Finally, someone that understands. If only discussions could be discussions, and furthermore debate. Not just an all out flame war & insults.

 

lmao! This is hilarious. Kukri comes in after all this fiery argument and still calls the civic gay.

Actually I would have to disagree with calling a 400+ hp turbo b16 gay. That means he has alot of money. Nothing but respect for that. He beat a LS1, respect.

We should all know the difference between a gay civic and a respectfully civic. I'm sure if you talked to that owner Kukri he was really nice and respectful, correct? But all the other kinds of civic owners are the ones with car's that are sub-par.

But I am also sure, that, a 400+ hp turbo b16 isn't as reliable as the FD. Was the engine originally built for a turbo or that much hp. No. So therefore you must do alot of engine work or else it would not be that reliable. Unless you put alot of time and money into it, doing it the right way, and that is what earns respect. I bet it wouldn't get as good as gas mileage as the FD though.

Well except for rx-7henry, I bet if he had a 400+ hp civic he would wreck it as soon as the race was over because he would be trying to roll down the window and talk **** to you about how you got beat by a civic, then rear end a innocent driver traveling at 120+ mph.

But more for the "sports car/ non sports car" argument. Look at this, straight from the wikipedia! Well it would be more like, straight from honda.


Honda road car timeline, 1980s—present v • d • e
1980s 1990s 2000s
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Kei car: City/Jazz Today Today Life Life
Subcompact: City City City/Logo Fit/Jazz/City
Compact: Civic Civic Civic Civic Civic Civic Civic
Ballade: Ballade Concerto Domani
Mid-size: Accord Accord Accord Accord Accord Accord Accord Accord
Inspire Inspire Inspire Inspire
Full-size: Legend Legend Legend Legend Legend
Coupé: CRX CRX del Sol Insight
Integra Integra Integra Integra
Prelude Prelude Prelude Prelude Prelude
Sports: Beat S2000
NSX
Mini SUV: HR-V
Compact SUV: Element
CR-V CR-V CR-V
Crossover: Passport Pilot/MDX
Compact MPV: Edix/FR-V
Stream Stream
Minivan: Odyssey Odyssey Odyssey
Pickup Acty: Ridgeline

 

Thats sucks to here. Hopefully you beat him second time around. I know a bunch of Honda folk & almost every one of them would gladly trade their beloved rides for an LS-powered FD. I frankly don't know what car nut wouldn't.

 

This thread is frustrating, but projectredsuns just defined the Type R Honda's as sports cars. You may have not wanted to, but by saying this you're calling a Honda Civic Type R a sports car.

This thread annoys me because what makes a sporty car isn't the definition given at the factory. And actually calling a car a sports car doesn't make that car any better. Many of you seem to feel as though because the RX-7 is classified as a sports car that it makes the car better. It doesn't. "Sports car" is just another term that us humans use to categorize things. It reminds me of the ricers that put Type R stickers on their cars thinking it makes them cooler. Just because the RX-7 is a sports car by definition means nothing in physical reality.

 

Last week I killed 4 cars from my lot:
1) 1995 Corvette auto (60K original)
2) 2004 GTO auto (close race-torque is king!!)
3) 2006 Civic coupe auto (wanted to see/waste more gas)
4) 2002 Mustang GT auto (waste of time)

Mods in sig. Like I said, this thread made me want to have fun with a variety of cars on my lot.
Next up is:
2005 G35 coupe (6sp)
2007 Lexus IS250
2003 BMW 330i (5spd)
2002 BMW 325ix (auto AWD)

Just to give the luxo cars some love.

 

Then this thread must be crawling with them.


I don't, but maybe now, we're all playing cards with your brother's kids.

I agree, and Rx-7s get respect all over the automotive world, whether its Hondas, Nissans, Chevys, what have you. It's just that some of the rotary heads don't seem to have respect for anything else.

 

I have respect for alot of other cars, just not too many Hondas. I guess most of that stems from them getting riced out. I actually have a 97 Prelude too, but I don't pretend it's something it clearly isn't. Nor would I do that with a Civic, or any other Honda than probably an NSX. I don't really care for alot of cars that normally get riced out, but there are cars I love just as much as the FD though.

And for the record, I don't call handicapped people retards, I call them handicapped. The only people I call retards are people that are clearly not handicapped but have a lower IQ than a mentally handicapped person. Take that as you will, lol. I'm sure with your line of "logic", you'll be able to spin it into something. But retards seem to do that alot, lol.

