ultimate emanage question???
08-15-06, 12:36 PM
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ultimate emanage question???
Ok I am installing the Emanage ULTIMATE into my car and I have a few questions, If you have the emanage blue or gold installed I believe the connections may be similar so any input would help
1. For jumpers 1-6 the manual indicates these are for injector input/output signal. It says leave the jumper open to use the injector map to trim and add fuel or connect 1-2 to add fuel only. Now im not sure which to do but it would seem better to go with the open option?
2. For jumper 7 the manual indicates this jumper is for the ignition input signal 1-2 is for normal (pull down type) and 2-3 is Honda distributor type (pull up type) now for this one the second option seems best because there are two crank angle wires indicated on the wiring diagram that Greddy provides and it two wires needed to wire it up as a Honda type (pull up type) I also read somewhere that this was the way the original emange is wired up. However I am not sure?
3. Jumper 8 is the Ignition Input Signal 1-2 is for a 5 volt system and 2-3 is for a 12 volt system. I believe the fc3s use a 12 volt however I am not sure.
4. Jumper 9 is for the Airflow/output signal leave the jumper open for normal (sensor signal increases as airflow increases) and 1-2 for Mazda hot wire system (signal decreases as airflow increases) Now my first instinct is to go with the Mazda hot wire system but I would like to be sure also the manual later mentions something about a Karman Vortex type air flow meter?
5. Lastly I have a question about my injectors. First I don’t know how to determine if my injectors are low or high impedance, I am puzzled because the donor car i took the ecu, wire harness, and engine from has the little resistor box I have read about ( the one that is supposed to boost the impedance, it is located under the factory air box and has a weird heat sink thing on it) but when I switched all the stuff out of the car I left that because it was on the harness that comes out of the drivers side. So how come my car is working without that resistor if I have low impendence injectors? (by the way both cars are 88) is there a way I can test them to know for sure what impedance my injectors are (and can I do this at the ecu instead of taking my manifold off?) if my impedance is low what’s the easiest way to boost it up, what resistor do I need exactly? And which wire do I put it on? Do I put one on each injector? I also had the idea of switching out for series 5 injectors I would just have to find some injectors because I already have the plugs, but I am not sure this would work because the ecu is still a series 4 but it should work because the emanage is designed to work with high impedance injectors only.
Sorry for all the questions I just like to deal in facts and find out the right way of installing something. It makes it hard when you read so many peoples different opinions and they all have something different to say. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. (by the way when I am done I will make a highly detailed write up so those after me wont have this headache I do!
1. For jumpers 1-6 the manual indicates these are for injector input/output signal. It says leave the jumper open to use the injector map to trim and add fuel or connect 1-2 to add fuel only. Now im not sure which to do but it would seem better to go with the open option?
2. For jumper 7 the manual indicates this jumper is for the ignition input signal 1-2 is for normal (pull down type) and 2-3 is Honda distributor type (pull up type) now for this one the second option seems best because there are two crank angle wires indicated on the wiring diagram that Greddy provides and it two wires needed to wire it up as a Honda type (pull up type) I also read somewhere that this was the way the original emange is wired up. However I am not sure?
3. Jumper 8 is the Ignition Input Signal 1-2 is for a 5 volt system and 2-3 is for a 12 volt system. I believe the fc3s use a 12 volt however I am not sure.
4. Jumper 9 is for the Airflow/output signal leave the jumper open for normal (sensor signal increases as airflow increases) and 1-2 for Mazda hot wire system (signal decreases as airflow increases) Now my first instinct is to go with the Mazda hot wire system but I would like to be sure also the manual later mentions something about a Karman Vortex type air flow meter?
5. Lastly I have a question about my injectors. First I don’t know how to determine if my injectors are low or high impedance, I am puzzled because the donor car i took the ecu, wire harness, and engine from has the little resistor box I have read about ( the one that is supposed to boost the impedance, it is located under the factory air box and has a weird heat sink thing on it) but when I switched all the stuff out of the car I left that because it was on the harness that comes out of the drivers side. So how come my car is working without that resistor if I have low impendence injectors? (by the way both cars are 88) is there a way I can test them to know for sure what impedance my injectors are (and can I do this at the ecu instead of taking my manifold off?) if my impedance is low what’s the easiest way to boost it up, what resistor do I need exactly? And which wire do I put it on? Do I put one on each injector? I also had the idea of switching out for series 5 injectors I would just have to find some injectors because I already have the plugs, but I am not sure this would work because the ecu is still a series 4 but it should work because the emanage is designed to work with high impedance injectors only.
Sorry for all the questions I just like to deal in facts and find out the right way of installing something. It makes it hard when you read so many peoples different opinions and they all have something different to say. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. (by the way when I am done I will make a highly detailed write up so those after me wont have this headache I do!
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ok i have done a little research and found some facts first our cars run the pull up type distributor and should be wired up like so, also they use a 12volt ignition system for sure. i went about figureing out the injectors the hard way first i checked the specs of fc3s injectors high impedenace injectors have 13-16 ohms of resistance so i checked the resistance of my injectors first at the ECU (just in case there was a resistor box hooked up some where) and secondly at the injector both times i got 14.6 so you cannot rely on the shape of the injector to determine impedance i would measure them myself just to be on the safe side, tonight i will be installing mine! i cant wait!
also here is some input from shep fc3 who runs the ultimate on his car and has some experience with it:
OK, I'll take a stab at this.
1. Sounds like Open is the way to go.
2. I don't recall this setting. If the ultimate manual is unclear on what to use, maybe try taking a look at the blue manual. I don't remember it being confusing.
3. Like above, the manual should be clear on this. Result to the blue manual if its not. I "think" its 12v, but not positive.
4. Yes the AFM is 5-0v, not 0-5v.
5. As for the injectors, an easy way to tell the difference is to look at the injector clips. The square clip is for low, and the oval clip is for high. You can use either with the emanage, you will just have to add a resistor. Do a search to find out what to use for each type. I run some low and some high on mine.
also here is some input from shep fc3 who runs the ultimate on his car and has some experience with it:
OK, I'll take a stab at this.
1. Sounds like Open is the way to go.
2. I don't recall this setting. If the ultimate manual is unclear on what to use, maybe try taking a look at the blue manual. I don't remember it being confusing.
3. Like above, the manual should be clear on this. Result to the blue manual if its not. I "think" its 12v, but not positive.
4. Yes the AFM is 5-0v, not 0-5v.
5. As for the injectors, an easy way to tell the difference is to look at the injector clips. The square clip is for low, and the oval clip is for high. You can use either with the emanage, you will just have to add a resistor. Do a search to find out what to use for each type. I run some low and some high on mine.
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Originally Posted by simoncbrr1
5. As for the injectors, an easy way to tell the difference is to look at the injector clips. The square clip is for low, and the oval clip is for high. You can use either with the emanage, you will just have to add a resistor. Do a search to find out what to use for each type. I run some low and some high on mine.
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that # 5 was info from shep i actually found that my injectors were square but were still high impedence thats why i reccomend testing them for peace of mind. i hooked up the ultimate last night but the car wouldnot crank i recconected the ignition wires and it ran but very rough it seems that i may have a fouled plug or something i will do more work on it tonight after work
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i got mine to work beautiful! will do a write up soon hey wankler try setting all the jumpers back to factory settings as indicated in the manual, make sure the dip switches are off and if tou have it wired right it will crank and run just like factory if this doesnt work then wire bakdk up the stock ecu and rewire the emanage but after wiring each section test the car to see if it runs like normal
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