rx7henry

In the cars defense, I believe same words as a rotary owner would say,"Thats a goddamn 5.7 liter. If it didn't win, then wtf?" Right? 1.3 >5.7...? The engine was 2.0 vs 5.7, so there should be no excuse for to have it even keeping up and almost winning even.

RotaryDreamz

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Asterisk, you're a ***.

TehMonkay

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Whoever said something about saving money on the RSX.

Take that same money you spent on the RSX, and go dump it in an 89 TII.

Yeah you see what i'm getting at?

You could play that game all day.

Someone could spend $10k on an older rwd chevy and put some junkyard diesiel turbo on it with a built engine and smoke alot of crap out there in a straight line.

Just stick to what you like and learn that most RX-7 owners REALLY don't like Hondas or most any FWD car and posting stuff about them will get bad responses especially with a cocky thread title. If you like RX-7s and hondas, ok, most people dont care here, and bringing your brand here will cause conflict.

If you own a camaro and a mustang and post **** about the camaro on the mustang forum what will happen.

You people seriously don't think this stuff through before it blows up on you.

We're not here to benchrace, were here because we enjoy RX-7s. That and we don't care what wrong wheel drive cars do to stock corvettes.

TehMonkay

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LOL @ hondas have no torque statement on an RX-7 message board.

fcfanatic

You're right. I guess the turbos that come stock on our RX-7's don't make **** for torque.

Rotary Noob

Nope, they dont. Maybe 200ft lbs. IF that.

As for you TehMonkey, I like your thinking, and I lol'd at your statement of "wrong wheel drive" Im going to bring that up at my school now.

RX7KENN

Lolol, Wrong Wheel Drive.

gravytraindg

this thread should be called......proof that k20 is not faster than a corvette........and if a highly modded RX can beat a corvette= pointless

AWD-RWD racer

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you got beat in every race except the first one when you left on the 2nd honk....

Sagwa

how many K20 out there on the street are fast and how many ddid you see spank the zo6?
Hondas can be made fast. But who gives a ****? Wow like they notice a honda. put any z06 with a honda and invest equal amount of money for power. No questions, Hondas SUCKS!
You claim to represent the K series, and you come here on rotary forum and expect not to get flamed and bashed?

Montego

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you know... you have a ******* point the threat starter owned himself! lol

1QWIK7

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They dont.

Take a na rotary against a na honda engine. The honda engine will top the rotary engine in everything. Power, reliability, maintenance etc etc.

3rd Gen Jeremy

Did anybody notice that he stole the hit in most of those runs especially from a dig. All I'm saying is weak!!!

FD WannaBe

Everyone has their own opinion on what they consider slow or fast. Anything can be fast givin the person has the funds/motivation. This video alone in my opinion isn't going to change people's opinion on whether a K20 is fast or not. You have to take multiple things into consideration before you make such a bold statement.

wthdidusay82

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Just my thoughts here, i really think a true sports car shouldnt be front wheel drive...front wheel drive sucks *** no matter how you loook at it and having 400whp in a front wheel drive i can imagine it handles like *** understeering king , you hit that gas around a turn at high speed and its like your driving on butter.

w33n

Well, that's just straight-up an incorrect statement. OK, let's take the engine from the 1996 Honda Civic VP and put it against an NA 20B cosmo.
Or how about just a few weeks ago, when my friend raced a CRX with a V-Tec B16 swap in his GXL and won? Need I mention that the GXL had intake and exhaust, and that's pretty much it? I would say this second scenario is quite a bit more realistic, too, seeing as how 1.) I saw it happen and 2.) The modifications and engine types are a little more representative.
Although honestly, most of the Hondas you see on the road aren't Vtecs. They are EX and DX with wings, body kits, and big mufflers.
See, there is no reason to hate on Honda. They make some great cars. Direct your anger, then, towards the guys who drive them around with peeling paint; but rather than fixing that paint, they've taken the liberty of putting a huge wing and stupid fart can muffler on it.
And 1QWIK7, I meant no offense by my statement. I was simply pointing out that such an absolute statement is both hard to back up and easy to dispell. ^_^ I don't mind if someone wants to hate on the rotary, but it at least needs to have some foundation, lol.