Myself, rynberg, JustinStrife, and several others have tried to tell you but you don't wanna hear the truth so I'm out.

 

Yeah I am, but do I care no. Would I go buy it just because its a sports car NO. Same thing goes for any sports car. I got into RX-7s for one reason and one reason only the rotary motor. I would love to take the motor and throw it in crazy swaps like a old school 280z datsun or a have a 3 rotor delorean. flux capacitor

And your right calling it a sports car doesn't make it better. What makes it better is it being a great car. Whether it goes brap brap or boing boing.

 

Kinda annoys me as well.

But it really annoys me when people are hypocrite's. What I mean by this is, when you say that "'Sports car' is just another term that us humans use to categorize things"...isn't "better" and "cooler" terms that "us humans use to categorize things"? But therefore your saying there is no true definition of "better" or "sports car"?

BTW, ricers put that there to make it seem/compare their car is/to a sportier car. You may call them "posers".

Sports car is a class of car.

I do believe that judgment is in the eye of the beholder. Which is why it is quoted that "ask 5 different people the definition of a sports car, and you will get 5 different definitions" but tell me, when you look at a Honda s2000 you see a "sports car" correct? When you see a civic, even an Si with a VTEC, do you think it compares to the s2000's pictorial and performance definition of "sports car"? I don't think so.

Their is one flaw that everyone is overlooking. "Sports car" is two words. Therefore each word has a separate definition. By webster's online dictionary "Sports" is defined as "an individual exhibiting a sudden deviation from type beyond the normal limits of individual variation..." Basically "beyond normal limits" sums it up.

Could sports be considered "high performance"? Well that leads me to "high" which by definition is "advanced in complexity, development, or elaboration". Also "performance" defined as "the fulfillment of a claim, promise, or request". Combine the two and you see that performance fulfills the expectations of advanced complexity".

And well car is defined as "a vehicle moving on wheels".

Combine it all and you get "Sports car"-[high](complex, advance development)[performance](fulfilling request)[vehicle].

Now bring it to the cars in discussion. The 93-95 Mazda Rx-7 is described by wikipedia -"The third and final generation of the RX-7, FD (with FD3S for the JDM and JM1FD for the USA VIN), was an outright, no-compromise sports car by Japanese standards." For you who will go to wikipedia do not say that it is a coupe as described. It refers to the FD as a coupe for body style purposes.

It also states that "The sequential twin turbocharged system was a very complex piece of engineering, developed with the aid of Hitachi" . Wow, do I see "complex" and "developed" in one description of the key element to the build of the FD (sequential turbocharger system). YES I DO. Oh and not to mention the rotary engine.

For those who say "well VTEC is a complex development that fulfills a request". Well although you are right. High performance falls under the description of "sports [car]" which when you take into consideration, the total car (civic) that the VTEC is in, does not meet the criteria of "beyond normal limits".

So tell me tubbs, does this mean something in physical reality? I'm pretty sure it does. If your mind actually wrapped around this post.

Oh ya and "better" is defined as "more attractive, favorable, or commendable" also as " improved in accuracy or performance".

For those of you who will now say that I am the hypocrite for saying "Sports car is a class of car" then defining "sports" and "car". I did this for both sides of the argument.

Oh ya and "better" is defined as "more attractive, favorable, or commendable" also as " improved in accuracy or performance". So tubbs and all you other *******! By "sports car" definition of "high performance vehicle" that the "rx-7" is classified as, is "better"!

So I hope this settles that argument. Anymore ball-busters?

Oh, and tubbs. YOUR POST..............kinda annoyed me.

 

speedjunkie, how come I'm not on your list of "you, ryn, and js"?

 

I wouldn't try talking ****. Not the type. I'll reason with you, but I'm not one for talking down on others.

Alright, from someone with a user name from the anime cartoon, the Rx-7's (FC & FD) race against a economy shitbox of a Toyota, a Corolla. That same corolla races against Skylines, Evo's, Sti's, Miatas, and even Civics (SiR's & the type R). My point is how come owners here don't get their batons and maces ready when a four banger corolla from the 80's considers itself worthy competition? Is it just because it is rwd that makes it is a sports car? Must be that amazing 1.6 liter inline four then? yeah right.

No one said these front drive Hondas are full blown sports cars, but the extras that are bestowed, along with a race inspired engine, and suspension, should put them on a list way above your Geo Metros, and Dodge Charades.

