Wow, bright red just for my convenience


Nothing about out of sig mention of what he does though

 

Blatanly circumventing the rules won't serve you well in the long run.

I haven't gotten the final word on simple URL links in signatures so i don't know if those are 100% out. i do know you can't use the sig as "ad space". Im lieu of an advertisting agreement.

 

So your saying that that cannot be done either? yes or no?

 

ninja edit.. see above.

 

Well at least theres some hope for the small budgeted people

Still though, is it ok, or not ok to mention shops providing products/services/whatever out of sig, avatar/avatar text?

 

Im not one to stir up anything and prefer to stay low key and just continue helping members with tech questions and offering lots of USED stock and performance parts for sale for the members.

I was contacted by one of the moderators and was told I could no longer post threads in the classifieds, THAT I SPONSOR. If I was posting new parts, advertising specials, group buys or 10+ items of the same kind at a time I could understand them not wanting me to post their. I have refrained from posting cars for sale in the classifieds because I associate that with me advertising a large number of the same item seeing that I sell so many 3rd gens. I did recently post one car for sale here and I gaurantee it was the best priced running car for sale in that section and a member with limited funs was able to buy a running 3rd gen. However, I think that is the only car I have listed on here in 2 yrs since I joined with SpeedForSale.com.

The moderator explained to me why he thought these "rules" were now being implemented. He believes "big sellers" like myself and others who dont need named are selling parts below fair market value(however, we sell them for fair market value and arent dreamers or uninformed like some members). Also, our threads bump other members for sale threads off the front couple of pages and make it even harder for the average member to sell parts.

In response to the above, I believe it is the exact opposite. I have been helping members put their cars back on the road since back in 02 before I ever dreamed of doing this as a business and was just another 7 owner dumping cash into my first fd. Now that people like Fritz Flynn is no longer allowed to post in the classified, it is the newer average members(not the big sellers) who will suffer because they will not know of the great source that Fritz is to this community. He has helped me on over 20 occasions. Without the guys on here who sell lots of USED parts, the average member will be forced to deal with ebay, more scams, and likely higher pricing. Once again, if we were advertising new parts in this section I could understand, but when selling used parts we are just like anyone else.

Speaking for myself here, a lot of the parts I offer for sale are off my personal fd as that project has changed directions atleast 10 times of the last 1 1/2 yrs. Half the time I lose money on the parts I sell from my personal car, the other parts are off cars I buy and resell. I dont get rich of those parts and this forum has always offered me a way to get rid of them and provide them to other members without giving my money to Ebay. I will gladly give money to this site as I have been a sponsor off and on for the last year or so and really do appreciate the site. It is one of the reasons I have kept dealing with these cars. One because of its conveinence, and also because of the amount of knowledge and great people I have met on this forum.

From day one when I started advertising on this forum it has been difficult to contact the owners, this goes for the old owners and the new. I understand the new owners have a huge investment to pay for, they are in it to make money and thats it. That is unfortunate because they dont have the community in mind, if I didnt buy and resell these cars, I would still own one and spend countless hours helping people with them and learning more about them. Concerning advertising, I sent my email on Weds morning explaining my situation. Explaining I sponsor the classifeds yet have been banned from posting there, I found that absurd but figured I would ask for an explanation and a current pricing list for advertising and what all that included. I also stated that there have been several forum members who have expressed interest in paying a fee to have seperate sub section on the forum for us "big sellers" to post our parts. Well almost 3 business days have passed and I have recieved nothing in response to my email. The "big sellers" are responsible for thousands of members being on this site and have helped even more put their cars back on the road or help diagnose technical issues.

I have no problem paying to advertise and do not expect anything for free, everyone is trying to make a living no matter who you are or what you do. I understand this completely and wouldnt expect it any other way. However, contacting us with definate information on pricing, rules, and options for us to take would be excellent. I dont expect special treatment but the fact I sponsor a section that I am not allowed to post in is just crazy. Used parts at that, not new.

