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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 07:30 PM
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One bent apex seal spring

In the process of rebuilding the 12a out of my '85 which, despite running perfectly, leaked profusely from the dowel o-rings. Everything is apart and I'm part way through inspection, and the only issue I've found so far is that one (1) of the apex seal springs is bent. I'm 99% sure it came out like this (as in I didn't do it!), and doesn't seem to have been causing problems... but obviously I'm not putting it back.

Question is: Would it be stupid to buy a single spring for just this one apex, or should I just order a full set and change them all? It's a stock engine, heavily worked on carb and exhaust - nothing crazy. Just want it reliable (and not gushing oil) for regular use.

(Also going to the later flat-style corner seal springs because one old one somehow escaped between pulling the rear iron and setting it on the bench, and I can't for the life of me find it)

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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 08:11 PM
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You can never go wrong replacing internal seals, springs, o-rings, and bearings. I wouldn't reuse that apex seal spring. I also think that moving to the FD corner seal springs is a great move regardless of how many of the old style ones you lose
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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
You can never go wrong replacing internal seals, springs, o-rings, and bearings. I wouldn't reuse that apex seal spring. I also think that moving to the FD corner seal springs is a great move regardless of how many of the old style ones you lose
It makes sense. The newer springs are probably, if nothing else, a little stiffer without having been compressed for however long and heat cycled a zillion times. I'll be doing all the o-rings/soft stuff, hard seals so far all seem a-okay (and the rotor housings are in fantastic shape, thankfully).

Oh and I found the last wire style corner spring but I'm still going to replace them, those wire springs are pretty janky and the flat ones are cheap
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 12:18 AM
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how many miles on the engine? chances are good the they're out of spec if u mic them. i'd put new in it. depending on the ware u probably can reuse the metal oil rings. i was able to reuse mine when i did my build yrs ago. the problem i had when reusing everything was low compression during hot starts. if i remember right, i put new apex seals/springs, side seals/reused springs, corner seals/FD style springs. shaft/rotor bearings, all gasket, seals, O-rings needed. viton O-rings for the oil seals.
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 08:53 AM
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3mm apex seal springs usually look that way for me after a handful of miles. I try to replace them any time I have an engine apart.
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 09:28 AM
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how many miles on the engine? chances are good the they're out of spec if u mic them. i'd put new in it. depending on the ware u probably can reuse the metal oil rings. i was able to reuse mine when i did my build yrs ago. the problem i had when reusing everything was low compression during hot starts. if i remember right, i put new apex seals/springs, side seals/reused springs, corner seals/FD style springs. shaft/rotor bearings, all gasket, seals, O-rings needed. viton O-rings for the oil seals.
No idea on the miles on the engine, it's not original to the car (all signs point to it being an '81-82 engine, and it's in an '85) but wear-wise, everything is in good shape. It started without hesitation hot or cold, only tearing down because it was misplacing most of its oil via first the dowel o-ring. I'll plan on replacing all of them (the non-bent ones are juuuuuuuuuust barely within spec so fresh ones should be an upgrade).

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3mm apex seal springs usually look that way for me after a handful of miles. I try to replace them any time I have an engine apart.
This is the only one that doesn't have a nice smooth arch shape, but they seem a bit tired so I'll change them out. Would much rather spend the little extra now than have to take it apart again in a couple years
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