w33n

And you are pretty much correct, except the main enemy of the FWD power car is torque steer, especially in a turbo like mine.

matty

hey its 1qwik7 just being himself. whatelse is new?

anyways thats statement is pretty illinformed.

rx7henry

That’s just plain ridiculous. The 20B making the power it does, will still never achieve the fuel efficiency that the inline can provide. Most Honda motors from the past were sub 2.0 liter displacements as well. We were & are also referring to the 13B non turbo and even the renesis motor has rendered itself a target of the current generation of technology conventional engines hold. Not to mention reliability & availability. If 20B's are indeed the must-have or even most price conscious swaps out there, why aren't they flooding the streets with them? If my previous knowledge serves me right, the 20B was also never manufactured in a non turbo, so it need not apply; as the 20B-REW came only in a twin turbo configuration. The 20B na is also a race engine, so there’s no comparison here.


I find that hard to believe unless the crx driver didn't know how to drive for beans. A correctly swapped STOCK b16 in that chassis is good for low to mid 15's (the time slips to prove this are endless). Also, the GXL & other non turbo varieties were good for mid to high 16's stock. So, unless the GXL had more mods, I'm not sure intake & exhaust will shave a second off. Even if just street racing, the crx is by far lighter (2,000 lbs vs. 2,700 lbs) & dyno's higher. I've seen non turbo fc's dyno at as low as 112whp w/ intake and exhaust. Stock b16 depending on generation will see 130-145whp on the dyno. Given the similar power output (in this case, not so similar), 700 lbs WILL place the Honda at an advantage. So, unless the GXL had a nice rwd launch and both cars shut down before putting down some credible speed, the crx will almost always catch the FC & pass it if not done at the start.

I do agree with your latter statement though.

w33n

Agreed. But the point is, his statement was "take any na honda motor against any na rotary."
I just don't appreciate it when people make statements that are THAT absolute. It's okay to exaggerate to get a point across, but I must point out the fallacy in the statement "take any na honda motor against any na rotary."
As far as the CRX v.s. the FC...I mean, think what you want. I am not some faggy kid on the "kills" section trying to convince everyone I beat a McLaren F1 in my MX3. I saw what I saw, man. Doubt it all you want.
As always, no comments I make are meant to be insulting or inflammatory. ^_^ I always feel the need to add that on there because people on this forum tend to get so butthurt.

w33n

Also I must add that the car I was driving was many many times faster than either the CRX OR the FC in question, so if it comes down to "Maybe you were too far behind to see right," well, no I wasn't. Just to add that on ^_^

rx7henry

Must have been a well running FC. As for that statement, it would probably have been best left unsaid.

Hondaeat-R

I've been out of this thread for a while but just to drop in my .02c I'll speak from my own experience here,.. I briefly owned a b16 swapped '89 civic DX hatch w/ no mods other than a header, and I currently own a '87 n/a w/ RB downpipe and pre-silencer and intake. The CRX would walk ALL OVER my RX-7 if i had the chance to race them today, i know that for sure. For all us s4 n/a guys w/ little to no mods, lets just say this...our cars are really cool, but not that fast at all. We'll have to be happy w/ that until the turbo bug bites us. Contrary to popular belief, The 7 CAN lose, and does a lot.

rx7henry

It's true. For an na to win, it'll need a streetport at least, and even then it might as well come down to driver given similar mods.

Roen

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I dunno, if you match up equally priced cars from the years, an NA rotary does well in all categories except for mileage. The only exception, that I can think of, is the RENESIS vs. F22C, which hands down the F22C is better in all categories.

What did Honda make in 88 or 91 that cost around the same as an RX-7? That should be a good comparison.