Once again, not trying to whine, bitch, or sound unreasonable just wish to be contacted in a professional manor and have things explained to me in clear terms.

David

 

I'm sorry but that has NEVER been the case on this forum and is totally ridiculous. So if I have a $5 part I want to sell i have to pay you first?

 

no no, but if you have alot of the same item.. maby?

 

Pretty sad if they are not allowing well known sellers like Fritz Flynn sell due to the quantity of parts being sold. Last time i checked he was not promoting a buisness. It is a scary thought to think we have to buy from people who have only sold a few items. I like being able to buy from well known sellers. I hope they do not get run off of the boards because of all this.

 

Great point, finally someone that "gets it".

 

I have also been "black listed" apparently for posting too many FS threads in the 3rd gen section. Ever since internet brands took over this forum its been nothing but a crap shoot. All they care about is making money on other peoples hard earned work. Whatever happened to a FREE public forum. Ive tried emailing/PM'ing and I still havent seen any information on becoming a "authorized dealer." They seem to have no problem taking our money but they cant seem to forward information, nice.

 

Seems weird. You HAVE to pay in order to sell your crap. I have 4 fenders I need to seel so I can't because it's more than 2 items. I can't post them 1 by 1 because it's multiple occasions.

So what about mmy 2 sets of rims and tires?

My 4 radio surrounds?

My 8 TII calipers????

I can understand it if you're FDnewbie, or turblown but regular ppl trying to help themselves by helping others seems like a strange way to thank those who are helping the rotary community.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by rx7doctor https://www.rx7club.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
2. NO FREE ADVERTISING WILL BE ALLOWED!!! If you have a product you wish to promote to the RX-7 community, then you MUST purchase advertising on this site. This includes even if the product/service you're wanting to post is "just so you (or a friend) can help out members." You can be SURE that SOMEONE is making money, and to do that via our sites IS NEVER FREE. Sorry.

There seems to be mass confusion going on here now.
The rule stated above pertains to members or businesses that are wanting to sell a product that they might be manufacturing or offering in a large volume or selling brand new product as a distributor would. Examples of product offered would be as in the GB forums. Someone buying bulk of a product to get a discount and then selling them. Offering product that they have to order, etc......

The classified rule of someone being categorized as a dealer. 2 or more of the same product would be as I interpret it as new product, not of a used nature.

8 used TII calipers would not fall into this category. Which means the paying at this point does not apply to you.

 

Please send me your contact info, along with whom you have been trying to reach.

Thanks.

 

Perhaps it would be easier to just have a classified ad cost.

Say $5 per post as a classified ad. Payable by credit card or paypal.

Maybe that would solve the issue of the classifieds spammers, and give people that want to sell things a reasonable outlet.

What do you guys and girls think about that?

 

I've often wondered why there wasn't a small (tiny) charge for classifieds, it's not like you can advertise to a target market audience with as many viewers for such a small cost.

 

I had proposed a sub-forum for this awhile ago. I had been informed from a senior member of the ad department that right now they have some big projects going on that need to be finished up before they will be able to address a lot of this.

 

And this has all the sudden become a problem because? I don't see any reason to charge people in the classified section. If you are not advertising a company what is the big deal? IB is getting so greedy that nobody can make some money without them getting a cut? Pretty sad IMO. Especially when solutions are being offered and they are "to busy". Meanwhile veteran members are being driven off due to being strong armed.

I am curious as to how much these individuals are being charged to place more ads for exceeding what is allowed. Can complaints be sent to the email address above and if so who is the person to attn it to?

 

wow at this whole thread.

things have really changed in the time ive been involved with 7s.

id say the reason to not charge any price for a classified ad is because they draw site traffic. if i want to pay a small fee for a listing ill go to ebay. call me crazy i guess.

 

OK.. guys drop the charging for classifieds tanget... that was just something that was mentioned and not anything being thought out or considered at this time.

