp at 7K and 140lbs at 4K. the supra is like 3500lbs and the rx is somewhere around 3100? i use the rx as my daily but the supra is getting striped down the the body and built back up. going for a rebuilt 7MGE N/A swap and im going to do a complete custom turbo job.

Tournapart

iTrader: (4)

i dont care much for mitsubishi's myself

myexlex

400rwhp gets most rx7 coupes to 11's. over 500 and your knocking on 9's door, if not hitting the 9's. With 500rwhp you are trapping 130+

MaxDuo

Agh, such heat.


I'd think the n/a RX7 would be very good to start out on. It's not gonna be awesome in the straight line w/o a lot of work but it'll still be nice for the corners. I love driving my T2. I barely feel the turns in it even when going fast compared to other cars.

No experience on the Supra...

300zx I like though. My friend has a n/a 88 model. Well, it's his neighbor's but it belongs to the ex wife and the guy doesn't like having it around so it pretty much belongs to my friend for now. I've not drove in it, only rode... But I can definitely feel the weight in turns. I know people say the 7 handles far better than it, but it still seems nice in the corners to me. Also though his has an afm tranny more geared for acceleration and a racing clutch in it... It's pretty fast in a straight line. Not quite as fast as my T2, but it's not too far behind. I really like the car though, is pretty nice. I hear they're HELL to work on though.

importsown

Well i glanced through this thread and read mostly TII to Supra turbo comparisons.

I got a bone stock 88' gx with only cats removed and 40k kilometers and a new crate motor. My buddy as approx the same mileage on a rebuilt N/A 88 supra. This is probably the closest comparison possible, me gaining a few extra horses with cats removed, but i had a little added weight (passenger, sub box, etc). I have driven both cars, and my opinions are completely unbiased, even me owning an rx-7.

HANDLING

No contest. I can drive my car faster and harder on super skinny winter tires and feel safer doing it then in my buddies supra with his nice wide performance tires. Even if he does have the torque to pull it harder out of corners, AND a limited slip diff, im already out of the corner when he starts to accelerate.

STRAIGHT LINE SPEED

Fairly close, to my suprise. The Supra would definately win as soon as you hit a hill, thanks to its higher torque. Althought i have never dragged him before, I would say that the rx-7 would win. It would be close, but my money is on my car. His supra would take alot longer to hookup, and the 2nd gear accel on my car is just so smooth that I believe thats where it would gain the distance on the supra. By the end of the quarter mile I believe the supra would be gaining though.

TOP SPEED

From the book, my cars top speed is ~140mph. That seems about right to me. I have only done about 105-110 mph in my car, as the road I do it on I need to focus on my breaking (feels like im hovering above 80mph on winters :P) The supra would probably excel in this category but I have no way to tell.

OVERALL OPINIONS

My car: I love my car and probably am a little biased. But overall my car feels more sporty and just on the handling alone I would take my car over a supra. The 7's are just so light and nimble. And I can easily chirp winters in 2nd so thats always cool too. Plus 2nd gear is just sex for me in my car lol. Esp if u only start 2nd @2500rpm and just pin it.

Supra: Definately a more comfortable ride, tons more features standard. But its heavy as a house. I do like the torque they offer, and the grunt when u get into it at lower rpms. Do sound kind of whiney up past 4krpm to me... Plus my buddy has put 1.5x the money he paid for the car fixing it shortly after buying it (numerous problems, including head gasket, valve cover gaskets, etc.). The supra was a well designed car, until you open the hood. Come on... cant even remove valve covers without spending at least an hour taking the intake manifold off? thats just stupid. I understand why they designed it like that (lower center of gravity) but there must have been another solution.

Theres my opinion, as unbiased as humanly possible.

MaxDuo

You said as unbiased as humanly possible but also said:



Looking at this again I remember something. A guy that sometimes hung out with the SC RX7club was talking about how he drove some turbo 4 cyl car a while back and while it was as fast as his Supra, he would rather be in the Supra itself because when he took the car up to 150mph it felt like he was going to die. But in the Supra he said he felt perfectly safe doing it.

