ArmenMAxx

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my cuz 05 RSx type s ran a 14.2 with street tires and CAI. and a Si dosent do 0-60 in 7.2 and people need to understand that if a car gets a faster 1/4 mile time u cant juge it as a "FASTER" car. FWD launch sucks. If u look at the trap speed of most fwd cars and compare then to similar HP RWd cars, there usually higher. But still nice Kill with ur RX7, i believe u 100%.

BlkS5TII

Right, because what you want out of an FF is more power. You obviously have not seriously driven an S2k, or you wouldn't even put the two cars in the same sentence.

H22a/13bt

ummm no trust me, I've driven both cars...numerous times...hard. I would MUCH rather have the Si, you get way more for your money. They are both fast 4 cylinders. S2000's are for the preps in my opinion. And what makes the S2000 soooo much better/faster than the Si to not put them in the same sentence, the Si has much greater N/A potential than the S2K.... The only thing the S has got going for it is the RWD (launch) and even that is just the driver skill. I've seen RSX's-S's and the New Si's outlaunch plenty of higher powered RWD sports cars.
We've taken down S2000's in the stock 06 Si...Add CAI, and race exhaust u can hit a 14.0....seen it, adjust the VTC, slap an RBC intake manifold on there, take out the flapper valves, bye bye S2k, everytime. Even stock for stock the S2000 isn't much faster, it CAN be a drivers race, (meaning it takes a good driver to hang with or beat an S2K piloted by a decent driver)

K20Z > F20 and F22

BlkS5TII

Handling. I win.

N/A S2k's are hitting 250-270whp. Have you been under a rock? The original thought that S2k's aren't able to make decent power off of n/a mods has been thrown out the window. 230whp is easily attainable with I/H/E and a tune. The '06 S2k's are even putting down ~240whp and 170wtq (that's right, to the WHEELS) stock, but I'm sure you didn't know that. Maybe you should do a little more research.

Boost is a whole other game, but there is at least 1 S2k that has hit 800+whp.

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...58&hl=2006+whp

X-JaVeN-X

HOLY MORONS BATMAN!! Everytime I read one of your posts in this thread I got a little dumber. I'm really REALLY thinking about starting a poll in the lounge on dumbest forum member...except I"m only going to put you on the list, because it's quite obvious you have no competition.

MARTIN

Again, please use similiar sae ratings... 210 vs 200 Si>T2..


Where did you get that 7.2 sec 0-60?
I actually did 14.9 bone stock @ 93 mph.. So si>t2..

Anything else?

MARTIN

Im gunna have to say, that unless it was an s5, with a ported motor and boosted stock turbo, that its next to impossible for that to happen... Seeing as how I've built motors and have had TII's, I do have to disagree on this one... 350z's see 14.1 on a terrible launch and abad day. So I wanna know how a 180 whp car(on a good motor)+ maybe 20whp from a intake+dp(being generous) will Walk a car that puts down about 60-70 whp more and weighs a lil more...


yea its extremely easy to get 250whp in a TII all you have to do is, port the motor, buy fcd, boost the hell outta the stock turbo and get a FMIC.

Yea, I would never say add a turbo to the K and not add one to the bt or re motors... But then ditch the stock turbo(s) and add something bigger w/o building the motor... Means no porting, just stock. The piston motor is not only more efficient than a rotary but the k is more efficient than most piston motors. So boost for boost, the k is going to make more power than 13b or the re... Remember, what makes more power n/a will make more power on boost.. 13bt needs a turby to hit 200Fhp, the k doesnt.. So therefore, K>13bt/re...


OF course, which is why Im explaining above..

BlkS5TII

There are no "old" SAE ratings for the '06 Si engine, so are you just pulling the 210 out of your ***?

You're forgetting that I'm at 5,000+ft. N/a cars suffer at this altitude, and it shows. S5 with 3k miles on it at 11psi.