Relax.

 

Look mods, we are not here to criticize you all because we know you are just "following orders", so you all don't need to get defensive or explain your stance on the matter, because that has already been made clear. The reason I started this thread was to get the information out about what is going on, find out why, and who to talk to to clear it up. In fact I was hoping that said person would actually come here and discuss it in person.

Me personally, I dont sell much of anything on this forum and although I dont think it is fair at all, the sudden reinforcement of the rules will not affect me that much like it might some of the other guys. The point is you are making some of the people who are the foundation of this forum unhappy. IF we want to pay fees to sell used parts we can go to ebay and have 10,000 times the viewing audience that this forum provides.

As I have told some of the others I've spoken with, I feel that if the fee for selling on this forum (not running banners, etc., simply unlocking the right to sell freely in the classifieds) costs more than about 50 bucks per month, then it isn't worth it.

Back a couple of years ago Ryan wanted $250-400 PER MONTH for an advertising package, which consisted of a banner etc. I dont know about you guys, but to me, that's almost as much as my house payment, and I dont make much more than that in a given week so if course that is unreasonable. IF the fee is very reasonable then I would be open to paying the forum for some additional privileges.

 

This forum has become a joke.....sorry. Again, I can see charging people that are actual SHOP owners that do this kinda **** for a living, but to the regular joe its stupid.

 

There are no new orders Kevin... that is what you are missing. Instead there are now mods that are doing their volunteer job here. In fact the only thing I have seen is another long term admin asking for help in cleaning up the forum and classifieds to make sure everyone is following the same rules as we have always had.

There is not any new power that has stepped in and said, as moderators we should be making sure that people are not taking advantage of the board. Instead many of the moderators who have been asking if this person is legal to sell, or that person is legal to advertise, actually have a reference too who has paid.

So moderators are able to do their job. Again (and I don't think you are getting this, so I am repeating it here) there are no new powers saying that we must enforce the rules. There is now simply moderators that care enough to do it.

And for the idiots that claim the classified draw more members... well how do you explain then that the classified sections, have less hits than many other sections on the boards?

So sorry, that a few of you are feeling put out, as yeah in the past we did a pretty crappy job enforcing rules that we should have particularly in the Classifieds section... but nothing has changed. The rules are the same as they were before.

 

I just find it odd, and very hard to believe that for the past few years the "status quo" has not been questioned, but suddenly you mods got together and decided that the enforcement was needed immediately and pursue all the prominent individual and small business sellers that are the foundation of this forum.

Whether or not you want to admit it, such sellers ARE very important to this forum. A lot of people come here daily just to see what is being sold. When customers of mine need parts for their cars I send them to this forum to look for them. What else are people going to do...try to find them in junkyards, or deal with the waiting and games on ebay? THIS ACTION HURTS THE AVERAGE USER OF THIS FORUM just as much as the sellers you are trying to reign in.

Looking in the long term, if you run off the guys like David Jerome, Fritz Flynn, Japan2la, Indyparts, myself, who sell parts and provide services to the members of this forum, THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE WILL SUFFER.

The used parts business is not exactly a cash cow these days, it is hard enough to turn any profit at all since the market is flooded with used stuff and everyone goes with mods instead. Then you have the forum with it's hand out, along with paypal and the shipping companies. Some of the sellers may decide, screw it, it is not worth the trouble. Then what happens?

I also find it hypocritical that the forum ownership/administration/moderation has such a hard on for getting advertising revenue and shutting down classified postings, yet they are "probably too busy" to respond to inquiries. Again, quick to come on here and tell us what we are doing wrong, but not too quick to tell us what it will take to resolve it.

 

Looking in the long term, if you run off the guys like David Jerome, Fritz Flynn, Japan2la, Indyparts, myself, who sell parts and provide services to the members of this forum, THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE WILL SUFFER.


That is for certain..