Ahhh

Well, if one keeps on spinning it, maybe he should take it easier.

What pressures do you guys run in the tyres at the track ?

I used 2.7bar at front and 2.2 at the rear, but I wasn't completely comfortable with it.

Also, that big bulky steering wheel doesn't allow me for heel-toeing, making my braking and downshifting look like n00b

 

Dont worry, since I'm a size 46, my feet have barely enough room to press each of the pedals independently , much less heel-toe. I know its worse, but I just rely on my speed of movement in order to shift as fast as possible......

 

It's not the speed to shift, but rather catching higher revs of the lower gear or the rear wheels may hop, skid or lock up under hard braking into corner...
And then you turn it into a mild oversteer, slide through the apex of the corner and look like a pro

It's not the fastest way around the track but it sure attracts looks

 

You can produce the same effect by blipping the throttle quickly just before shifting into the next -lower- gear

No need to heel-toe in this case, since this is used only to brake while shifting, and also to power-shift at the same time

I just shift to a lower gear before the turn, and slightly use the clutch until I need full power, or -and this is the case where I rely on my speed- make the shift *just* before or even inside the corner......using conventional methods however.....

 

I want to blip the throttle DURING braking. I'm used to doing it on my CRX (have 300mm Momo wheel in it, so doing it is no problem) and want to do it in my Rex.

Shifting midcorner or under braking & turning in is a good recipe for locking up the rear. I certanly don't like it doing whie I'm cornering at 100km/h in tight turns and with a concrete fence right next to the track

Plus, I don't want to abuse the clutch that much.

 

OK, then yeah, you need to do the heel-toe thing.....
As for shifting mid-corner, thats why I said its worse, not as fast, and you must be VERY fast to do it properly However, I have never -not yet anyway - done this wrong, but admittedly I have never done this on the track.....

 

I figured you never tried it on the track, where you're on the edge of the grip all the time during coming into corner, apexing and exiting. It can unsettle the rear and you need to correct it, loosing time. And we all want to be fastest

 

Maybe you should spend less time talking out your *** Kim and more time finding that horsepower. Then you might have a clue what it is like to have an RX7 putting down power out of the turns. Track days are for fun. Spinning 2 times in the rain (at mantorp) was easy. I was suprised I didn't spin 100 times. Unlike your car, I don't have to drop the clutch to get the back to snap out. At Kinnekulle it was all me (which I told you since you didn't see it happen). I carried to much speed up the crest of the hill and got to far to the outside, once at the top... I couldn't make the sweeper to the right and had to lift. Next time your at a track. Try to carry some speed...not like you did at Kinnekulle. Remember you were the one down shifting to 3rd while going under the bridge. In my FD I was taking it in 4th.

It was a shame your car got hot and you barrow my thermostat cap. Then maybe? we could have had some fun together on the track. I let Tommy pass me 2 times on the straight because he has alot of track time at Kinnekulle and he was very nice to help us learn a new track. Track time is everything. You know I have raced open wheel car is the States for many years and did very well. But, everything is a learning curve. For me, it's driving a 1400 kilo FD, with 4 & half year old tires and 300hp. Not a 750 pound race car with racing slicks! I hope to push the car more eachtime and have fun, hopefully not damaging it in the process. It's not a race car. It's a very exspensive street car not like yours.

So, to end this long vent..... We have had tons of good laughs with all are mishaps and get together. But Kim...you need to move on from the weekly Oliver bashing. It's funny the first few times but get's pretty old the 10th time...etc

Der er op til dig, min ven!

 

jeg trykker bare på dine knapper, Oliver, nogle gange rammer jeg den rigtige-Undskyld


Next time we go to the track, I promise to take you for a spin

 

I dare anyone to carry some speed on GoodYear NCT, you would have to have ***** of steel or just dont care about your car, these tires suck at the trackNext spring Im shopping for quality tires, the GY´s was what I could afford when I was going through inspection, 2000dkr/264euros more and I could have bought Bridgestone PP2
Next time, my friend, next time

 

Its always the tires....