The K only makes more power with less boost because of the much higher compression ratio. You're right about that, but you're saying that it's better because it CAN'T handle more boost without being built? Stick the same turbo on both cars and turn the boost up to the maximum tolerance for the specific engine, then who's ahead? That sticks with the equal $ statement as well, since I'm fairly sure it doesn't cost me anything to fiddle with my boost controller. Then there's launching the car...

I'll stop arguing with your ricer logic. You've already started with the whole "my car is better because it will gain 100whp with only 7psi." Oh and because your engine is more efficient it means it's better? I thought it was about who made more power, otherwise my F20 is MUCH better than the Enzo V12 because mine makes 120hp/liter v. the Enzos weak 110hp/liter.

aznpoopy

this thread makes me lol

s2000 is 10x the car the civic SI will ever be

you do realize that racing encompasses far more than a 1/4 drag, right?

BlkS5TII

You sure? Because I was just about to trade in my S2k for a Foxbody. Can't beat how easy and cheap those are to tune.

I especially like the part about if the drivers are unequal.

MARTIN

No, same engine as rsx-s and since it came out on 04 for 05 model year, its 210..

What does altitude have to do with anything I wrote?

And no, I never said that either engine could handle more boost without a build... Because it all depends on how the engine is built. You can throw 30lbs @ one motor and itll take it fine, then throw it at a different motor of the same kind and blow it before you get to 30..

The 13bt is highly inefficient and needs porting to flow good and make power, even though I made 450+ on stock ports, but it is a fairly big turbo and @ more than 17lbs.. thats on a t70, the boosted si down here makes 300whp with 7lbs of boost on a 60-1 turbo.. Just to show how efficient it is..

the re is a better motor overall because of the enormous ports on the motor... but still the k is better.

Bottom line, I love rotarys, and I always will. I feel comfortable working on them and having fun with them also. I Love my turbo vert, and the fact that I saved it and dropped in a motor I built, makes me apreciate it more. But I did move on and got into honda's. Their efficiency is insane and you could tell their motors are really thought out. So yes im quick to defend them from people that make ignorant statements.

MARTIN

The s2k is great car, as is the rx7.. But as far as s2k being 10x's the car a civic will ever be..LOL the only thing that makes it better is that it comes with more power from factory and its RWD.. Much bigger market for the rsx/civic than s2k..

BlkS5TII

You should buy a 5.0 Foxbody. That market is the biggest.

You said that it's impossible for a lightly modded TII to beat a 350Z, but you failed to realize that turbo cars are less affected by altitude as an n/a car. I was simply explaining that it in fact possible and that it did happen.

MARTIN

My ricer logic? How so? I explained my points much better than you. Im not just saying that its better... And my engine=13bt and k20 so..? If you meant the k20, then yes. It is a better motor... Not only does it make 200bhp but it can also get 30mpg.. And nobody was talking about hp/liter, so I dunno where the **** you grabbed that **** from..

BlkS5TII

You're talking about efficiency, which can somewhat be measured by hp/liter. I'll give you that the K20 is better in some ways, but you're acting like it ***** all over the rotary. They're too different to compare in the ways you are trying to. In terms of actual performance, rotary cars **** all over any K20 car. You can talk theory about how it's better because it flows better or some b.s., but the fact is it is still not capable of the same performance ESPECIALLY being hooked up to a FWD transmission.

MARTIN

yea you are right, forgot about the 350z being @ +5kft.. But in sea level, that would never happen..

And no, Im cool. Fox bodies are not my style.. But maybe you should, that way you can actually compete with other RWD cars..

BlkS5TII

lol. I'd rather be slower than some RWD cars than to be slower than all of them.

MARTIN

Dont get me wrong, the rotary motor is great in many ways... Especially the customizability of the performance characteristics.. But its not till we get to 3 rotors, that you can kiss the k good bye and leave it behind...

MARTIN

So what rwd car can you beat in the s2k, that I cant beat in the civic?

