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Old 09-05-09, 11:15 PM
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CA Rotary Extreme FC vmount interest

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I have completed the upgrades to the FD vmount set-ups and now I would like to work on FC vmount kits.

I would like to offer 3 kits for the FC as well.

Vmount made for stock turbo. good to support 350whp.
Vmount for track use (medium power) 350 to 450/475
Vmount for Drag use (high Power) 500+

Who here is interested in vmount for the FC.

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Old 09-07-09, 03:07 PM
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will it accomodate AC?

what is your projected price point and what will come with the kit?
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yes, you will still be able to use A/C because I will design it so that you can, it's very easy to do that.

The kit will have the Intercooler, modified radiator for vmount config, silicone 4ply hoses for the IC, 3ply for the rad. T-bolt clamps and all hardware needed for a bolt on config. It will also include a new radiator fan for the modified Radiator. Target price is 2000 to 2300 depending on what you get with the kit.

It will be very simular to the FD vmount kits.
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im interested, but it would be between yours and corksports, and whoever's is cheaper when im ready for my v-mount. i like p/s and a/c
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im interested, but it would be between yours and corksports, and whoever's is cheaper when im ready for my v-mount. i like p/s and a/c

I did not see a vmount kit on corksports site for the FC, do you have a direct link.
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corksport is trying to come in around $1000, reality of it is while FD owners may pony up $2000+, FC owners will not.
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1000, thats pretty low considering it cost me more than that to make one.

Sorry, but I can't sacrifice quaility for quantity.

I will make it right and make it out of the best stuff I can get, or it's not worth making it at all. Sometimes things are not done just for profit, it's done because it was needed.

Mishmoto is making copies of apexi cores and 3 inch radiators. With these pieces I could easily make a 1k kit. But I prefer to use already "proven" components.

Also copies on ebay is what brought down alot of the bigger aftermarket manufactures.

For me FC/FD/RX8, whatever other rotary powered car, I would not be cheap or allow myself to be catagorized as a person who wants something but will settle for a cheap copy of it.

I would want only the best for it.< this is not saying corksport is not the best, they are a kick azz company.

I wish the best for whoever makes vmounts for what ever car. I am anxious to see corksports kit.

Aslo it usually runs about 700 for the modified IC, silicone hoses and T-bolt clamps. About 600 for the modified radiator with silicone hoses and clamps, then you have to get the modified fans for the new radiator in vmount config, you have to make brackets for everything, make brackets for the AC to work, fab up some ducting. Also my vmount kits come with power steering coolers for the FD and will probably implimented into the FC if needed.

So for 1000, I would like to see what products are supplied with the kit.

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What would end up happening to you is someone will buy your top of the line kit and then copy it using cheaper materials.

Use a CX racing core, thats what alot of shops around here are using for 1000+hp cars, they also sell the bends, couplers, and t-clamps for a very reasonable price.

I checked your site about the FD V-mount kit, sure it looks nice and is made from the best stuff but reality is someone will end up copying your work and selling it for a fraction of the cost, and that sucks for a shop like yourself because you put the R&D into the project.
So you may want to offer 2 kits, one with more expensive cores, but I bet 99% of the customers will buy the cheaper of the 2.
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I'm interested.
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I'll be interested if this happens.
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Rob X X 7, I totally know where your coming from.

But, I really don't want to be associated with selling cheap knock off's. I agree that good stuff can be had at a cheaper price. But I want to offer the best product that has been race proven in drift and track environments.

The garret cores are very dense with fins and have a bar plate design. This does lower the CFM rate a little but what people don't realize it takes allot longer to heat these cores up and they cool down quick. This is very important for track/time attack/touge racing where you need the core to stay cooler.

Also, for the radiator, if you run a 3 inch core and a thermostat, you really don’t gain anything over a 2 inch core because the thermostat will maintain the same temps. A cooling fan will be more important to help maintain the temp along with the thermostat. You do need a thermostat in some set-ups because you need the water to stay in the radiator to have time to cool down before it returns to the engine. A bigger 3 inch core radiator is only considered for a rotary when it makes 500+ whp. There are many rotary powered cars doing fine on 2 inch cores.

The reason why I mention the radiator is because there are some brands out there that will try to market their product on a bigger core when it’s really not needed.

I'm not going to sell a customer a product that they don't need. This is why I will have multiple vmounts for your desired application.

If people want to copy me, go ahead. I at least know they will be copying a good design. But after seeing Rotary Extreme vmount kits lasting for years on track cars, it is safe to say the products have been proven. The big thing is in mounting hardware and the little details. This is what makes the kit special.

When someone buys my kit, they only need to buy one kit. The kit and all hardware supplied will last the lifetime of the car as long as proper care is done on the kit. Do not rip hoses on installation. Do not over tighten T-bolt clamps so that it bends the aluminum piping. Do not forget to flush your aluminum radiator if you track your car. Water and water wetter alone will allow rust/corrosion deposits. Radiator fluid is not allowed on the track.

