hahahah, pat's awesome. he's my spotter/**** talker.

my setup is as follows:

Front:
low low
-6.5º camber
+5.5 caster(custom caster plates)
1/8" toe out per side

Rear:
low low
-0.8º camberz
1/8" toe in per side

delrin bushings all around, ksport gt pro coilovers, dtss elimn, shortened center camber link, custom knuckles for 60º anglez, custom bumpsteer tie rods with adjustable drop, inner steering spacers, no sway bars.

mods for 2012:

sphericals all around, roll center correction up front with adjustable correction, sway bars all around to keep the car looking cool whilst drifting(nascar style up front).

maybe lower next year?

 

thats a good question.

at one point i removed my front sway bar. i think its cause i was interfering with the wheels on the new knuckles. rear is still intact.

who runs sway bars? front/rear/both?

 

<- no sway bars.

 

i don't listen. i'll just stick to getting my posts edited because i can't seem to follow the rules.

 

and and and just to make someone happy <- thanks champ

my setup is as follows:

Front:
low low
-6.5º camber
+5.5 caster(custom caster plates)
1/8" toe out per side

Rear:
low low
-0.8º camberz
1/8" toe in per side

delrin bushings all around,
ksport gt pro coilovers,
dtss elimn,
shortened center camber link,
custom knuckles for 60º anglez,
custom bumpsteer tie rods with adjustable drop,
inner steering spacers,
no sway bars.


Mods for 2012:

sway bars
more toe out in front
lower
more rear camber like -1.2/ -1.5
stupid motor

 

what about sway bars?

my specs at last alignment:

front:
-3.5 camber
stock caster
.5 toe out
no sway bar

rear:
.5 camber
stock caster
0 toe
sway bar

 

I would run any other combination of sways other than rear and no front.

Run none, run both or run the front.

If you run a front some fab will be required so that it doesn't interfere at angle, but I'm a big fan of sways and plan to run them.

I'm positive others will tell you not to run them

 

eh. i ran a complete season with that setup. i thought for sure it would make things strange with no front and rear intact but i think the high spring rates all but negate the effects of sway bars; hence the lack of effect. for sure im throwing the rear away though when i get back there. if nothing else, its weight savings.

 

lol justin is killing it with the editing! i've been LOL'ing for 10mins. "stupid motor" haha


my setup is simple.

0* toe
stock caster
max front camber
removed sway bars. - **** those things being in the way.
Spindles
Stance Coils
SuperNOW Cutting Tie Rod Kit + D-MAX ring spacers, and washers.
Dropped shanks for tie rods to allow for ride height correction (insert witty 4x4 comment here because i was lazy for one event)

Rear:
.5 camber (need shortened individual/trailing arm adjusters for zero camber)
stock toe links - rly gay
not dtss elims - also gay
shortened camber bar/removed nuts.

my car sucks but for some reason it throwsssss dowwwn.

 

stupid motor was my comment.

Also, on the 4 reelz, I know this zero thing is the hotness right now for mad gripz and **** (tire wear) but I've never heard of anybody complain about how their car felt when it had more camber. (at least 1.5*)

My current car has a **** load of camber (~-4) but is one of the most fun cars ever. I realize it's less than ideal grip and wear but the car feels good.

Anyone else ever compare the two based on how the car drives/feels?

(i could give a **** about being "competitive" and getting more grip than everyone)

 

i have driven my car with both, I had -4something camber in the rear. felt like I had no grip. car was slow and liked to spin.
moved it to -1.25(max right now gotta do some cutting and welding) and it had tons more grip, didnt want to spin constantly and had speed = felt better

driven other cars that have had 0 camber and they felt amazing. tons more grip and tons more speed = super fun.

 

2010 my car was zeroed out in the rear and it was the ****.

more contact patch = more grip, smoke, and more tire use. **** flipping tires to get the other 50% out of them....

 

My experience with rear camber and drifting doesn't involve RX7s, but I'm sure it applies to RX7s just the same.

I have owned 2 S13s for ~4 years now. I started messing with rear camber in late '08 as a means to get more life out of my tires, nothing else. I changed the camber on the 'primary drift' car first. I probably only decreased it to ~ -2* at that time.

Immediately, I noticed that it was easier to initiate, but harder to spin compared to the car with stock arms (adjusted to minimum negative camber). With less rear camber there's more traction DURING the slide, but the break away point seems to be at a lower level of grip and much more defined. So, less work to initiate, and less work trying not to spin.

I'm glad I got to compare the cars back to back like that. The car didn't FEEL bad before, just felt MUCH better after.

 

^^^^I think this is really good and similar to how i feel. With more camber it allows for more aggressive entries and transitions but there is less grip in drift on throttle. I think there is a balance between wear and feel personally





you also run nexens.

 

no..

there is more grip on throttle and off.

 

I never said there wasn't more grip?

 

more rear camber does not mean more aggressive entries or transitions. you need grip to be aggressive. its not a matter of taste, its just geometry. sure one can get used to how the car acts with different setups but generally people want as much grip as possible, within reason.

 

Yeah, more grip while sliding. I also did 2 open track days with my normal drift setup and crappy tires I use for drifting. I feel like there's more grip for grip driving too, since grip driving puts more perpendicular G force on the car and 240s have plenty of camber gain at my ride height. But I had only autocrossed, as far as grip driving is concerned, before changed my rear camber.

Seems an FC loses camber gain as you decrease camber though. (At least, with the individual camber adjusters, it does.)

 

pat is talking the talk but not walking the walk.

comparing an s13 to an FC isn't a smart idea. the main reason being that 13's have an entirely different suspension link setup than FC's.

FC's trailing arms grip when under load (squating)
s13's have an abundance of torque. fc's do not. a stock SR has the "feeling" of more torque than my fc 1t 300whp + they light up tires for days. my car does too - but the traction feeling is way different.


pat what about nexens? they grip for me. stop talking as much as you do - and drive something....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5BkggqXp9s

 

If the best setup is the same between the two, why not compare them? Obviously the settings are achieved with different parts, but results are results.

When FC rear squats, it gains negative camber. When S13 rear squats, it gains negative camber.

 

ugh, I wrote an epic post and remembered how much I don't care.


nexens aren't grippy. That's what.

 

lol, Luv ya Pat.

Pat drives plenty Buckey.

This is the internet. We're all Hard core street thugs here :P

To keep with setup thread:
I run lowered with no ability to adjust **** on the rear.
I'm toe'd like crazy. I swear my tires point at the center of my front bumper. Camber is probably in the -3 range.
Front is in the -2 range. My car at stock ride height was positive camber so I got near zero when lowered and then maxed the ksport camber plates.

The car feels fine to me when drifting but I don't have an "ideal numbered" car to compare against. I do have serious issues with bumpsteer and manual steering though. The wheel rips out of my hand

I need to sell my S13 and stop buying guns so i have cash for suspension

 

you dont have issues with spinning with so much toe in? its been my experience that when i look like *** trying to drive and spin every lap, it was because i had more than 0* toe in. as soon as i zero it out or put some toe out, it drives like buttuh

 

^hmm could be.
I'm not very consistent so it may be contributing to my spinouts.

I really need to get that rear adjustable link.

 

i really need to pull the toe out of my fc... lol