So.... Something else from me in my lack of anything to say on Supras? Hehe.

JWteknix

iTrader: (2)

dude my friend has a RHD s15 silvia and drives it around no problem the only thing is it takes mad long to register . and by the way i love my 88 tII

Cosmo_TT

iTrader: (11)

ok you are the one who just said your friends 88 vert beat a 95 n/a 300zx
but then you bring up a chart showing the Z is 2 full seconds faster stock for stock
and everyone is comparing all these non-turbo cars and you all put the 300zx in last place yet it is faster than both the supra and rx7 if they are all non-turbo

bmwrx7man

iTrader: (2)

common supra and 300zx are madd heavy cant compare their handeling with a rx7 on the straits there faster but that becuase there not rotary

Gino

im sorry, i just found that was the funniest quote...you might want to change that to the Z31...or would you like to see videos of my car against my fathers (srr) FC TII vert...

as for the handling, of course the RX7 will handle better than both the supra and the 300zx. Considering it has a near 50/50 weight distribution, is smaller (more nimble) and lighter. Stock the 300zx has a tendency to understeer (Which can acctually be good if you know how to drive) but with the right suspension set up the 300zx can acctually be turned into a fairly neutral handeling car..,i cant remember where, but there was a thread on some british board about a 300zx completely smashing a local tracks records. The records were all previously held by highly modified skylines, and a 300zx completely demolished the times...

it would be ok to compare the turbo Z31 to the FC, but not the Z32...especially not a TT Z32...

shadow7

iTrader: (3)

you mean you have a gxl with a turbo engine in it right

tjeter

No, in other countries they have different names for the FC's, the GT-X is a turbo model if i remember correctly.

SayNoToPistons

iirc all Jspec FC's were turbo'd stock even the verts. it just depends on what option that came with so they called it different names.

Eternal_Gamer

iTrader: (10)

Theres FC's with 13b engines running 7s. 10.0 on full interior, and this was back in 2001. I have a link: http://www.rx7.com/racing/content/times.html. The FC is slower than the 300zx stock for stock, but when its modded, it becomes a very fast car. A big Turbo on a Rotary engine is FAST!. As for the Supra, it is the slowest one, but if its the jdm 2.5 TT then it can go fast as well.

radfordVR4

here are some #'s from The Best of the Best*:


0-60
¼ mile
60-0
Skidpad
Top Speed

SVX
7.2
15.4
112
.92
144

RX-7
5.0
13.7
110
.98
163.0

Supra
4.6
13.1
115
.98
160

300ZX
5.0
13.7
116
.95
165.0

NSX
4.5
12.9
111
.94
171.7

3000GT
4.8
13.4
115
.95
159.1 (not my top speed lol)
"http://www.autolove.com/Editorial/japanese_supercars.htm"

Little known facts:

Subaru’s SVX was only offered with an automatic transmission as they had no manual shifter that could handle the engine’s torque. They later developed one that is used currently on the WRX.

Mazda’s RX-7 with it’s 1.3 liter turbocharged engine, has a 196 hp/liter ratio that is one of the highest ever for a production car (remember the magical supercar mark is regarded as 100!).

Toyota’s Supra has an actual horsepower rating of 326 in the American version and without its 155 mph limiter, the car would climb to over 170 mph!

Nissan’s 300ZX was also known as the Japanese Corvette and is regarded by many as being the second best Z ever built, behind the original 1970 240Z.

Honda/Acura’s NSX has a super light all-aluminum body frame that weighs a scant 462 lbs with doors, hood and deck lids installed (about a 40% reduction in weight over steel)!

Mitsubishi’s 3000GT has mid-engine styling that goes beyond mere looks. Between 1995 and 1999, Mitsubishi produced a limited number of two seat mid-engined GTO’s (Japanese name for the 3000GT) that were sold in Japan only as the GTO MR. The mid-engine layout didn’t improve acceleration (as the car uses an AWD layout), but greatly increased the car’s handling abilities at the limit. No exterior styling enhancements were needed for this change in the powertrain’s location.

radfordVR4

you could just settle this argument by comming to the clash of the titan meet https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.ph...=1#post7783178