Also, one style vmount set-up is not ideal because it will hurt performance on the FC because everyone does not set-up their car the same way.

When I make a product, I make it so that it will last through years of abuse. I do not make a product to make allot of money.

I have a full time job which is my career. This business is my passion but not my main source of income. So I am not pressured into to compromising the quality of my product to make fast cash. Also because I do have a job, even if I don't sell much, I will never have to close this business. Rotary Extreme is here to stay. So all the products I make will always be available.

I had so much respect for Rotary Extreme and the hard work that Chuck put into it. I will not allow the company’s reputation be compromised with unproven products or to be known for making cheap copies of things....bodykits was the exception, but I no longer sell bodykits.

Rotary Extreme has great pride in their work. I would rather make $1 and sell a kick as product then make $100 selling some cheap affordable kit.

I do this for the community, to provide a good quality proven product, one that will last and keep the customer happy.

This is also why I beefed up the FD vmount. I make less money, but it is now a more solid product.

Ben

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it would be a tough sell, I know using the cores you mention a shop would end up getting someone for that price range your going to sell them at, there is alot to be said for not having your car sit at someone's shop waiting to get worked on so that appeals to me.

For a person like myself I could sell off my current IC and cooling set up to offset the costs.

I would like to be able to turn the AC on in my car when its 85+ degrees and im sitting in traffic and not have to stare at the temperature gauge which is why the vmount is sounding good.

Do you plan on offering ductwork like you offer for the FD?
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Id be interested in checking one out for my FC. I'm looking at the GB for my FD as well...
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Yes, I will offer ducting as an option. Aluminum and Carbon Fiber.

If all goes well, I will have a finished product avaible for GB around income tax refund time..lol.

I can promise you that it will be a bolt on kit. But you may have to have the a/c lines slightly modified.
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I already have AN fittings on my ac lines
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Sounds great!
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The FC vmount kit will come with everything needed to be a bolt in even if some AC lines need to be moved I will have a fix for it. I will be working from a stock turbo II so I will be able to insure it's done right.
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I'm interested.

When's projected completion date?

Also, I'd be for:

1. Keeping P/S
2. Keeping A/C Lines
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Everything will be retained.

Once I get into it, I will sort out the fine details. But you will not lose any of your cars factory options. For P/S I would like to include a P/S cooler.

You will get the best in the kit that can be offered.

Examples:

3 sizes for the I/C for you to choose from for your application.
I use mainly Garrett cores because they have more fins and are more dense. While this may cause .5 to 1lb pressure drop, you will make more power because they will stay cooler longer and are more efficient at cooling.
Nomex silicone hoses rated to 500F
saddle style T-Bolt clamps.

It will be a complete bolt on kit, I will make it so that it is.

I myself, will just have to wait for the finished product.
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Once again, I appreciate the service and dedication you are providing to us FC owners! Even though most of us are cheap compared to FD owners.
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I do not think FC owners are cheap. I think that alot of new FC owners are the younger generation because the car is very affordable now. So when someone wants something for their car and realize how much it cost they go with a more affordable option.

In reality. The FC and FD are both rotary engine powered RX-7's. The supporting mods are the same so why should and how could the cost of those parts be diffirent.

The FC parts really can not be cheaper then the FD parts because they both use the same basic engineerd parts.

I will one day own my own FC AE, The FC is a very sexy car.
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I do not think FC owners are cheap. I think that alot of new FC owners are the younger generation because the car is very affordable now. So when someone wants something for their car and realize how much it cost they go with a more affordable option.

In reality. The FC and FD are both rotary engine powered RX-7's. The supporting mods are the same so why should and how could the cost of those parts be diffirent.

The FC parts really can not be cheaper then the FD parts because they both use the same basic engineerd parts.

I will one day own my own FC AE, The FC is a very sexy car.
I really doubt you are going to get more than a handful of people to sign up for this. That being said, props to you for doing it right.

The fact that FC owners are the younger generation makes it less likely that they can afford 2k for a well engineered product. If you could get your price down to say 1200-1500 you have a better shot at people going your route as opposed to a DIY vmount or a ebay special fmic.
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I really doubt you are going to get more than a handful of people to sign up for this. That being said, props to you for doing it right.

The fact that FC owners are the younger generation makes it less likely that they can afford 2k for a well engineered product. If you could get your price down to say 1200-1500 you have a better shot at people going your route as opposed to a DIY vmount or a ebay special fmic.
I understand, but see my post #7

I can not sell a compromised kit for 1200 to 1500 when it cost me more then that to make it.

All my kits are hand made and not on some assembly line. Infact, all my kits are made by 2 people, Myself and my fabricator.

For whoever wants to save money, go use mishimoto as your cores.

I prefer to use race proven products and will continue to use the best that I can.

I will not sacrifice the quailty for quantity.

I prefer to have an outstanding product that will take the abuse of track/drift/togue racing.

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