that's true all the guys claming 250k motors don't realize that those are the one's that make no power and are relegated to daily driving use.

There have been rotaries breaking the 200k and 300k mark so, if the exception defines the norm, then rotaries must be bulletproof too!

 

FWIW the new civics have been winning like mad on the NASA circuit, BUT they are factory sponsored.They have been the highest finishing FWD in every race entered so far. I do some service on the 06 civicSI, and they beat the hell out of that little 4 banger for 24 hours straight without any issues besides who is going to drive. After the race it's gets new plugs, oil and a filter and off to the next race. Car has just over 3000 race miles with out any problems.

 

now thats some honda reliability
ive always thought they get their internals swapped once so often...guess not

 

I dont understand what you are tryin to say... for every rotary that you find that actually has 250k miles with no rebuild, I can show you 100000.... **** you cant even compare, everyone and their mother knows that honda reliability> rotary...

And socal, I happen to own an fg2 and they arent the fastest cars, but I love it. Love the forged rods...

 

Need parts, let me know. cheaper than ANYONE. BTW how you like my k24 mod in my avatar? Beats the factory alarm!

 

It doesn't matter if you disagree with me or not. Look up the definition of sports car. A Camaro or Mustang isn't considered a true sport's car.

You want sports car, get an RX7. Or a Corvette. Or a Viper. Or a GT40(I think).

I'm talking definitions. Just because you can make a car perform similiarly, does not make it what it isn't. Like I said. My turbo-charged Nissan 240sx isn't a sport's car. Even though it'll hang with my C5 through just about any kind of driving. IT'S STILL NOT A SPORTS CAR!!!



Reon: Thank you for saying exactly what I was trying to get across to people. It's not about belittling a car. It's about being honest about a car's definition. Too many people don't get that. Great you can make it fast. More power to you. But don't call it what it's not.

 

when you say I'm rich and spoiled that is far beyond the truth. I think that my family being wealthy is a blessing. I got the car for 11k with 75k on the chassis. I live in a hick *** town in Texas. Live in a medium sized house. Pay for most of my mods, gas, repairs due to me working every summer and all the money before owning the car.

My argument wasn't that the civic is a reliable, easy to mod car. It was about the owners. Ya I'm not going to blame them for having a cheap car to mod. I'm not bashing them at all for that. I'm bashing them for the negative attitude they bring with it. I know some people with civics that are really cool and I can respect them.

I am not competing with n/a honda's. This dude keeps spending his money trying to beat me. He is competing with me. I don't feel superior cuz of the money spent. I feel superior because the car that I own, the FD, is basically ranked as the top Japanese sports car ever made. Maybe that's why. You can keep your opinions on what music I listen to to yourself. That shows how mature you are, your probably 25-32 years old, bashing a 17 year old. Lmao! Do you think in the hick *** town I live in their are any cars to go up against. Not really. I don't even like racing. I try to stay safe.

I don't want to bash you MARTIN but I think the stress that I receive from the FD is well worth it. If you can't respect a true sports car for it's worth then why would you have ever owned one?

You know if you don't like being on rx7club you can just not ever get on.............just something to think about.

Seeing as that I created this thread I think it has gone from something very simple and blow up way out of proportion. So mod's I know you are probably sick as hell of seeing it, therefore feel free to close it.

 

A "sports car" is (according to Merriam Webster online):

a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving

I admit, factory civics aren't sports cars. But I was saying they can be modified to be all that, just like your 240. I guess what you're trying to say is a civic is not a sports car by definition, therefore it can never be as worthy as a 7/viper equivalent.

What you're saying is "its still only a civic". Yes.

 

^I think he was referring to the different classes of sports cars. I've heard it before but don't know where to find the list. Like he said, even Camaros and Mustangs aren't in the same class as an RX-7, and that's not just my opinion, that's according to the classes, or so I've read.

 

+1, very well said.

 

+1

lesson learned: don't automatically stereotype civics and their owners **** for the car they chose to modify

 

Right, and those 10000 engines you show me, will all make **** power. Even honda can't make an engine that has decent power and lasts long. The point was not that rotaries are reliable, for the most part, because of bad tuning, they're not, since they are more sensitive to tuning than the piston engine. The point is that you can't have an engine making decent power and lasting 300K+ miles like these honda owners love to tout.