If it will make you happy, the Civic and Integra are considered to some to be sports compacts. They may not be driven by rear wheels, but Buddy Club, and a **** load of other tuners from across the Pacific use them as a platform to dominate in many forms of motorsports including time attack & if you read grassroots motorsports, many of sport, and sub compacts haul their asses around as fast as the rest & the best of them whether is FF, FR, MR, or RR. Why would Spoon & Mugen even waste their time with auto R&D for these grocery getters then? Because of the old, yet simple saying,"race on Sunday, sell on Monday." It works, and is compotent enough for them to pour money into it, without going to complete waste.


Well, what annoys me, is that the Rx-7 IS a sports car, but people are still trying to compare them to sports exotics & exotic sports cars. I would also like to know what 'book' you all are referring to when you say it's written in those pages. Is there a car bible unknown to the world that you guys have access to. Even if its in magazine, deep down inside, a 1.3 rotory that ouputs 255hp from factory was not meant to be competition for the likes of say a Ferrari Testarossa, or any high end Ferrari as some of you have implied. Sure in the 80's you had the turbo FC beat out the 944, but was it any match for the 80's 911 turbo, or other higher end exotic models?

 

Correction, add S2000, I like those too.

 

"And for the record, I don't call gay people *******, I call them gay people"...******!

Very mature right? Very logical too for that matter. I don't know when you will grow up.

Everyone here has brought feasible words in, but you still think you're above others, or me alone for that fact. Say what you wish, because unless your a psyhic, you don't know **** about me or my IQ. Just because I don't agree with your opinions makes me a retard. I guess thats all the logic you can come up with.

 

Haha, sorry bro, I didn't read back to see who was on what side, I just recalled the ones I could think of at the moment. Sorry for the omission.

For rx7henry: Merriam-Webster's definition of omission...

Main Entry: omis·sion
Pronunciation: \ō-ˈmi-shən, ə-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English omissioun, from Anglo-French omission, from Late Latin omission-, omissio, from Latin omittere
Date: 14th century
1 a: something neglected or left undone b: apathy toward or neglect of duty
2: the act of omitting : the state of being omitted

...just so you know I'm not making up words to add to the English language that you "know so well". I mean, you know better than anyone what a sports car is, but you can't know EVERYTHING.

 

Yeah, and it's mature to call me a ******, HAHAHA. That's hilarious. I don't think I'm above anyone actually. I'll I've tried to do is enlighten you to what you do not know, yet you don't want to hear it. In fact, almost all of us in this thread have tried to help you, but you refuse help. You're right, I don't know you're IQ for certain, but in what you have said so far, the indication is not promising. And you're not disagreeing with my opinions, you're disagreeing with fact, which also doesn't look good for your IQ.

 

hey rx-7henry, I kinda had you mixed up with MARTIN for way of "going personal with criticism". Ya'll both had similar arguments so I just confused you two. My bad.

But still rx-7henry. We can compare the FD to exotics with upgrades but we aren't saying they are exotics. For it's release date the FD is a very fast car. The argument to yours on comparing the FD to exotics is, who manufactured the FD? Mazda. They have built cars that are similar to the civic in class and power. Yet still they have produced a car, that can compare to exotics that solely seek to manufacture expensive, high hp, exotics that are supposed to dominate the track and highway. They also have poured way more money into development. But still, there is the FD that Mazda produced that can compare to the exotics.

Once again I will iterate that no one here has claimed the FD to be an exotic. Although some common folk think it is an exotic when they see it on the street (which again reflects comparison to an exotic not only in speed/performance, but also in style). Here, the FD has only claimed to be compared to an exotic. And I think I have proven the point that it can be compared.

This isn't the same argument that is over the civic-FD. People have claimed that the civic IS a sports car which I proved wrong a couple posts ago.

I could debate the "rajin cajun" James Carville right now. **** I shouldn't tell my debate teacher about this, she'll be pissed.

 

No one knows everything. More than over 80% or closer to 90% on this thread alone is of what people opinions, and thoughts are about the subject.

I enjoy reading what everyone has to say, even what you write, as everyone is entitled to voice their views. It's just that when it comes down to insults and that type of bullshit, these threads come crashing into a pile of wasted effort.

 

DMoneyRX7

The words "better" and "cooler" are superlatives. They aren't words that we use to categorize things specifically. Things can be categorized as better or cooler but neither word has a specific association like the words "sports car" as a category. You said it yourself - Sports car is a class of car. "Cooler" is not a class of anything. I am not a hypocrite.

