To all the B**ches that think K20 Hondas are slow:
04-26-07, 05:40 PM
#76
Originally Posted by w33n
Agreed. But the point is, his statement was "take any na honda motor against any na rotary."
I just don't appreciate it when people make statements that are THAT absolute. It's okay to exaggerate to get a point across, but I must point out the fallacy in the statement "take any na honda motor against any na rotary."
As far as the CRX v.s. the FC...I mean, think what you want. I am not some faggy kid on the "kills" section trying to convince everyone I beat a McLaren F1 in my MX3. I saw what I saw, man. Doubt it all you want.
As always, no comments I make are meant to be insulting or inflammatory. ^_^ I always feel the need to add that on there because people on this forum tend to get so butthurt.
I just don't appreciate it when people make statements that are THAT absolute. It's okay to exaggerate to get a point across, but I must point out the fallacy in the statement "take any na honda motor against any na rotary."
As far as the CRX v.s. the FC...I mean, think what you want. I am not some faggy kid on the "kills" section trying to convince everyone I beat a McLaren F1 in my MX3. I saw what I saw, man. Doubt it all you want.
As always, no comments I make are meant to be insulting or inflammatory. ^_^ I always feel the need to add that on there because people on this forum tend to get so butthurt.
No i didnt say take ANY na honda engine vs an na rotary engine. But of course, who woulda thought you had to choose the cosmo. NO SUPRISE. The rotary's highest hp production engine. WOW!!!!! THE COSMO!!! O NO!!
Its still inefficient, unreliable piece of metal. Honda makes some of the most advanced, efficient, reliable engines EVER.
There is no way you're gonna sit there and type out how rotary is superior to a honda engine cause IT IS NOT, not through my opinion but IN FACT. And if you cant see that, if you look around, go do some research, go read a book, go ask a friend and if you still think a rotary is superior, i feel sorry for you.
04-26-07, 05:41 PM
#77
Originally Posted by matty
hey its 1qwik7 just being himself. whatelse is new?
anyways thats statement is pretty illinformed.
anyways thats statement is pretty illinformed.
You, among very few here who are blinded by doritos.
Cant admit a fact when its there in your face.
04-26-07, 08:16 PM
#78
1QWIK7,
You know, you should really cut Mazda some slack. They've stuck with the rotary when only a few others have even tinkered with it. So the advances they've made on it I think are impressive. I don't care if you like Honda motors, and you know what? I like 'em too, but I'm not a complete jerk telling people off or saying "your motor can never be as 'good' as mine". The rotary has had some significant racing victories, too, and if YOU'D do a little reading yourself you'd know that.
You know, you should really cut Mazda some slack. They've stuck with the rotary when only a few others have even tinkered with it. So the advances they've made on it I think are impressive. I don't care if you like Honda motors, and you know what? I like 'em too, but I'm not a complete jerk telling people off or saying "your motor can never be as 'good' as mine". The rotary has had some significant racing victories, too, and if YOU'D do a little reading yourself you'd know that.
04-26-07, 08:49 PM
#79
Originally Posted by SpeedOfLife
1QWIK7,
You know, you should really cut Mazda some slack. They've stuck with the rotary when only a few others have even tinkered with it. So the advances they've made on it I think are impressive. I don't care if you like Honda motors, and you know what? I like 'em too, but I'm not a complete jerk telling people off or saying "your motor can never be as 'good' as mine". The rotary has had some significant racing victories, too, and if YOU'D do a little reading yourself you'd know that.
You know, you should really cut Mazda some slack. They've stuck with the rotary when only a few others have even tinkered with it. So the advances they've made on it I think are impressive. I don't care if you like Honda motors, and you know what? I like 'em too, but I'm not a complete jerk telling people off or saying "your motor can never be as 'good' as mine". The rotary has had some significant racing victories, too, and if YOU'D do a little reading yourself you'd know that.
No im not even a honda fan, what does that have to do with anything? I have to be a honda fan in order to make the post i made? Thats what i dont get from you guys here. Im an FD owner, i love rx7s, but a fact is still a fact. And the crazy thing is that you guys wanna argue against a fact, now that blows me away. I try day in and day out to shake the heads of you blinded people, people who are still in denial that try to find every single excuse in the world to say anything but x > is better or more efficient than a rotary engine.
And this is one of those threads where im trying again.
And i never said x engine was better than a rotary engine. Here you go again putting words in my mouth. All i said was that a honda engine is more advanced, more precise, more efficient and more reliable than a rotary engine. Only advancement mazda made to the rotary was the renesis and EVEN THEN is still not good enough to what honda has out now.
