Anthony Rodrigues

As many ECU's begin life as one persons version of correct, can you please post what is important to you as a tuner or a user in a realistic product. What format for software do you prefer, or do you favor handset adjustable ECU's. Any constructive input will be valued, and this is not a comparisonof existing units.........
Thank you - Anthony Rodrigues

SPOautos

I want to be able to tell it what mods I have and it just make some calculations and tune itselft.....lol wouldnt that be nice.

I like both the controller and laptop use. Currently I'm running the PFC with the datalogit and that allows me to use the controller as well as hook in a laptop and I really like that. It allows me to monitor things while I'm just driving around town without lugging a laptop but if I want to do some serious tuning a laptop is easier. With both you can get the best of both worlds. If it came with its own wideband build in where the sensor pluged in the side that would be nice as long as they didnt rip everyone off on the sensor. If it had the built in sensor and egt input maybe it could auto tune from scratch. You just plug in the afr and egt you want and let it adjust fuel and timing to get you there. With me not having access to a rotary specialist with a dyno or even a wideband, a set up like that would be awsome. Hell, I'm going to end up buying all that stuff anyway I might as well get it in one easy package so they can all work together for me. Would that even be possible???

Dataloging is a must and if it can datalog onboard that would be nice. I like the ability to datalog ANY or all parameters so that if the only thing I wanted to datalog were my coolant temps I could.

I dont know, these are things I'm just coming up with on the fly I'm sure if I think about it some more I could come up with a ton of stuff.

Oh yea set it up where you can tell it what conversions you want like psi versus bar or what ever so different people all over the world dont have to use a conversion that thier not familiar with.

You going to build us our dream computer???

Later,
STEPHEN

RETed

Something fast and competent enough to run closed-loop under WOT conditions!&nbsp No need to run maps!



-Ted

RICE RACING

Sequential operation for 2 to 4 rotor engines ability to control up to three seperate spark plugs per rotor up to 4 rotor engines.
3D fuel and Ignition maps.
User defined up to 32 RPM and 16 Load sites = 512 sites.
Eight auxiliary outputs other than fuel pump control.
Auxiliary outputs can be defined for boost control, nitrous oxide, staged injectors, AC, fan control, idle valve etc...
Traction Control.
Flat Shift
Launch Control
Anti-Lag.
Data Logging.
Available with high current drivers if required.
AutoTune option.
Compatible with Motec Dash.

Lap top controled, in windows type software.

RICE RACING

Oh yeah, before I get flamed ! These are all available now in at least two products I can think of (bar the multy spark plug control i.e split on three plugs up to 4 rotor engine)

Current price is around $2600Aus so if you can develope something the same with the same accuracy specs but extra ignition capacity then you will be on a winner.

If you want the accuracy specs I would require then I would list those, but somehow I think you do not care to hear what I have to say, so I will leave it at that.

So who will make this ultimate ECU ?

peejay

Never tuned an ECU before, but something that is able to take into account multiple feedback input - let's say a wideband, a knock sensor, and an EGT sensor - and cross-reference that to known engine parameters (that'd have to be programmed in ). Something, in other words, that takes in to account everything that a human tuner would.

On the flip side of the coin, how about a decent programmable system that is competitive with the price of a performance carb? Strip away all the unimportant crap - just the bare necessary for the engine. Strip it down bare-bones so that average joes can afford the tuneability of EFI at carb prices. Not everybody needs everything that most EFI systems offer, and it's typically the people who can't spare the extra money.

kabooski

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On the flip side of the coin, how about a decent programmable system that is competitive with the price of a performance carb? Strip away all the unimportant crap - just the bare necessary for the engine. Strip it down bare-bones so that average joes can afford the tuneability of EFI at carb prices. Not everybody needs everything that most EFI systems offer, and it's typically the people who can't spare the extra money. [/B][/QUOTE]

Hawk EMS
MT-8
SDS

Node

iTrader: (1)

Do you mind listing those two products?

HWO

He's talking about the Autronic SMC2 ?? am i right?

As soon as a read the 32rpm points and 16 load points i clicked that he was talking about an autronic system

I'd like to see 45 load points on a 3BAR set up. closed loop as per Ted's dream and about 10-12 user definable outputs auxilary outputs

Node

iTrader: (1)

you know what'd be nice also. more customizeable use of the inputs and outputs
possibly some sort of simple programming in case you have some multiplying factors to add in.
actually, more like excell

SPOautos

Being able to tune each rotor individually if someone wants too. I've heard reports that if you have a 11.2 afr that its really just an avg between the 2 rotors and that the rear rotor can be as much as 20% leaner than the front.

