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Old Sep 18, 2012 | 06:01 AM
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Question Oil with high zinc content

First off, I want to state that this is NOT a "Which oil do I use lol" or "Synthetics are bad?!" thread. I've already determined that I'm going to use synthetic Amsoil 20W-50 on my blocked-OMP engine and premixing Klotz Techniplate R-50.

My question is this: after searching the forums, I couldn't really find any straight answer about The positive/negative of zinc content in the oil. I'm looking at 2 Amsoil 20W-50 oils, a regular one and one labeled "Z-Rod". The Z-Rod is described as "containing a high-zinc formulation that prevents wear on critical engine components and a blend of rust and corrosion inhibitors for added protection during long-term storage."

Does a high-zinc formulation have any adverse effects on the components of the rotary, or negatively affect the way it performs?

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Old Sep 20, 2012 | 07:01 AM
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Still looking for informative responses!
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Old Sep 21, 2012 | 11:49 PM
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Really?! NOBODY has ever had this question before?
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Old Sep 22, 2012 | 12:46 AM
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My last oil change i switched to brad penn 15w-40. The added zinc helps greatly with lubricity especially when oil pressure drops in your system like when in a sustained high g corner. All the racing oil we use at our shop has a large concentration of zinc for this very purpose. The only downside that i have heard of is reduced catalyst life . . .
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Old Sep 22, 2012 | 10:58 AM
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This thread should help answer your question..

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...y-08-a-770726/
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Old Sep 22, 2012 | 11:31 AM
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Supposedly the only drawback of high zinc content is if the engine burns oil then it will reduce catalytic converter life. That is the only negative I have read.
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Old Sep 22, 2012 | 03:48 PM
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Great read, thank you! I don't run a catalytic converter, so that won't be a problem. Looks like I'll go ahead and purchase the Z-Rod one.

Thanks for everyone's input!
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I run Brad Penn race oil. and here is some good reading.
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...y-08-a-770726/
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by silverfdturbo6port
I run Brad Penn race oil. and here is some good reading.
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...y-08-a-770726/
You Use E85/E98?
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You Use E85/E98?
Nope. Just gas. Brad penn dont get along with E fuel from what i hear.




Nice try
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Originally Posted by Laxfreak3557
My last oil change i switched to brad penn 15w-40. The added zinc helps greatly with lubricity especially when oil pressure drops in your system like when in a sustained high g corner. All the racing oil we use at our shop has a large concentration of zinc for this very purpose. The only downside that i have heard of is reduced catalyst life . . .
The Development of Lubricating Oils for Rotary Racing Engines

Shouldn't be using high ZDDP oil to mask issues with your oiling setup. Idemitsu determined that ZDDP is detrimental to high load operation in rotary engines for reasons listed in the above article.
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A good race oil is not going to be bad for your rotary. 98% of the off the shelf conventional oils out there are designed for emissions and there is alot of lubricating properties that they have reduced and completely taken out of current conventional oils.

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The Development of Lubricating Oils for Rotary Racing Engines

Shouldn't be using high ZDDP oil to mask issues with your oiling setup. Idemitsu determined that ZDDP is detrimental to high load operation in rotary engines for reasons listed in the above article.
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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by silverfdturbo6port
Nope. Just gas. Brad penn dont get along with E fuel from what i hear.




Nice try

I used BP but now im going to run E....Dunno what to use now.
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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 02:54 PM
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Their is others out there that are good like BP but safe for E fuel. Just search synthetic race fuels.
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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by silverfdturbo6port
Their is others out there that are good like BP but safe for E fuel. Just search synthetic race fuels.
Theres tons of stuff on the market, no doubt. Im just sided to the "green stuff". I know few "ins and outs" about it that i would probably never find out about any others. My opinion, nothing else. The combatibilty issue just sucks.

Originally Posted by silverfdturbo6port
Nope. Just gas. Brad penn dont get along with E fuel from what i hear.




Nice try

Originally Posted by darkphantom:
hey islander just to let you know i have a gt42 with an upgraded 80mm wheel on the turbo and i made 627 @ 28lbs..... and the funny part was that was with a boost leak lol..... so ya your in a deal of much more power...


P>S with the boost leak fixed we did 557 @ 15lbs

until you hit more than 28lbs the turbo is not at its full poential [/QUOTE]


Originally Posted by silverfdturbo6port
Damn dude thats alot of power for such a big turbo at low boost. what is your peak tq timing at with the E fuel? Just curious cuz im debating on switching to E.
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Originally Posted by silverfdturbo6port
A good race oil is not going to be bad for your rotary. 98% of the off the shelf conventional oils out there are designed for emissions and there is alot of lubricating properties that they have reduced and completely taken out of current conventional oils.
Do you have any evidence to refute idemitsu's claims that run contrary to what you just said? Or did you just regurgitate some blanket statement from that thread without reading the sae paper?
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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 05:12 PM
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Ohh gotcha ah hahahahaha. Man you pay attention well lol.
Yea I only have one station in town for E85 so ive been debating on it. Also i have only been running the BP oil this last year with good luck. I hear pro's and cons on every oil out there anymore. But if i do go E fuel I will for sure have to ditch the BP.
ANyone know any other good oils like Bp that is more compatible?

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Theres tons of stuff on the market, no doubt. Im just sided to the "green stuff". I know few "ins and outs" about it that i would probably never find out about any others. My opinion, nothing else. The combatibilty issue just sucks.




Originally Posted by darkphantom:
hey islander just to let you know i have a gt42 with an upgraded 80mm wheel on the turbo and i made 627 @ 28lbs..... and the funny part was that was with a boost leak lol..... so ya your in a deal of much more power...


P>S with the boost leak fixed we did 557 @ 15lbs

until you hit more than 28lbs the turbo is not at its full poential
[/QUOTE]
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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ninesixtwo
Do you have any evidence to refute idemitsu's claims that run contrary to what you just said? Or did you just regurgitate some blanket statement from that thread without reading the sae paper?
People around here aren't exactly sharp or willing to do some research on their own. I have seen this and several other papers regarding development of lubricants for rotary engines which goes against most of the BS on the internet but most people will just stick with "forum knowledge" which is for some weird reason stored in FAQ section
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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ninesixtwo
Do you have any evidence to refute idemitsu's claims that run contrary to what you just said? Or did you just regurgitate some blanket statement from that thread without reading the sae paper?
Your reading a statement made by one company. I guess since one company says so it must be right. Weather is a f1 engine or rotary engine the same lubricating principles apply when trying to lubricate and fight wear.
do what you wish and be rude all you want since you know it all.
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