MARTIN

You guys a hypocritical, if another motor was available for the rx7, like the RE, then you would be posting it up and down this thread. The fact of the mater is, that yes the supra did come with a 1jz, even though it was in japan, but it is still called a supra, not a similiar model that they changed the name like the silvia and 240, but it was called supra, just like it was called an rx7 across seas....

Rx-7ninja

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Doesn't look like he lives in Japan to me.

rarson

Not legally. Once again, the NHTSA is your friend, and the key to filling your vast knowledge void.

By the way, it only takes one period to end a sentence.

No, they don't import them because it's not legal. Refer to the link I mentioned above. As stated before, a JDM version of a car is NOT equivalent to a similar USDM version (OMFG it doesn't matter if it's got the same name as the US car!!!1! OMG ROFL). And THAT is why YOU guys are missing the point. Because we're talking about cars based on performance, and what is readily available in the US (since that's where most of us live). If you wanted to talk about the 1JZ, you should've introduced it as a motor swap option, not spouting off about how the JZA70 is better because it had a 1JZ in it... because it DIDN'T.

By your argument, I might as well say a 92 Mirage kicks *** because I can stick a 4g63 in it. The Mirage was a POS in the US.

MARTIN

First of all you are a dumb ****, many RHD fc's have been imported and documented, in other words they got LEGALIZED. So STFU and stop giving information that you think is incorrect. THis guy has a s15 silvia and 2 Skyline r33 GTr running around florida along with like 3 RHD fc's all documented. He said it took about 2-4 months to get it done, but the quickest were the fc's because they had model introduced in the us. If cars that were never sold here can be legalized, then wat makes you think that a car that is sold in the USA cannot be imported from another country???

rarson

Don't be stupid. If you're going to sling insults in an argument over facts, at least LOOK around on the NHTSA's web site, and see if you can find the list of cars that are legal to import. There is no gray area on this law. If a car is not on the list, then you CANNOT legally import it for use on public roads, period. Simple, isn't it? Now go look at the list and see if you can figure out the ONE RHD car that is on it. I'll give you a hint: it's the Skyline.

By the way, I didn't "give information I though was incorrect" (whatever the hell that means), I simply corrected an individual and then posted a link to the government website where said individual could check the facts out for themselves. Had you yourself done that, I wouldn't have written this post.

rarson

Here, took 3 minutes.

AkumaKuruma

what does a list of legal import cars have to do with importing an ENGINE? theyre using USDM cars (MA70 and MA71). only the engine and ECU are different. all you have to do there is get it registered to comply with emmisions control. it CAN be done. I knew someone who legalized a Porche that wasnt ANYWHERE on that list. mostly modifications to the emmissions control systems on the car.

that list is more of the cars that you can bring directly over with ease...not the ONLY ones allowed (unless it is registered as DENIED by the NHTSA)


and for the RX-7 Guys...there WERE FCs with 20b's in them...but mazda only made about 3 and were never sold.

and if you wanna argue that....Supra guys...remember that a 2JZ can be put in a MKIII with relative ease (only very minor modification).

ultradef

I'll drive my FC and you can drive your Supra. They're both great cars, and each have their strengths and weaknesses.

AkumaKuruma

now THATS a proper outlook....to each his own

domyalex

Ah! There is the whole point!
I have very good friends that drive FC and we love it when our 300ZX friend join us. The car are very different but it's awesome to hang around togheter and share experiences.

The sad point is that all of our cars get owned (in a drag race) by our friend's Sentra B13... *sighs*...

Gotta love those SR20 in a ligh weight chasis.

Enjoy your car! That's what matter the most!

RETed

Dude, don't be calling me a moron.
The MA70 / JZA70 nomenclature was brought up cause of year / model designations.
I didn't mean to imply the JZA70 == JDM 1JZ Supra ONLY.

Don't me giving me crap about engine swaps.
I do 20B FC's.
So you're going to bitch to me when I can build a 500hp 20B FC cause it's just an "engine swap"?

I really don't care about the 1JZ.
The 1JZ is one of those "pipe dreams" a lot of Supra owners talk about; it's about as same as the 20B into an FC / FD.
I am looking into a 7MGTE Cressida.
Don't assume what I know and don't know - you'd be surprised what I know about Supras and 7MGTE's.

Hmmm...now you can't take your own medicine cause you got no smartass comeback to my reply on the fuel cut?
You should've quit while you were ahead...


Oh bullshit.
"Gray market" doesn't count.
"GI" imports don't count.
Toyota USA has never officially imported a 1JZ Supra into the U.S. through it's retail dealer network.
Care to prove me wrong?


-Ted

RETed

Dude, you ain't in Japan.
Unless your profile / location is wrong...


-Ted

RETed

Dude, calm down.
You're talking about gray market imports that skirt the normal retail distribution channels.
Technically, if the DOT / EPA gets wind of those cars, they can all be impounded.

No Silvia is legal in the U.S., according to the DOT.
No Skyline is legal in the U.S., according to the DOT - did you know MotorEX got busted for importing the Skylines???