I don't need to be persuaded to believe the FD RX-7 is a sports car. It is by definition a sports car. You're making your own argument. What I was arguing is that the mere fact that it is a sports car doesn't make it a better car. It still doesn't. It is a purpose built sports car, but it still doesn't make it impossible for a Civic Si to easily be modified to reach an equal level of performance. At which point neither car is the better.

What argument did you hope to put an end to?

 

Anyways, if you do race again, I would like to see a better video.

 

Depending on context they are adverbs or adjectives. They are used to describe ya, I know. But your brain uses description to place things into categories. (****!! NOW WE ARE GOING INTO PSYCHOLOGY AND ENGLISH LESSONS!) For example, music. A heavy metal song can be described in a certain way which classifies it's genre.

Therefore it's description placed it into a category and therefore specifically associate it as "heavy metal". Same thing would go for classification of cars. I "described" what classifies a car into the "sports" class. The FD does just that.

By definition a sport's car is a "better" car. Depending on your stand on what part of the car is "better" in functionality whether it be gas mileage, reliability. But the argument here is that of it being a "sports" car. Which the civic is not. It can only be modified to be comparable to....a sports car.

But in your post you were referring to a factory civic. You reflect that point here "Many of you seem to feel as though because the RX-7 is classified as a sports car that it makes the car better. It doesn't. "Sports car" is just another term that us humans use to categorize things. It reminds me of the ricers that put Type R stickers on their cars thinking it makes them cooler."

When you were saying ricers most of us here don't consider a car comparable to a FD a ricer.

tubbs-"DMoneyRX7. Tut tut" "What argument did you hope to put an end to?": [Sorry for this rx7club but I gotta go personal]-----Go take your Midol tubbs because I can smell your menstruation from Texas. Don't gimme a English lesson. I can turn up the heat! [I'm trying to get the mod's to close it, for everyone's benefit].

I don't know henry, I might get flamed for racing civics that are still trying to be compared to a sports car. That is hilarious...people were flaming me for racing a civic, when they say that it is or can be comparable to the FD. LMAO!

I'm not racing until I get my engine checked out. Something is wrong, could be on it's last leg. And I am having boost creep like a mother so I don't want to prematurely blow it.

But ya, once everything works out and I get it goin. Definitely some vid's coming up. ****, I might just call my friend Richard whose FD is basically what mine will be in the near future to race the dude in the civic that I raced. Then I can video while someone else is driving.

 

Oh you can turn up the heat? I was falling asleep reading your last post.

You're just confusing yourself and everyone else spewing fancy rhetoric and **** analysis. Now you want to E-thug it out with me? What a woman.

 

Haha, hey, well a race is a race right? No one is doing any flaming around here, or I hope there won't be much beyond that, but I come here to read the races because they interests me.
I love hearing about what owners think & more so about what potentials a certain group of cars have & what imporovements some need, and frankly enjoy trading thoughts. Almost like a game of verbal pong on the internet if you will. Talk to anyone with even an ounce of dignity or respect & that is usually the types of responses you will get in return from them.

 

Hey rx7henry,

I hate e-thugs and would rather have a rational debate any day, but some people are close minded and cannot take criticism without blowing up.

 

This was a pretty decent thread to go through and read though. Postings like the ones in threads like this, keeps these forums interesting.

 

rx7henry is a moderator right now. lol. Ya a race is a race. Im going to post a video of me trying to race a GT Mustang with mods but how he wouldn't do it (the dude clearly wanted to race and kinda . I just need to get the cable to transfer it to my computer.

tubbs. I have been asleep man, I can barely read the computer screen. I meant turn up the heat on the arguments. Not English lessons. I suck at that. How old are you anyways? I'm only making a 80 something in my HIGH SCHOOL AP Eng class right now. Sorry. But a 98 in Debate. lmao. So don't think your big talking down to a 17 year old. haha

I'm not confusing myself. I know exactly what my stand on this is. Idc if everyone is confused because all I know is that somehow you used "spewing" and "****" in the same sentence. That's funny.....hehehehe(Peter Griffin laugh).

hey rx-7henry, I'm immature so I'm going to use you as a middle man as I criticize the other guy. LMFAO!

No tubbs I'm not blowing it up because I can't have a rational debate, I'm just kinda tired of the way's people argue in this thread so I have tried using specifics, logics, definitions, all that good stuff but still nothing works. So therefore I just went personal. I'm not going to argue the English way and not bring in emotions and just say "righto". Lmao.

But really rx-7henry I'll keep this forum interesting for you