Its funny how many blamed their times on the tires on the trackdays, but you see they can't heel-toe, don't have a clue about racing line and think that flooring it and spinning wheels (fwd) in midcorner is fast...


No pun intended

 

Actually (and this is for both Oliver and Cruiser), almost every rally/F1 driver has said that the best time can be achieved only when driving on clean, "soft", and as mellow as possible lines.

Drifting, spining, oversteering, understeering etc etc are ALL situations/effects that MUST be avoided in order to achieve the best time possible. Even a 180-degree turn can be navigated without oversteering, and still achieve the same time (or close enough anyway). In EVERY other type of corner, clean-cut lines are the best way to go.......

So, if you *really* want to go for the best time possible (which means a lot less fun), you can forget all about drifting, spinning, power oversteering, weight transfers, heel-toeing, double-clutching, granny shifting etc and just concentrate on finding the best line, stick to it, and go as fast as possible.......which almost never requires any of the above

 

I cannot granny shift, but I can granpa shift very well.... My granpa is 81years old and he has helped me a lot....

 

These things do matter if you want to go smooth. Trust me.

 

not that discussion again... Boys, why don't we talk about things we do know about? Ace are you a race driver? Thought not. Cruiser, are you? Didn't think so either. So stop arguing about things you only know because you read it somewhere, or have been told by a guy who had been told by his girlfriends dad, who knew a guy... you get the picture.
If you guys know all about how to race, then go ahead and win some races.
As long as you're just a bunch of old guys bitching about how to race, please quit it, yes?
Oliver was just right when he said track days are for fun. All the rest is useless crap. Had a good time? Well, then it has been a good track day.
I'm getting really tired of you guys always discussing this drifting/powersteering/wheightshifting ****. Leave it for the pro's, yes? You both aren't, so just let the others have some fun.
That said: let's all be friends again, and stop the Oliver bashing, Kim! Just get overhere (both of you) and get those decent tires! I paid 100 euro per tire for 225/50/15 Bridgestones Potenza. Seems a lot better then what you guys pay.

 

NO

Actually I do know how to race, both on tarmac and on gravel, BECAUSE I HAVE A FEW HOURS OF RACE TRACK TIME!!!!! I'm not a pro, as you put it, but I have made several laps in Megara, Kartodromo, and in Anavysos (you dont know these names, but they should sound familiar to Fanis).

So, when I talk about how to negotiate a turn (again, both on gravel and on tarmac), I have been there, and I do know what I'm talking about....

OK, just needed to get that out of my chest.......I'm cool now

 

and now cruiser is going to say he has some track experience too, and we are back where we started...

 

Probably, but this is what talking about track time means: acquiring experience, and then talking about techniques, errors, habits, different methods, etc etc......

 

Sorry to intrude, but the names Antonis said indeed sound familiar....
O.k. you can continue now.....

 

I do have track experience and I happen to be in the top3 if not first usually.

On another note, when I was younger I used to play racing simulations and happened to be two times winner of national simracing contest (earning over $2k in the process) (GP2, F1RS, GPL).

So I do know about theory about weight transfer, trail-braking, heel-toeing, ....
And I use in it everyday driving and also on the track. It helps me drive smooth and fast if need be.

So NO, as far as I'm concerned we shouldn't end this debate. I like talking about this stuff. If you don't, then don't read this thread.

No pun intended, but I needed to get this off my chest.

Cheers!

 

A debate should be intresting. There's nothing intresting about two guys saying "yes-no" to eachother all the time. And we have had this discussion too often, that's why I'm getting tired of it.
In ten years you guys are still going to say the same thing. Unless you go out on track together and TEST eachothers techniques. Otherwise this won't be a debate, it's just going to be another boring thread.
You want to know how to drive? Ask Schumacher, he should know.
Want to learn to race? Then go out on track. What can you learn from a forum? It'll only be helpfull if you actually go out and test. So invite Ace for a holiday, and let us know who was faster.

 

............however, I will have to buy a car first

 

Hijack My ***** > yours

 

Come on, response???
just say yes

 

yes
my *****> yours.....