This is especially apparent in the my piston engine is better than rotary engine arguments. They love throwing the my 7.0L corvette engine makes so and so power, and my little honda engine lasts a gazillion miles. Big whoop, you've compared an engine designed for power and an engined designed for reliability with an engine designed to try to do everything. When your vette engine lasts 300k miles and your 300k honda engine makes impressive power figures (hp/liter does not count in this case), then maybe there's a point to that argument.

You can only mod an engine for extreme power or extreme reliability. Can't have both unless you have two engines.

 

How do you mod an engine for reliability?

I think it goes

Reliable
Cheap
Fast

Pick 2.

 

my reason for the title "gay civic" like I said before wasn't so much intended for the car it was intended for the "gay" and negative attitude that the owners have.

I could tell ya'll another civic story of mine. But this thread has had enough. I think I have proved my point in the previous post.

 

and if you don't think i live in a hick *** town. look here
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en...42915&t=h&om=1
Centered on my house. On 1409. The yellowish white road that goes back to a big dirt business. Right across from that to the left of 1409 is my house.
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en...t=h&iwloc=addr

Zoom out and look at all that green. **** I'll even show you the road that I normally race on.

Road 686 After the S curve

idk, y im showing yall this. I just found it and thought it was neat. lmao

 

are you kidding me? Compare how many pasess @ the track can a rotary live through, with how many a honda motor can... **** the tuning bullshit, people build 12:1 comp turbo motors and they last long as ****. You make it seem like the rotary is the best motor out there. I'm a rotary lover @ heart, but you canot honestly tell me that this motor is the best out there. Its inefficient, gets horrible mileage and its unreliable.

How long would a 500whp rx7 last? 1 year with casual abuse??? go to k20a.org and see what people are doing with these honda motors and see how long it lasts.. You get all the power and still retain driveability. BRAP BRAP BRAP is cool, but not in rush our traffic...

 

You missed my point. Thankfully, speedjunkie got it.

It has nothing to do with being 'worthy'. It has everything to do, with understanding what your car's identity is. You can make it as fast as you want. It's now a super fast, super handling, econo car. I can make my 240sx out-handle, and out-power a corvette. But it'll just be a super fast sports COMPACT.

My RX7 and my Corvette are sports cars. If you check with insurance companies, you'll also see the difference.

That's all I'm saying. I'm not shitting on Civics. Frankly, I like some of the hatchbacks I see around San Diego. When they're done right. But they are a small minority, to all the coupes and sedans that are riced the hell out, then think they can keep up with anything wearing a pair. It's the ricers, who need to learn, they do NOT have a sport's car.

I don't know how I can be anymore clear on my point though. I've tried to be as respectful, and as clear, with my points as I could be. This isn't based on opinion, but on actual fact.

Time for a group-hug. Too many hard-feelings from simple misunderstandings. And if group hug, is too metro-sexual for you guys. Then how about this.

 

woo what a thread
too much drama

some of you guys are crazy. lol.
who cares what a sports car is! stop arguing on the forum! go out and drive or wrench or whatever!

 

^Hey dammit, I wrenched for a few hours before posting last night! lol Swapping out the suspension bushings...funny, it has NOTHING to do with the unreliable engine! lol

And as far as the "**** the tuning bs", I think we can give Steve Kan a call, and several of his customers. It's funny how people think tuning doesn't matter, when it means oh-so-much to a rotary.

 

Yes it does. That's exactly what it means now STFU!

 

you miss the point entirely. The point is you can't have power with reliability, once you start modding with power, you lose reliability. Nothing about rotary or piston. I would not believe a modded k20a with high-comp pistons and an increased redline could last 50k, 100k, 200k unless it were babied. I know of a 242 whp CRX with 14:1 pistons with an 11k redline running 11's NA. A great feat, but the thing barely lasts 20K before the engine blows. That's the only thing I've seen up close and personal, so that's what I've based my opinion on. I've never seen a high comp motor last as long as a properly maintained daily driven rotary. Nor have I seen a large port rotary last as long as a properly maintained piston engine.