FACE IT PLEASE, im not saying honda is better but if you look, i wont need to say it, you will know already.
04-27-07, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Roen
I dunno, if you match up equally priced cars from the years, an NA rotary does well in all categories except for mileage. The only exception, that I can think of, is the RENESIS vs. F22C, which hands down the F22C is better in all categories.
What did Honda make in 88 or 91 that cost around the same as an RX-7? That should be a good comparison.
What did Honda make in 88 or 91 that cost around the same as an RX-7? That should be a good comparison.
04-27-07, 09:25 AM
#81
Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
No im not even a honda fan, what does that have to do with anything? I have to be a honda fan in order to make the post i made? Thats what i dont get from you guys here. Im an FD owner, i love rx7s, but a fact is still a fact. And the crazy thing is that you guys wanna argue against a fact, now that blows me away. I try day in and day out to shake the heads of you blinded people, people who are still in denial that try to find every single excuse in the world to say anything but x > is better or more efficient than a rotary engine.
And this is one of those threads where im trying again.
And i never said x engine was better than a rotary engine. Here you go again putting words in my mouth. All i said was that a honda engine is more advanced, more precise, more efficient and more reliable than a rotary engine. Only advancement mazda made to the rotary was the renesis and EVEN THEN is still not good enough to what honda has out now.
FACE IT PLEASE, im not saying honda is better but if you look, i wont need to say it, you will know already.
And this is one of those threads where im trying again.
And i never said x engine was better than a rotary engine. Here you go again putting words in my mouth. All i said was that a honda engine is more advanced, more precise, more efficient and more reliable than a rotary engine. Only advancement mazda made to the rotary was the renesis and EVEN THEN is still not good enough to what honda has out now.
FACE IT PLEASE, im not saying honda is better but if you look, i wont need to say it, you will know already.
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04-27-07, 05:34 PM
#83
Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
Its still inefficient, unreliable piece of metal. Honda makes some of the most advanced, efficient, reliable engines EVER.
There is no way you're gonna sit there and type out how rotary is superior to a honda engine cause IT IS NOT, not through my opinion but IN FACT. And if you cant see that, if you look around, go do some research, go read a book, go ask a friend and if you still think a rotary is superior, i feel sorry for you.
There is no way you're gonna sit there and type out how rotary is superior to a honda engine cause IT IS NOT, not through my opinion but IN FACT. And if you cant see that, if you look around, go do some research, go read a book, go ask a friend and if you still think a rotary is superior, i feel sorry for you.
Stock vs stock, yes you are right; Honda hands down!
04-27-07, 05:39 PM
#85
buttfuck hondas right in their shiny, oversized mufflers!!! hondas suck! 
if you want gas mileage, get a ******* geo!! if you want a fast car, why in the name of the car gods would you get a ******* honda???
if you want gas mileage, get a ******* geo!! if you want a fast car, why in the name of the car gods would you get a ******* honda???
04-27-07, 07:20 PM
#86
Originally Posted by SpeedOfLife
If that doesn't say "Honda motors are better", I don't know what does. Quit contradicting yourself.
Nah it doesnt. Use your head, the words you put in bold are facts proven in EVERY article regarding this matter. Go do a search, ill wait here patiently. I want to get proven wrong.
So, you are saying that a NA 300HP (at the wheels) K series engine is reliable? Will it be able to pass emissions? What about the MPG, does it still get 27mpg?
I dont know about you but honda wasnt, isnt and will never be known to be HP crazy. They live and die by reliability, being efficient, being practical, being economical. And they do this time and time again, winning most HP per liter how many years now? A k series engine making 300hp where? in an rsx? Yeah cause we need 300hp in a honda from factory. Thats just a spec of dust of what the engine can do.
How about the C32? 3.2 liter v6 for the nsx? Thats making close to 300hp.
What do you want to compare that to? Still the cosmo? Ok, a 3 rotor engine that was never introduced in the states. Good luck getting one, having someone put one in for you (for whatever car you have) and good luck paying for that.
Wanna talk renesis? yes it was a VERY vast improvement to the rotary, they worked the flooding bugs out and the rx8s are doing great. But dont get me started on that subject. I dont feel like revving to 8500rpm to get like 230hp and 5500rpm to get 16x lbs feet of torque. And for a RWD SPORTS CAR, that cost over 30k????? LOL Ok you got me there.