Most of the RHD Japan vehicles you see driving around are brought in by military shipped through military channels that slipped through customs and DOT eyes.
I consider these "gray market" imports - borderline illegal.
There's a bunch of 240Z, 1G RX-7's running around down here - all confirmed shipped from Japan through military.

I think you need to read up on vehicle importation laws in the U.S.


-Ted

RETed

I thought it was two, and they were test mules.
I don't consider them "available".


-Ted

MARTIN

I see s4,5, and 6 rx7's on the list. Also the oldschool fairlady and one skyline... plus there are exceptions. I dont see whats the big deal. This thread just got sidetracked. We are here talking about what cars can be imported and wat not, and about the 1Jz against the 7m and all he wanted to know if an 86 n/a is good for his younger brother...

torean

this happenes all too often around here.....i guess its safe to assume he only wants to know about USDM cars...i'd say go for it.....NA FC would be a fun first car....assuming his bro just got his license..but who knows.....his bro might be one of those honda fans and opt the civic

AkumaKuruma

V-TEC y0!!!!!

zoonwen

86.5 n/a were alittle faster then the newer n/a's and lighter also. If he ever wants to upgrade to a 7mgte, motor sets are prettly cheap.

HoangRx-7

rarson

Ted, I don't know if that happened prior to Motorex becoming a registered importer or not. Safe to say though, that Motorex IS the only company that is legally allowed to import Skylines into the US, as they are currently the only legit RI.

Taken off the list I linked to:

"Vehicles that have been determined eligible for importation are assigned a vehicle eligibility number. All eligibility numbers are for left-hand drive motor vehicles except where right-hand drive (RHD) is identified after the model. While there is no specific restriction on importing a right-hand drive vehicle, these may not be imported under eligibility decisions based on the existence of substantially similar U.S.- certified left-hand drive vehicles. Our experience has shown that the safety performance of right-hand drive vehicles is not necessarily the same as that of apparently similar left-hand drive vehicles offered for sale in this country. However, we will consider the vehicles "substantially similar" if the manufacturer advises us that the right-hand drive vehicle would perform the same as the U.S.-certified left-hand drive vehicle in dynamic crash tests. Absent such a showing, the RI would have to demonstrate (through a petition) that the vehicle, when modified, would comply with all applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards, including those for which dynamic crash testing is prescribed."

Motorex actually crashed 5 of them or so, which is why they are allowed to legally import the Skyline. Note that elsewhere in this document you will read that the Skylines must be modified for use by an RI (Motorex) and I believe they would not be allowed to import them without modifying them. I do know if you're bringing one though to the states yourself, you can contact Motorex and ship it to them, and have them deal with all the regulatory stuff. I've heard of many instances where people have tried shipping RHD vehicles to the US only to have them impounded or crushed when they arrive.

There are always exceptions to the rule, and in this case, these rules don't exactly apply if you're importing the vehicle for off-road purposes only. I am sure that you cannot legally import and drive on public roads any RHD car other than a Skyline, once it has been modified by Motorex.

EJayCe996

Sooo uhhhhh, i thought this was about choosing between a 80s Supra, rx-7 or 300zx... i think i missed something???

Node

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300zx the most styled? thats by far the ugliest car of the bunch

supra and s4 rx-7, and then s5 rx-7 just kills all in looks....but thats my opinion and i have a fc so......


but im sure many will agree the z31 is a ugly fuckling.

anorexicpoodle

Interesting thread, i figure ill chime in cause i own a FC and a JZA70, and just for reference, after riding in a few stock-ish FD's my JZA70 (stock fuel stock turbos no boost control 311rwhp) would wax most FD's still on stock turbos. And that is with my supra on stock turbos. As far as the interior goes, the FC is purposeful, there is nothing unnecessary (no digital anything except the clock) wheras the supra has lots more gizmos, like power seats, automated climate control etc. The cars have a slightly different focus. the TwinTurbo R JZA70 is a far better comparison, and in performance is is somewhere between the Series 5 turbo and the late FD's Its easily as quick as the FD, and much faster then the FC, but weighs signifiganly more then the FD (even though the R is the lightest one ~3300 lbs i believe).

Oh and dont dismiss the JZA70 as something that you wont encounter, As post 89 in japan that engine completely replaced the 7M in all cars the 7M was sold in. moreover the swap has become quite popular since i did mine over 2 years ago.

As far as handling goes, the FC is like a go-kart, its fun to toss around like a corolla, whereas the supra is a brute force approach, lots of power and lots of grip. I will say that even though i drive my FC daily i still feel that ultimately the my supra has a more positive feel handling wise. I will attribute that to the level ive modded it though so that is largly a moot point.

George84

I like the 300zx 87-89 body style almost as much as I like the RX-7. I really think the 300xz with t-tops looks sharp, but if I had money to buy anouther 80's GT or sports car I would try to buy a 1983 280z turbo with a 5-speed and t-tops with the digital option (I will get ahold of one someday).

Whizbang

i would like both a mkIII supra and my 7's. i like my 89ish fastbacks. want a porsche 944 also...