STEPHEN

crispeed

That would be really nice!
For now I would settle for 45 load points on a 4-bar set up.
Presently contemplating to take on a 32 load point set up with a 5-bar map sensor. A tuning nightmare in my opinion!

crispeed
87 Rx-7 TII
9.204@150.47mph
2600lbs
un-tubbed

Anthony Rodrigues

Thanks Guys,
How important is egt input and what would you like it to be refrenced to, or would you like it to be data only or perhaps, limiter orientated.
Rice you wont be flamed by me, information is what I asked for.
Regards- Anthony Rodrigues

RICE RACING

It would be nice to have, I would like it as per the other tables "freely definable" by the user say a 10x10 speed load table that you can input in variables (EGT) and then it can retard the timming or add a fuel multiplier factor to the base maps. The system Iuse at the moment has this type of tunning philosophy and I realy like the freedom it offers the user in selecting where abd when what resolution is required, This IF you need it you CAN use it accuracy is a feature I like.

Nice to see we have got over our "brand" problems, I would still like to know who will build such a system, there are MANY good unit out there now who have almost all the features but are no 100% marketed towards the rotary "limited market obviously". I like the system I use now with a few limitations it is Almost perfect, and is damn good value for money when you look at othe Brands such as Magnetti Marrelli, Ohle Buhle, Zytec, Bosch, & Motec which are the only other brands I have found that offer the same features with the same accuracy.

If your ECU manufacturer is up to the task of meeting these "specifications:" then I for one would be interested, as I am sure MANY people will be. I think the feauture of ECUs will only get better and cheaper, after ALL that is what a free market economy is about.

RICE RACING

Auto tune takes the "nightmare" part out, The only thing that is a nightmare is the cost of their damn Wideband (0 to 1 volt linearized O2 output !) that interfaces into the ECU !!!! That will change soon so I hear

Anthony Rodrigues

Thanks guys,
Please continue this and I will try to get back in maybe 10 days. I will be in the US. If anyone is at Englishtown, drop in on me with Siguel.
Regards-Anthony

SPOautos

Hey, wouldnt want to take a detour to Birmingham, Alabama would ya? You could come tune my car haha

STEPHEN

Greg

I was there looking for you but I couldnt find you guys, siguel never showed up

Anthony Rodrigues

Greg,
Unfortunately Siguel was there and like Abel broke after only one pass. I think with these other pros running hard the boys may be pushing the envelope a little to hard. I did how ever meet up with Judge ITO, HI there! Judge. Should be back in the next month. Hopefully we will meet next time Greg.
Regards- Anthony.

Judge Ito

Hey Anthony, thanks for that seminar on the Micro-Tech LT series. looking to catch up with you soon. Hey Anthony tell Rohan he needs to Juice that wicked 290rwhp bridgeport with a nice 225 shot of Nitrous, 290 + 225 = 515 rwhp N/A N20 beast!!!!!

Anthony Rodrigues

Judge,
I wish we could, even if Rohan would let me I dont think the officials would appreciate it. Good thought though, I've nearly convinced him to give it a blast down the 1/4, perhaps he may let me do it for that. That would be a good test for our new centre bearing crank.
Regards- Anthony

Micro-MoTeC

Well this is quite simple in all terms.

IT HAS TO MAKE THE CUSTOMER HAPPY!

It has to do everything you programm it to do.
If the user is unknowledged on the EMS' opperation then he/she should'nt be attempting to use/tune it.

A perfect ECU see's the purchaser get his money/enjoyment's worth by which EMS choice he has chosen, not the runarounds/lie's/excuses brought upon by the so-called Aftermarket specialists bandwagon going round.

I'm quite possitive and CERTAIN that taken these opinions into consideration... MOST (95%) of aftermarket ECU's are perfect in each individual way.

cheers

P.S. The nick is by no means a slander, far from it. For i have over 10 years experience on Motec & 6 years on Microtech. Both have met there criteria in FULL for my customers who at ALL times are faced between the decision of the two, or a certain preference they have.

rpm_pwr

Proper OMP control. I am threatening to make my own one of these because I am sick to death of having to have the factory ECU still wired into my loom just so I can run the damn pump.