Sure honda engines are torqueless wonders too but they have something rotarys dont and will never have, technology. They can be efficient no matter where the rpms are, which is why VTACKKKK is there. Yes the vtack people made fun of. Well that my friend is why honda will always be superior to rotary.
Wait let me rephrase that, honda engines will always be superior to rotary. I wanna give mazda some credit, they won more races than any other jap company out there.
But dont EVER think for a doubt, that you wanna take a rotary and say it is superior to a honda engine in general. Cause you sound like an idiot.
04-27-07, 07:39 PM
#87
Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
Nah it doesnt. Use your head, the words you put in bold are facts proven in EVERY article regarding this matter. Go do a search, ill wait here patiently. I want to get proven wrong.
You're kidding right?
I dont know about you but honda wasnt, isnt and will never be known to be HP crazy. They live and die by reliability, being efficient, being practical, being economical. And they do this time and time again, winning most HP per liter how many years now? A k series engine making 300hp where? in an rsx? Yeah cause we need 300hp in a honda from factory. Thats just a spec of dust of what the engine can do.
How about the C32? 3.2 liter v6 for the nsx? Thats making close to 300hp.
What do you want to compare that to? Still the cosmo? Ok, a 3 rotor engine that was never introduced in the states. Good luck getting one, having someone put one in for you (for whatever car you have) and good luck paying for that.
Wanna talk renesis? yes it was a VERY vast improvement to the rotary, they worked the flooding bugs out and the rx8s are doing great. But dont get me started on that subject. I dont feel like revving to 8500rpm to get like 230hp and 5500rpm to get 16x lbs feet of torque. And for a RWD SPORTS CAR, that cost over 30k????? LOL Ok you got me there.
Sure honda engines are torqueless wonders too but they have something rotarys dont and will never have, technology. They can be efficient no matter where the rpms are, which is why VTACKKKK is there. Yes the vtack people made fun of. Well that my friend is why honda will always be superior to rotary.
Wait let me rephrase that, honda engines will always be superior to rotary. I wanna give mazda some credit, they won more races than any other jap company out there.
But dont EVER think for a doubt, that you wanna take a rotary and say it is superior to a honda engine in general. Cause you sound like an idiot.
You're kidding right?
I dont know about you but honda wasnt, isnt and will never be known to be HP crazy. They live and die by reliability, being efficient, being practical, being economical. And they do this time and time again, winning most HP per liter how many years now? A k series engine making 300hp where? in an rsx? Yeah cause we need 300hp in a honda from factory. Thats just a spec of dust of what the engine can do.
How about the C32? 3.2 liter v6 for the nsx? Thats making close to 300hp.
What do you want to compare that to? Still the cosmo? Ok, a 3 rotor engine that was never introduced in the states. Good luck getting one, having someone put one in for you (for whatever car you have) and good luck paying for that.
Wanna talk renesis? yes it was a VERY vast improvement to the rotary, they worked the flooding bugs out and the rx8s are doing great. But dont get me started on that subject. I dont feel like revving to 8500rpm to get like 230hp and 5500rpm to get 16x lbs feet of torque. And for a RWD SPORTS CAR, that cost over 30k????? LOL Ok you got me there.
Sure honda engines are torqueless wonders too but they have something rotarys dont and will never have, technology. They can be efficient no matter where the rpms are, which is why VTACKKKK is there. Yes the vtack people made fun of. Well that my friend is why honda will always be superior to rotary.
Wait let me rephrase that, honda engines will always be superior to rotary. I wanna give mazda some credit, they won more races than any other jap company out there.
But dont EVER think for a doubt, that you wanna take a rotary and say it is superior to a honda engine in general. Cause you sound like an idiot.
04-27-07, 08:09 PM
#88
Originally Posted by fd3s_jerry
yeah, cuz nsx's are SO cheap!!! you talk **** about the number's the rx8 puts out for the price, and then compare it to a car that doesn't put out that much more, and USED is way more than an rx-8. and if honda engines are so superior, how come the only japanese car to EVER win the 24 hrs at Le Mans was a ROTARY POWERED car??!?!?#?!@$!@#$? oh, and btw, good luck affording an nsx... dumbass!