If you want to talk about the unreliability of race engines, the classic example is the 1991 Le Mans. Mazda's 787B was in second place for the majority of the race, until the first place car blew it's engine. A piston engine blowing allowing the rotary to win it's one and only 24h of Le Mans before the rotary was banned. Poetic justice if you ask me. When talking about race engines, (not modded street engines), I wholeheartedly believe rotaries have the advantage over pistons. Look at Star Mazda series, where the sealed units last not only one season, but years. This is a series where motors get revved to 15 grand for over an hour continually. I don't really know of any piston pro race series that don't rebuild their engines after every race.

I concede that in the current state, there are many engines more reliable than the rotary, and there are many engines more powerful than the rotary as well. However, I think the unreliability stigma comes from Mazda's crappy factory tuning and the aftermarket's lack of understanding of the engine. Mix in a few bad tuners and everyone starts believing the hype. Fortunately, I know of a few good tuners who don't blow engines while tuning and their stuff lasts for a good while, and with increased power. You just gotta know who to go to.

Lol, it's really funny when my friend sees his 240SX insurance and his car is listed as a "sports sedan"

 

I find it funny how you compare a Mazda-built hatchback to $80,000+ Vipers, and $60,000+ Corvettes. I guess if you say it like that, the RX-7 is the civic of that category (everything else in that category is fast out of the box, and you need to mod the living hell out of your car to meet or exceed those factory cars). You even need to swap motors like Hondas to even keep up w/ your LS series aluminum blocks and cast iron V8's. I admit those are sweet and I'd own one in a heartbeat, but is that not that truth?

You bash about how a cheap *** Honda tried to race you or gets on your nerves when then buzz by fast. Viper and Vette' owners say the same thing about your cheap *** Mazda trying to race them or buzz by. Its okay for you to talk down, but when others try to, you say your car is worthy. Really fair right?

Also, if any of those real sports cars got the twin turbo treatment your FD had from the factory or is modded, you can say goodbye to them forever, in a straight or on a track. Look at cars like the Hennessey Viper www.henesseyperformance.com, the Accufab Ford GT www.accufabracing.com, the Lingenfelter C6 www.lingenfelter.com, the Livernois Mustang www.livernoismotorsports.com, and the MTI Pontiac GTO www.motorsporttech.com.

I love my rx7, but the RX-7 is FAR, FAR away from this class of cars.

 

Steve Kan, that's who. And from what I hear they get better gas mileage afterwards too. That dude just seems to be the man, I can't wait to get mine tuned by him.

Also gotta love the 1991 Le Mans race, haha.

 

Did you even read the post? He's not saying the RX-7 is as good as those cars, it's a fact that as far as sports car classes go, the RX-7 is ranked with those cars. That's not a list WE made up, and although I'm not sure who comes up with those lists, the fact remains it's still true and not something we're making up. I'm not trying to be mean but damn, please read.

 

YOU, are an idiot. Lets take a look at 1992 shall we? The first moments when the FD hit the shores of the U.S. At the time, Corvettes were limited to around 300hp, and 6spd options had just come out several years before. Price tags for them were running right around 40k for a fully loaded one. A ZR-1, which was the top of top sports cars for it's time, was double that, but we're not talking about the ZR-1. The base model, 6spd corvette. It was VERY comparable to an FD. The FD was lighter, which offset the horsepower difference between the two cars. But both were, and are to this day, sports cars.

Also, you can STILL buy a new Corvette for around 40-45 thousand dollars. Of course now, they have 400hp, and are considerably improved over their older bretheren. I wonder what the price tag of the FD was when it came out? I'm pretty sure it was in the 30's, if not 40's range just like the Corvette!

So get your head out of your *** and know your car history before you start mouthing off like a noob!

By the way. I'm a Corvette owner. That's right. I also own an FD. And a turbo Nissan 240sx. When I see an FD on the road, I have much respect for it. I start wondering what kind of mods it has. Hell I know a ton of Corvette guys who love the style of the FD. But then again, they are true car enthusiasts. I run with 30 different Corvettes every month up in the mountains. Some are boosted, some are sprayed, and some running big cubes. I've never been chased away when offering to bring the FD to see how it would do. So if you're going to criticize people about something, make sure you don't show yourself to be a hypocrite and do the same thing.