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Old Sep 18, 2015 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmenMAxx
Found a write-up for a Quaife CRX kit. I am guessing it should be a very similar process for our FD's.

http://www.accutach.com/Documents/QuaifeRackUpgrade.pdf
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Old Sep 19, 2015 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ArmenMAxx
Found a write-up for a Quaife CRX kit. I am guessing it should be a very similar process for our FD's.

http://www.accutach.com/Documents/QuaifeRackUpgrade.pdf
Nice find. Anyone know what parts should be replaced when doing this conversion? Pinion bearing is NLA from Mazda but if we could get one measured I'm sure McMaster-Carr has an alternative.
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Old Sep 19, 2015 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Brekyrself
Nice find. Anyone know what parts should be replaced when doing this conversion? Pinion bearing is NLA from Mazda but if we could get one measured I'm sure McMaster-Carr has an alternative.
The OEM pinion shaft sits on three bearings. Two regular ball-bearings and one needle-bearing.

I'm sure the ball-bearings could be easily sourced. However...the needle bearing is not easy to find. Koyo makes them but last I time I checked you had to order 1000's of them. Maybe I just don't know how to search though.

When you take apart the rack you easily access the ball-bearings, however the needle bearing sits a bit deeper inside and if not damaged, I would't not touch it.
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Old Sep 22, 2015 | 07:56 PM
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Old Sep 23, 2015 | 09:23 AM
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so am I correct that it's going from the stock 2.9 turns to 2.4 turns making it a 17% reduction in wheel movement? that would mean if I was in a turn previously where I turned the wheel 100 degrees from center that with the new rack I would only turn it 83 degrees from center? Are we to assume about an 18% increase in torque required to turn the wheel as well?
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Old Sep 23, 2015 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokey The Talon
so am I correct that it's going from the stock 2.9 turns to 2.4 turns making it a 17% reduction in wheel movement? that would mean if I was in a turn previously where I turned the wheel 100 degrees from center that with the new rack I would only turn it 83 degrees from center? Are we to assume about an 18% increase in torque required to turn the wheel as well?
not exactly, the focal point on your calculation should be on the steering wheel. Basically you are accelerating your driver input, by your calculation of 17%. Where it almost took 2.9 turns to completely turn your wheels radius you are now doing it in 2.4 turns.

Again for anyone who has driven with manual steering the torque / driver effort feels is not noticeable because the wheels are in motion. To figure out torque increase when stationary it would be a different calculation involved because you have to include measuring different variables. such as your tires resistance versus the decrease in your steering ratio, that would be my assumption, then again i'm not a mechanical engineer

Also thanks Matt Gold I will speak to Ben to see if that would work with deliveries.

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Old Sep 23, 2015 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalato
The OEM pinion shaft sits on three bearings. Two regular ball-bearings and one needle-bearing.

I'm sure the ball-bearings could be easily sourced. However...the needle bearing is not easy to find. Koyo makes them but last I time I checked you had to order 1000's of them. Maybe I just don't know how to search though.

When you take apart the rack you easily access the ball-bearings, however the needle bearing sits a bit deeper inside and if not damaged, I would't not touch it.
Good info. I'm trying to get my hands on a spare rack to spec out all the bearings. This would be great info for everyone to know if they want to change the bearings when doing this mod.
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 02:02 PM
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would it be possible to keep power steering with this mod?
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 04:10 PM
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would it be possible to keep power steering with this mod?
Unfortunately no.
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Since I'm coming into this late I want to recap to make sure I understand everything correctly. This group buy is for a Quaife rack and pinion gear set for an FD steering rack. This gear set will effectively reduce the ratio from 2.9 to 2.4 turns lock to lock, and will require the course thread 94-95 tie rods. The buy in is £196.40 with a 50% down payment of £98.20 due by 9/30/15 (sent to zeropiston @ shaw. ca). This does not include shipping expenses from Quaife to North America, duties and taxes, or individual shipping costs to our address. Does that sum everything up?

I really need a ballpark on the shipping & importation costs before I can bite the bullet. I'm sure Quaife has tons of experience shipping internationally. Can we push Ben for at least a rough estimate for the primary shipping, duties, and taxes?
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Originally Posted by 22GoinOn2
Since I'm coming into this late I want to recap to make sure I understand everything correctly. This group buy is for a Quaife rack and pinion gear set for an FD steering rack. This gear set will effectively reduce the ratio from 2.9 to 2.4 turns lock to lock, and will require the course thread 94-95 tie rods. The buy in is £196.40 with a 50% down payment of £98.20 due by 9/30/15 (sent to zeropiston @ shaw. ca). This does not include shipping expenses from Quaife to North America, duties and taxes, or individual shipping costs to our address. Does that sum everything up?