04-27-07, 08:12 PM
#89
Originally Posted by Rxmfn7
Not that I can "fully" agree with anyones posts, or that I really even want to get in this debate (because its stupid and pointless), I just had to throw my .02 in. At least he is talking about honda production engines that are fairly common, while all of you guys can throw back is examples of engines that were never even in production ( N/A 20B), or the completely meaningless 787B, which was neither a production car nor had an engine anything close in resemblance to a production rotary. Now Im as proud as the next guy for the 787B taking the win back in 91, but it doesnt really prove or say anything, and people need to stop spouting it off like it does. Honestly, what the hell are you guys even arguing about?
Finally someone who took the time to sink this in and say what a load of crap people are in this thread. Me being one of them ill admit, cause this subject is just soo stupid.
Not only is it stupid to try to explain that a honda engine is superior to a rotary engine on an rx7/rotary forum but i actually thought they would get the idea. Stupid me, i should just quit now.
04-27-07, 08:16 PM
#90
Originally Posted by fd3s_jerry
yeah, cuz nsx's are SO cheap!!! you talk **** about the number's the rx8 puts out for the price, and then compare it to a car that doesn't put out that much more, and USED is way more than an rx-8. and if honda engines are so superior, how come the only japanese car to EVER win the 24 hrs at Le Mans was a ROTARY POWERED car??!?!?#?!@$!@#$? oh, and btw, good luck affording an nsx... dumbass!
Fully loaded prob like 36k and all i get is a torqueless wankel that cant even beat an rsx in a straight line? And its competitor is the 350Z? The Z whooped its *** in every category and it weighs i believe 400lbs more.
Yeah mazda won 24 hour of lemans. Tell me something i dont know idiot. That was back in 1991 on a NON PRODUCTION ENGINE. I DARE you to find that engine now, go save all your pennies cause it will take you 2 life times to get one.
And yes i can afford an nsx dumbass or any other car in that price range, im not poor like you. I actually have money. Already in the process of buying my second house, what about you?
04-27-07, 08:25 PM
#92
Lets not get into pissing contests (especially one I doubt youll win). Youre the one that brought up that he couldnt afford an NSX, he called you out on it, let it go.
Originally Posted by fd3s_jerry
20 yrs old, fd almost paid off within 6 mos, and in the process of getting a house and my realtor's license. where were you at 20???
04-27-07, 08:30 PM
#93
Originally Posted by fd3s_jerry
20 yrs old, fd almost paid off within 6 mos, and in the process of getting a house and my realtor's license. where were you at 20???
lol i was doing good thank you very much.
I didnt have to finance my FD, i had almost triple the amount i got my FD for in the bank, was already making close to 50 grand a year doing **** work and was establishing my credit to get my first house.
Yeah i though about getting into real estate, its where the money is. Maybe ill do that too. I love money.
04-27-07, 08:32 PM
#94
I was just saying, in general, good luck affording an nsx. I don't care about his financial situation, just saying he compared a rx8 to an nsx, and tried saying the rx8 is overpriced (personally I agree, but compared to the nsx..... come on now.) you know what, **** it, let's drop the pissing contest, cuz we'll both get wet.
04-27-07, 08:36 PM
#95
Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
lol i was doing good thank you very much.
I didnt have to finance my FD, i had almost triple the amount i got my FD for in the bank, was already making close to 50 grand a year doing **** work and was establishing my credit to get my first house.
Yeah i though about getting into real estate, its where the money is. Maybe ill do that too. I love money.
I didnt have to finance my FD, i had almost triple the amount i got my FD for in the bank, was already making close to 50 grand a year doing **** work and was establishing my credit to get my first house.
Yeah i though about getting into real estate, its where the money is. Maybe ill do that too. I love money.
04-27-07, 08:50 PM
#96
Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
You're kidding right?
I dont know about you but honda wasnt, isnt and will never be known to be HP crazy. They live and die by reliability, being efficient, being practical, being economical. And they do this time and time again, winning most HP per liter how many years now? A k series engine making 300hp where? in an rsx? Yeah cause we need 300hp in a honda from factory. Thats just a spec of dust of what the engine can do.
How about the C32? 3.2 liter v6 for the nsx? Thats making close to 300hp.
What do you want to compare that to? Still the cosmo? Ok, a 3 rotor engine that was never introduced in the states. Good luck getting one, having someone put one in for you (for whatever car you have) and good luck paying for that.
Wanna talk renesis? yes it was a VERY vast improvement to the rotary, they worked the flooding bugs out and the rx8s are doing great. But dont get me started on that subject. I dont feel like revving to 8500rpm to get like 230hp and 5500rpm to get 16x lbs feet of torque. And for a RWD SPORTS CAR, that cost over 30k????? LOL Ok you got me there.