BlkS5TII

You're going to pick on one of my cars? I was hoping you'd bring up the 7, since the S2k is still wearing temp tags and so I have yet to call Vortech.

Mustang GT
Lightly modified Fox body
BMW 540i
BMW750il
G35 coupe/sedan
RX8
The list goes on...

Oh wait, you ran a 14.9? That should open the theoretical window even further...

Nvm. I could be here all night, so I'll just give you the link that everyone else uses. You just pick out all the RWD cars that run better than 14.9, but slower than 14.0.
http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

It's a long one, so I'm going to bed. Have fun.

MARTIN

You were hoping that I bring up the 7? Ill bring it up then.. HAve you taken it to the track? have you dynoed it ? And the s2k does not run 14.00 so I dunno what to tell you..

BlkS5TII

No 1/4 mile tracks since I prefer having to use my brain. I tuned it myself to a temporary AFR of 11 at 12psi until I can get it dynoed.

S2k's don't run 14 flat? The best to date is a 13.7 bone stock, but the link I just gave shows a 14.2. Everyone knows that the mag times are slower than what is possible, especially given the difficult nature of launching a high revving engine. You yourself ran a better time than the mag times, so are you going to contradict yourself?

This is really all just theoretical b.s. I'm sure you know that your car isn't as fast as most basic RWD vehicles out there stock for stock.

MARTIN

01 s2ks dont run 14 flat. And the last thing I do, is bench race.. I hate mag racing, thats solely for ignorant *****... All #'s posted have either been by my personal experience or by others.

And why would you want me to bring up your vert? I have one too..

H22a/13bt

wow u are retared....
10x the car? Like i said, but you choose not to read. Dude I'm not a "drag" type of person I've owned plenty of old school Honda's that could reel in S2K's at a real track (including yes, a 1990 Civic Si) I live for road racing and touge runs!

PLease explain to me WHY IS THE S2000 SOOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN THE Si. I bet you can't tell me ANYTHING other than its a bit faster, and handles better stock for stock its got a crazy suspension on it already. That's it. Oh and it looks soooo good right? Please....

Drive the ******* car before you try to verbally "hand it it's ***"
It handles superbly, it's very quick, and it DOES respond better to mods than the F series does, so just accept it. I would rather have an Si EVEN IF I RACED CIRCUIT! Like i said again, I've driven both cars... Like the Si better plain and simple. And on a circuit course if i was driving the new Si...I am willing to bet that I could hang very well with an S2000....it's people like you who hype cars like these up so much.

BlkS5TII

Let's see...
RWD
Low CG
Built stock suspension (not to mention double wishbone > the Si's macpherson)
50/50 balance
Better chassis stiffness
Lower polar moment
Weighs 200lbs less stock, and when gutted for racing it gets down to <2200lbs.
(My S2k weighed in at 2700lbs vs. the Si's published curb weight of 2900lbs.)

Slalom:
Si: 67mph
S2k: 71mph
Not even close.


Let's not forget that the S2k was built as a one-off sports car chassis. The S2k is the much better platform for any sort of performance use. Mod for mod the S2k will still come out on top. Your only defense for the Civic is that it "takes better to mods," which I already told you is no longer true. Better bolt-ons have since been developed that actually provide real gains. I'm sure you already saw the link I provided to the '06 S2k putting down 240whp with nothing but a test pipe. What does the '06 Si get to with just a test pipe?

You live for touge runs? Well how about the BMI touge run champion for a couple years straight? An S2k. What came in second place? An S2k.

Your old Civic can reel in S2k's? Let me guess, you mean S2ks that don't have anywhere near the same amount of mods. Congratulations. I can strap a rocket to a piece of ****, but that doesn't make it a better car. Oh, but it would be faster.

You could hang with an S2k on a circuit in a new Si? Cut the b.s. and provide real facts. It's not near as fast, and it doesn't come close in handling potential or stock vs. stock.

S2k > Si (except when you need groceries)