I really need a ballpark on the shipping & importation costs before I can bite the bullet. I'm sure Quaife has tons of experience shipping internationally. Can we push Ben for at least a rough estimate for the primary shipping, duties, and taxes?
Hi. Yes you summed up everything correctly.

Considering that the international shipment and taxes/duties (if applicable) will be divided among the 20 of us I'm pretty optimistic that it will be reasonable.

As we speak we are waiting to get more info on the international shipping. 0piston contacted Ben about this and we are waiting for his reply. So expect more details soon.
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Originally Posted by Spalato
Hi. Yes you summed up everything correctly.

Considering that the international shipment and taxes/duties (if applicable) will be divided among the 20 of us I'm pretty optimistic that it will be reasonable.

As we speak we are waiting to get more info on the international shipping. 0piston contacted Ben about this and we are waiting for his reply. So expect more details soon.
Excellent. I hope to hear back in time to meet the deadline.
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Has anyone else been playing the waiting game with the currency conversion?

1. 0piston
2. Rxmfn7
3. Armenmaxx LHD (50% paid)
4. Dguy
5. Pandazrx-7 LHD (50% paid)
6. Ohnono LHD
7. All sevens - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
8.13bersies - LHD (50% deposit paid )
9. ali123
10. Trout2
11. Spalato (50% deposit paid)
12. OneFast7 - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
13. Gommit87 - LHD
14. Ericsworld
15. Chris2ndGen
16. Andre the giant - LHD (50% paid)
17. Golliher
18. TurbosaurusRX - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
19. SilverTRD
20. Hazel324
21. emperorbob5 - LHD
22. atlxpat
23. Halfbridge - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
24. boost3d2
25. Neutron - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
26. Marcrx5
27. DocHoliday89 - LHD (50% deposit Paid)
28. wazway - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
29. Brekyrself - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
30. Kanho - LHD
31. Tys93r1fd - RHD CANADA (50% Deposit Paid )
32. Black93Rew - LHD
33. green lotus - RHD
34. Marky. - RHD (50% Deposit Paid)
35. 00SPEC - LHD USA
36. jasonn - LHD
37. mazdaFD - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
38. joel(PA) - LHD
39. asynchrony - LHD USA (50% Deposit Paid)
40. JBarron - LHD USA (50% deposit paid)
41. MattGold - LHD USA (50% Deposit Paid)
42. 22GoinOn2 - LHD USA (awaiting shipping estimate)
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Old Sep 25, 2015 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Andre The Giant
Has anyone else been playing the waiting game with the currency conversion?
haha I was thinking about this for a while. But the USD seems pretty stable now...slowly gaining value to the GBP. Hopefully this trend continues by the time we have to pay the remaining 50%...


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Old Sep 25, 2015 | 01:18 PM
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Well it seems we have 20 people who paid the deposit (I counted 0piston) so I guess we reached the minimum number required to make this happen! Cheers guys!
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Old Sep 25, 2015 | 05:11 PM
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I just sent my deposit

1. 0piston
2. Rxmfn7
3. Armenmaxx LHD (50% paid)
4. Dguy
5. Pandazrx-7 LHD (50% paid)
6. Ohnono LHD
7. All sevens - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
8.13bersies - LHD (50% deposit paid )
9. ali123
10. Trout2
11. Spalato (50% deposit paid)
12. OneFast7 - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
13. Gommit87 - LHD
14. Ericsworld
15. Chris2ndGen
16. Andre the giant - LHD (50% paid)
17. Golliher
18. TurbosaurusRX - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
19. SilverTRD
20. Hazel324
21. emperorbob5 - LHD
22. atlxpat
23. Halfbridge - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
24. boost3d2
25. Neutron - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
26. Marcrx5
27. DocHoliday89 - LHD (50% deposit Paid)
28. wazway - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
29. Brekyrself - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
30. Kanho - LHD CANADA (50% deposit paid)
31. Tys93r1fd - RHD CANADA (50% Deposit Paid )
32. Black93Rew - LHD
33. green lotus - RHD
34. Marky. - RHD (50% Deposit Paid)
35. 00SPEC - LHD USA
36. jasonn - LHD
37. mazdaFD - LHD (50% Deposit Paid)
38. joel(PA) - LHD
39. asynchrony - LHD USA (50% Deposit Paid)
40. JBarron - LHD USA (50% deposit paid)
41. MattGold - LHD USA (50% Deposit Paid)
42. 22GoinOn2 - LHD USA (awaiting shipping estimate)
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