Sure honda engines are torqueless wonders too but they have something rotarys dont and will never have, technology. They can be efficient no matter where the rpms are, which is why VTACKKKK is there. Yes the vtack people made fun of. Well that my friend is why honda will always be superior to rotary.
Wait let me rephrase that, honda engines will always be superior to rotary. I wanna give mazda some credit, they won more races than any other jap company out there.
But dont EVER think for a doubt, that you wanna take a rotary and say it is superior to a honda engine in general. Cause you sound like an idiot.
I don't know about you, but I am talking in terms of extracting HP of the engines...
I am comparing the K series to a 13B, nothing more, nothing less!
Since when a RX-8 is a sports car? That's like calling a RSX\TSX a sports car...
Honda might have the technology, when it comes to racing, history speaks for itself.
04-27-07, 09:04 PM
#97
Originally Posted by KNONFS
Hold on, I already said that stock for stock your are 100% right, how about when you start modding them? Can you build a RELIABLE 300HP NA K series? Does it still gets good MPG?
I don't know about you, but I am talking in terms of extracting HP of the engines...
I am comparing the K series to a 13B, nothing more, nothing less!
Since when a RX-8 is a sports car? That's like calling a RSX\TSX a sports car...
Honda might have the technology, when it comes to racing, history speaks for itself.
I don't know about you, but I am talking in terms of extracting HP of the engines...
I am comparing the K series to a 13B, nothing more, nothing less!
Since when a RX-8 is a sports car? That's like calling a RSX\TSX a sports car...
Honda might have the technology, when it comes to racing, history speaks for itself.
So you think the 200hp from the k series engine in an rsx the MOST it can be?? LOL. Like i said before, honda didnt intend to make the rsx a hp freak, 200 was being conservative at the same time make the car fun and reliable too.
Ok k series vs the 13b. The turbo rotary or just the 13b like in an NA FC? You dont want to go there guy.
Rx8 is considered a sports sedan? Sports car? Sport something, it was in class with the 350z and i believe the s2k, both are sports cars, so jeez, it has to be considered a sports car. It has the sports car price tag with the sports car hype. Too bad it doesnt have the sports car ***** to back it up.
Honda has technology but doesnt have racing history??? Did you just say that really? You're forgetting about motorcycles, dirtbikes, atv's that honda makes? What about the honda F1 car? Do you know F1 has the MOST ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY in racing??? Where is the rotary in this field??
Are you seriously trying to argue against honda's history, the KNOWN FACT of it being greater????
LOLOLOL
Come on man, you're fighting a losing battle here. Please stop now before others think you're crazy.
04-27-07, 09:06 PM
#98
Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
So you think the 200hp from the k series engine in an rsx the MOST it can be?? LOL. Like i said before, honda didnt intend to make the rsx a hp freak, 200 was being conservative at the same time make the car fun and reliable too.
Ok k series vs the 13b. The turbo rotary or just the 13b like in an NA FC? You dont want to go there guy.
Rx8 is considered a sports sedan? Sports car? Sport something, it was in class with the 350z and i believe the s2k, both are sports cars, so jeez, it has to be considered a sports car. It has the sports car price tag with the sports car hype. Too bad it doesnt have the sports car ***** to back it up.
Honda has technology but doesnt have racing history??? Did you just say that really? You're forgetting about motorcycles, dirtbikes, atv's that honda makes? What about the honda F1 car? Do you know F1 has the MOST ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY in racing??? Where is the rotary in this field??
Are you seriously trying to argue against honda's history, the KNOWN FACT of it being so greater????
LOLOLOL
Come on man, you're fighting a losing battle here. Please stop now before others think you're crazy.
Ok k series vs the 13b. The turbo rotary or just the 13b like in an NA FC? You dont want to go there guy.
Rx8 is considered a sports sedan? Sports car? Sport something, it was in class with the 350z and i believe the s2k, both are sports cars, so jeez, it has to be considered a sports car. It has the sports car price tag with the sports car hype. Too bad it doesnt have the sports car ***** to back it up.
Honda has technology but doesnt have racing history??? Did you just say that really? You're forgetting about motorcycles, dirtbikes, atv's that honda makes? What about the honda F1 car? Do you know F1 has the MOST ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY in racing??? Where is the rotary in this field??
Are you seriously trying to argue against honda's history, the KNOWN FACT of it being so greater????
LOLOLOL
Come on man, you're fighting a losing battle here. Please stop now before others think you're crazy.